Mazsport Ignition Solution!
08-06-2008, 12:30 PM
#1278
That's rediculous. 2 months hit and I'm cancelling for my money back.
08-06-2008, 01:53 PM
#1279
i think you will be proven wrong with this statement. a set of coils is being beta tested.
back to back runs with the new coils vs mazdas last version of the oem coil. with ~ 8k miles on them..
the hp difference was ~ 10 hp..
i am sure scott will put up the dyno in the near future...
beers
back to back runs with the new coils vs mazdas last version of the oem coil. with ~ 8k miles on them..
the hp difference was ~ 10 hp..
i am sure scott will put up the dyno in the near future...
beers
). If the BHR setup makes the same or even a little more power than new OEM then it is by far the best option in terms of power, price, and known reliability of the LS2 coils.
08-06-2008, 01:55 PM
#1280
just came across as rude. I have had back to back runs and have never gotten exactly the same graph. I use a dynojet here in atlanta. I do believe that a better rated coil will give you more consistant numbers but not more hp. The 'extra' hp will come from the difference in the stock vs the upgrade being able to fire more consistantly due to timing. My point is, the potential hp in stock form is x amount and when everthing is firing as it should you will get that x amount. When everything is not firing as it should you will get y amount and will be lower. I would like to see someone buy a new 8, put it on a dyno after breakin, put new coils on it, make a run, then put upgrade coils on it and make a run same day, same gas, same dyno, and see what they get. IF they get more hp, I stand corrected, if not, then there is the proof. That is the only way to see if the upgrade coil is giving hp is to test brand new for both under same conditions. No miles on either set, test right out of the box on both. I dont think anyone has done that and, I do think that the stock coils are not meant to last as well as the upgrade but $600 is a good bit to 120 for regular oem coils. Actually I am thinking of getting the upgrade but 600 is steep for me at the moment so not going to. My car is making 194 at the wheels. My car is doing just fine.
08-06-2008, 03:43 PM
#1282
I posted my negative so I think its fair to mazsport to post by positives as well. They just called me and said they mailed my ignition today. I thought the personal phone call showed that they do care about their customers. Thanks Mazsport.
Please stay tuned for my ranting posts on me not figuring out how to instal the thing now. But that will in fact be 100% my fault, and not mazsports.
Please stay tuned for my ranting posts on me not figuring out how to instal the thing now. But that will in fact be 100% my fault, and not mazsports.
08-06-2008, 07:29 PM
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I will say again. IF someone buys a set of stock coils and plugs, puts the car on a dyno and puts in the new plugs out of the box on the car, makes some runs on the dyno with fresh, new coils and plugs, then pull them off, coils and plugs, then puts on the upgrade and new plugs so we are comparing apples to apples, and gets a boost in hp, I stand corrected. A true test to see just how much 'extra' power you get by putting in the upgrade will be revealed when you go new vs new for both. I will say that the mazsport ignition, due to it being better quality from what I have read and heard, will hold up better for longer. This more applies to the ones that have MT and take their car to the track or stay in the upper rpms for a prolonged amt of time when driving. (that would be a lot of us) 600 vs 120 just not sure if that justifies the price difference is all for me. My opinion. You dont have to agree and dont have to be rude if you dont. To each their own. I just know that you cannot get more hp by simply changing your coil unless it was not working right to begin with. It may restore lost hp due to coil going bad but if your coil is still in good shape or even new, the upgrade is not going to make any more hp. Someone out there will try the new vs new and let us all know.
08-07-2008, 12:22 AM
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same car, same gas, about two hours apart..
beers
beers
just came across as rude. I have had back to back runs and have never gotten exactly the same graph. I use a dynojet here in atlanta. I do believe that a better rated coil will give you more consistant numbers but not more hp. The 'extra' hp will come from the difference in the stock vs the upgrade being able to fire more consistantly due to timing. My point is, the potential hp in stock form is x amount and when everthing is firing as it should you will get that x amount. When everything is not firing as it should you will get y amount and will be lower. I would like to see someone buy a new 8, put it on a dyno after breakin, put new coils on it, make a run, then put upgrade coils on it and make a run same day, same gas, same dyno, and see what they get. IF they get more hp, I stand corrected, if not, then there is the proof. That is the only way to see if the upgrade coil is giving hp is to test brand new for both under same conditions. No miles on either set, test right out of the box on both. I dont think anyone has done that and, I do think that the stock coils are not meant to last as well as the upgrade but $600 is a good bit to 120 for regular oem coils. Actually I am thinking of getting the upgrade but 600 is steep for me at the moment so not going to. My car is making 194 at the wheels. My car is doing just fine.
08-07-2008, 12:23 AM
#1286
kenny,
read the post again.. they are not the same coils as yours..
beers
read the post again.. they are not the same coils as yours..
beers
I have dyno tested this coil setup and my car produced the MOST power with new stock coils. I will be trying the Okada Projects and the BHR setup soon(If ray ever finishes it ). If the BHR setup makes the same or even a little more power than new OEM then it is by far the best option in terms of power, price, and known reliability of the LS2 coils.
). If the BHR setup makes the same or even a little more power than new OEM then it is by far the best option in terms of power, price, and known reliability of the LS2 coils.
08-07-2008, 12:27 AM
#1287
stock oem coils new design with racing beat wires. plugs and coils @ 8k miles..
before you poop all over this, how about you show something other than just you idea it does not change..
or you could send me a new set of coils wires and plugs and i will see if we can do it again!
beers
before you poop all over this, how about you show something other than just you idea it does not change..
or you could send me a new set of coils wires and plugs and i will see if we can do it again!
beers
I will say again. IF someone buys a set of stock coils and plugs, puts the car on a dyno and puts in the new plugs out of the box on the car, makes some runs on the dyno with fresh, new coils and plugs, then pull them off, coils and plugs, then puts on the upgrade and new plugs so we are comparing apples to apples, and gets a boost in hp, I stand corrected. A true test to see just how much 'extra' power you get by putting in the upgrade will be revealed when you go new vs new for both. I will say that the mazsport ignition, due to it being better quality from what I have read and heard, will hold up better for longer. This more applies to the ones that have MT and take their car to the track or stay in the upper rpms for a prolonged amt of time when driving. (that would be a lot of us) 600 vs 120 just not sure if that justifies the price difference is all for me. My opinion. You dont have to agree and dont have to be rude if you dont. To each their own. I just know that you cannot get more hp by simply changing your coil unless it was not working right to begin with. It may restore lost hp due to coil going bad but if your coil is still in good shape or even new, the upgrade is not going to make any more hp. Someone out there will try the new vs new and let us all know.
08-07-2008, 01:28 PM
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^The new ignition coilds sold at finishlineperformance.com.........are they new designs? I'm thinking about buying a set of 4 from them...instead of going thru a dealer..
08-07-2008, 04:23 PM
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^O..I knew what you meant....I just copied and pasted your word cuz I was lazy....haha..
So are they more reliable than the old ones?...
How come it's 29 sumthin at finishlineperformance and 33 sumthin at Mazsport.com? Why the 5 dollar difference? That's about 20 dollar saving on a set of 4. Maybe coils at Mazsport are more genuin? lol Any thought?
So are they more reliable than the old ones?...
How come it's 29 sumthin at finishlineperformance and 33 sumthin at Mazsport.com? Why the 5 dollar difference? That's about 20 dollar saving on a set of 4. Maybe coils at Mazsport are more genuin? lol Any thought?
08-07-2008, 07:25 PM
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stock oem coils new design with racing beat wires. plugs and coils @ 8k miles..
before you poop all over this, how about you show something other than just you idea it does not change..
or you could send me a new set of coils wires and plugs and i will see if we can do it again!
beers
before you poop all over this, how about you show something other than just you idea it does not change..
or you could send me a new set of coils wires and plugs and i will see if we can do it again!
beers
08-07-2008, 07:33 PM
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Its funny that everyone keeps saying they dont see power from the coilpacks when it was clearly documented on my car that we saw 10 whp... the runs were done back to back with new oem coils vs the mazsport ignition solution... are you telling me dyno charts lie?
08-07-2008, 07:36 PM
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^^ what were your numbers with the OEM coils??
power is made from combustion of fuel. unless the coils added more A/F mixture, your motor didnt make any more power than it SHOULD have been already making. if you got better numbers its because your OEM coils were defective, in whatever small amount....
power is made from combustion of fuel. unless the coils added more A/F mixture, your motor didnt make any more power than it SHOULD have been already making. if you got better numbers its because your OEM coils were defective, in whatever small amount....
08-07-2008, 09:33 PM
#1295
Well, couldn't you argue that replacing a "functioning as intended" stock ignition with a setup that provides a longer duration, stronger, wider spread spark could lead to a flame front that begins life a few steps more developed than previously? Then, maybe it's the same as advancing your timing by some small fraction of a degree. That's really the only analogue dimension of an otherwise digital question: did the spark ignite the mixture or not.
08-07-2008, 09:35 PM
#1296
Power!!
Right. People are making the huge sweeping assumption that the OEM coils are creating complete combustion. Which they are not. Especially once they get hot and spend a lot of time at the higher rpm.
Scott indicated that they saw a shift in the long term fuel trims after his ignition system was installed which means...the amount of fuel and air combusted (is that a word?) was changed from OEM.
Scott indicated that they saw a shift in the long term fuel trims after his ignition system was installed which means...the amount of fuel and air combusted (is that a word?) was changed from OEM.
08-07-2008, 09:40 PM
#1297
Taking it a step further, more efficient coils might draw less on the alternator and create less drag on the engine. And a flamefront that begins life larger and better developed might have a more complete burn in the time alloted for it's cycle. But I guess that's all speculation for you N/A guys. I need to upgrade my coils because the stock configuration cannot reliably ignite the rich/dense mixture I'm trying to jam in the engine.
08-07-2008, 10:16 PM
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So you mean to tell me that you bought your car and before you changed out your ignition, you put brand new oem coils and plugs, made a few dyno runs, changed the coils to the upgrade and changed the plugs, then made another few runs and got 10 more hp? I dont think you ran on brand new, out of the box, oem coils and plugs, then changed everything out and did it again with brand new, out of the box, ignition upgrade and made hp. You have to compare new to new, same gas, same day. When someone does this, and gets more hp,(maybe I can afford to do it soon) I will apologize and stand corrected that you can make more hp from just putting in a different spark source.
08-07-2008, 10:24 PM
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How about someone at Mazsport vid an 8 on a dyno that clealy shows them putting brand new oem coils and changing the plugs and making a run with fresh, new coils and plugs, then changing them out and putting the upgraded coils on, changing the plugs again, then making a run with the upgrade and new plugs and seeing what the hp difference is, if any. I must stress to make this apples to apples, you must put new of both for each run, same day, same gas, same everything. If they do that and prove that you gain 10 hp, I will put my order in and it would be worth the 600 cause any other upgrade/price is not as good as that. I have changed my plugs before and gained 5 hp just doing that, why, cause they were not firing right and needed to be changed.