chrism

back to the situation at hand......wtf is going on with this damn fuel pump?

ShellDude

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Hi Elara,

I apologize if my comments came across as offensive but that's not my intent. We're having a civilized, yet critical, discussion is all... really, there's nothing more here than folks talking about a serious issue and covering all options.

ShellDude

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So much for that 20b mod I had on my list... damn, gotta go scratch it off... ok, so I'm back to the MM upgraded turbo

Jedi54

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^^ ship your car to Puerto Rico, those boys will have you sporting a 20b in NO time!


P.S. what's the deal with the fuel pump? Is it safe to assume that since you and Scott settled something affairs in court that this is now a dead issue?

chrism

what they settled had nothing to do with the pump as mysql mentioned before

mysql

^ Correct.

Now.. I'm just trying to figure out which week Scott was talking about:

https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...&postcount=262

Jedi54

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don't hold your breath

shinka213

what i see here is a pattern that has been developing for a long time now...and some people just arent seeing it...

i have no idea how people like this stay in business...

i dont really care how much knowledge the individual has about rotaries or what they have done to improve them...

this is just down right poor customer service and bad business practices IMO

chrism

because he lied, most likely already re-sold it to some sucker, and doesnt care

shinka213

i heard he sold a lot of stuff...that didnt belong to him

max5roadster

yeah, i saw those threads too.... sad..

MAZexPORT
"Tuning: The endless search of the perfect explotation..."

devildog1679

My brother in NY baught an 8, and was going to buy the mazsport turbo. Told him nto to bother due to the ongoing issues. That's one less customer for them.

dannobre

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Now I'm sure that is not the whole story on that........They must have had an agreement of some sort for that to happen

SilentSpring

Shinka I know what you mean....

ALL the threads with a negative reference to Mazsport seem to go the same way:

1. Customer starts thread stating whats been going on.
2. Members get involved and start to show a distaste for Mazsport.
3. scott posts saying everything is going good and all is well.
4. More time transpires with no word.
5. In this time, the appeasment of members fades and more negative comments appear.
6. scott posts again saying everything is going good and all is well.
7. More time transpires with no word.

Now depending on the severity of the negative comments 2-7 can be repeated for quite a while. 2-7 will stop their cycle when scott either:

a. Asks the complaining member to delete the thread since they are working it out.
b. Goes up the food chain until someone closes the thread.

I do understand there are two sides to every story. When only one side is ever told that excuse only lasts so long.

You can play the I'm working on it, we are talking about it, and I am limited in my responses due to legal action, cards for only so long.

The people want answers, and answers are what they should receive. If not, the people are not going to be happy and your business, no matter where it comes from, will hurt.

olddragger

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Am I missing something here---all this because of a custom fuel pump set up? And a custom 20B build?
What happened to "Great work Scott" when he was the 1St to offer us a stand alone pcm we were begging for?
He gave us a solid FIX for the clutch pedal problem!
He gave use custom turbo builts than even Mazda Maniac approved of(Sorry MM no intent there!)
he gave us a GREAT midpipe
He has given us a 5 speed trans conversion that is absolutely a undiscussed and great option that can cut a full sec off your 1/4 mile times.
he was the 1st to give us an upgraded coil pack--which we also were begging for.
This is a one man show/small business--trying to survive.
Problems--yea everyone has those--including wall street and the catholic church to name a couple.
But to let a couple probs taint the reputation and image of this man is totally unfair.
And be careful--this sounds like it is starting to affect hs business which makes the option of being sued for slander real--since people here seem to favor lawsuits and stuff. Jesus!
olddragger

mysql

Defamation is defined as “communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation.” There are then two sub-categories of defamation — slander and libel. Slander is spoken defamation and libel is written defamation.

Clearly slander would be impossible on a forum.

It is important not to present FALSE statements as facts. However if it's true, there is no issue with presenting it.

To prove that libel, one must first prove that the statements are false. Establishing that a statement is accurate is a complete defense to a slander/liable suit. It is also a complete defense if the statement made was asserted as an “opinion” (i.e. saying “I think” versus saying “He is”).

I am not a lawyer, I just have a the internets.


It's true not everyone has had problems, however if you had an ongoing issue that you had been silently dealing with for 1-2 years, no one should be questioning YOU for not waiting long enough to try to work it out with the vendor. Catch my drift?

mysql

I want to reiterate something in case it needs to be said - I have no ill will towards Scott. I would like for the fuel pump issue to be resolved, then I will have no complaints.

I'm sure Stick and the others feel the same. They have complaints, they just want a solution. No one is sitting around brooding over Scott thinking up ways to lose money at his shop so they can complain about it on a forum 2 years down the road.

Just fix it.



btw, dragger, in my situation, I'd like for you to read over this entire thread, then tell me how you'd go about resolving the issue differently from me.

olddragger

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mysgl--thanks for your last post.
its good to hear that all you want is it to be fixed and personally i would want the same.
however i would be very careful about posting problems with a vendor on a public thread that opens up discussions which can insinuate that the vendor is "ripping people off"(not saying you said that) whether or not that was the intent of the posting.
I dont believe that was your intent but others will take stuff and just run with it. Then it can turn into something that doesnt even resemble the original subject.
In summary--you had a problem with a custom fuel pump built--now postings are showing up where people are not even considering buying a turbo set up from Scott. I dont think that was your intent in sharing your situation.
Dude--i have lived many years and seen a lot of really good stuff, and a lot of stuff so bad, i dont even talk about it. Let me share something with you. It's called respect. Whether he is right or wrong, Scott deserves respect, like everyone else, me and you included. To post a problem on a public forum is not respect--it is bitching to everyone how bad the other dude is. People on the internet cant help you solve this problem. The best they can do is to be a support group of sorts and the ones supporting may have their own agenda--unk to you.
If I had paid the amount of money you have paid for this item and i had used the item as it was intended and had insured it was installed correctly and had no ownership into it's not functioning correctly--yea i would want some answers too.
Sounds like it has been going on for a long time now, and you still havent obtained satisfaction. ok what now? What do you do.
Is it time to "cut bait" and learn from this experience?
DO you have additional honorable means to seek resolution?
Is it worth it time wise and reputation wise to pursue.
You HAVE to ask yourself "is this gotten to a revenge thing" I just had to mention that--i dont think that is happening.
if I was in this situation this is want I would do:
1- call Scott and tell him "Its time to make peace on this thing" and ask him what can I do to help get there. What does he think we need to do?
2- I would apologize for any thing I had done that did not come across in a way that it was intended and if what I had said had influenced others in the wrong way(ie--Scott is a crook). I cant be responsible for others actions but I do realize I can make an impression on others thoughts.
bottom line-- it's only money. And if you really, really think about it--- how important is this fuel pump? Look at what is happening here.
thanks for responding--i have said my peace and I hope things can get worked out for you. Life is too short.
Olddragger

ShellDude

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So then is this forum a "good ol' boys club" or is it an open, and I use that world loosely, community?

By reading your comments ragger I can't help but think that there's some rite of passage you're alluding to. Afterall, you've been around since dirt so we have to cut you some slack. Nevermind the fact that it was you that fed Eve the apple.

My comments are not directed specifically at you. I'm merely framing them so that there's context.

There's no way under the sun that I would give Mazsport a dime of my money. I could care less what their past contributions are. I can only see what they're doing now and it smells REALLY bad.

If anyone should be commended it's the ones speaking out, making the rest of us aware of the problem.

If you and Mazsport are so tight why don't you give them a call and straighten all of this out for us? Afterall, they've done so much for us, it shouldn't be that hard to do, right?

olddragger

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I am not asking any one for slack--never have, and just because i have been around longer than dirt doesnt mean I deserve anything. I deserve nothing. If anyone gives me anything I appreciate it.
Respect doesnt mean rite of passage. That signify s status and status has nothing to do with respect.
By all means do business with the vendors you choose, I hope all will do that.
Perhaps i am wrong, i have been wrong before, but I think I sense sarcasm in your post. If so --then I pay no attention to those things said in anger. I have found the things I have done out of anger usually ended up with me being ashamed.
For a man that has accomplished a lot of good things in the past and to be once so highly regarded , to change to what is being presented here--something has happened--somethings wrong, if it is indeed true. AND if that has happened--to keep hitting a man while he is down is just wrong. Let it go, what needed to be said has been said many times.
If the pump came up defective now or found to be non defective, or even if Scott gave a full refund now--it would change nothing.
It is, what it is and it is time to let it go.
No more posts on this thread for me
Olddragger

blackenedwings

As far as affecting his business, I can certainly agree with that. The problem is that nobody on here knows the full story and when you are shopping for thousands of dollars of car parts the last thing you want to do is risk a vendor that might not give you what you pay for. I'm not saying Scott is a bad guy or won't give you what you pay for, but there are certainly enough people reporting that to be the case that I personally won't risk my money buying any parts from him. Where there is smoke there is often fire, and Scott's company has a towering wall of smoke surrounding it.

ShellDude

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Admitting that you may be wrong is the first step towards recovery. I commend you for your openness.

If Mazsport took care of the fuel pump and the $38,000 fiasco it would go a long way in making them an approachable vendor in my eyes. To be frank, that's the only way I'll ever consider them an asset to our community.

olddragger

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I wasnt going to post again but Shell are you saying I am in recovery?
OD

stickmantijuana

what's bugging me is how some people just look at the current situation and try to point fingers on how they'd approach it differently.

we've tried. we've exhausted our options. we've spent countless days and nights (literally) waiting for scott's promised reply that never came. that's just how scott operates at least in most of our eyes.

if you're one of the lucky few that got their product in time (or you just didn't mind waiting), while you should feel free to express your approval for mazsport, you shouldn't use your limited experience as a basis to discredit others' complaints.

i have nothing against anyone posting here. in fact, most of you have been my friends offering help and consolation via pm and phone. i just hope people will be fair before pointing fingers at how someone should've reacted.

ShellDude

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In a way, yes. Your message to us has lightened and you even suggested that there may actually be a problem so in that regard definitely, you're well on your way to recovery.

Lets be certain we're on the same page. Sarcasm and anger are two vastly different things. Just because one is sarcastic that doesn't mean they're mad. They're probably just tired of seeing the same old thing.