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Old Aug 22, 2013 | 07:31 PM
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Cheers RIWWP. Ive just had a look into the trims because i didnt realise that there was a "sport", "touring" or "GT" trim difference. Is that possibly only in America, here in NZ where we have many Japanese imports I could really only tell if it was a "type s" or not.
More importantly, Is the GT trim (which this seams to be as you said) slower than a sport, and does it still have a LSD?
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Yeah, there are other names and trim details for other countries. The switches rearward of the shifter are the seat heater switches, only in the US GT trims.

In the US, the presence of a manual and/or gt trim meant sport suspension which meant lsd, carbon fibre driveshaft, larger brakes, and 18" wheels. You have the interior of the GT trim but the 16" wheels. 16" wheels means smaller brakes and probably no lsd, no carbon fibre driveshaft, etc...

In the UK, there was no automatics, which may be true there too. If so, the lower performance would be a 5-speed manual and a 4-port engine, and probably no Sport Suspension package.

If you can confirm the gear count and get a good look at the top of the engine with that cover off, you can confirm my suspicion.

The upper intake manifold (uim) is the black plastic curved piece on top. A 6-port engine has 2 more runners than 4-port, sitting below and flanking the main center runners present in both.

Mostly theory on my guess, but hopefully that is enough information to help you figure it out.
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Old Aug 22, 2013 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by hilltopcresent
Cheers RIWWP. Ive just had a look into the trims because i didnt realise that there was a "sport", "touring" or "GT" trim difference. Is that possibly only in America, here in NZ where we have many Japanese imports I could really only tell if it was a "type s" or not.
More importantly, Is the GT trim (which this seams to be as you said) slower than a sport, and does it still have a LSD?
Thanks again
Im in chch and own a type s so I can tell you.

If its got 16s, its a standard model with a 4port. Jdm models come in auto and 5speed for the 4port and 6speed for the 6port. Them 16s wont fit over a type s' brakes.

Type s' have sport suspension and lsd.

Doesnt matter what your interior is. I have cloth seats but then I have the gps system (which is useless because it thinks im on tokyo (being japanese))

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Old Aug 22, 2013 | 07:42 PM
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I spent a while trying to figure out and i think this is it. the red circles show the extra intake runners?? Can you tell this by looking under the hood easily? Are there 2 more exhaust pipes due to the extra port and where are these?
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https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1377218361
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Old Aug 22, 2013 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by hilltopcresent
I spent a while trying to figure out and i think this is it. the red circles show the extra intake runners?? Can you tell this by looking under the hood easily? Are there 2 more exhaust pipes due to the extra port and where are these?
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https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1377218361
If it's on 16s it will have a 4port. I just told you

4ports have the same exhaust manifold
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Old Aug 22, 2013 | 07:53 PM
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Yea sorry, i posted that before seeing what you said. But still curious if the pictures i posted are the difference between the engines.
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Old Aug 22, 2013 | 07:56 PM
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Thanks for all the help guys. still might go have a look at it anyway, but final question since this is looking like the low power, can you actually feel much of a difference in power between the 4 port and 6 port?
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Old Aug 22, 2013 | 07:58 PM
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Yes, the 6-port pic circles the 2 runners I'm talking about. It's harder to see the lower intake manifold runners with the engine in, but follow them up to the uim, and you can see that from the engine bay fine.


Thanks slidin8.



Yes hilltop. It similar torque, so the 'push' is the same, but you can hold a lower gear for longer and/or be 1 gear lower at a given speed at the top of the rpm range, which will have a profound impact on acceleration. Very noticeable all put together. You want the better suspension anyway.

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Old Aug 22, 2013 | 07:58 PM
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Thanks for all the help guys. still might go have a look at it anyway, but final question since this is looking like the low power, can you actually feel much of a difference in power between the 4 port and 6 port?
Big difference in terms of power braking and handling in my opinion. Dont bother. Get a 6port type s
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Old Aug 22, 2013 | 08:02 PM
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Sweet, thanks for all the help, guess ill keep looking.
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Old Aug 22, 2013 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RIWWP
Yes, the 6-port pic circles the 2 runners I'm talking about. It's harder to see the lower intake manifold runners with the engine in, but follow them up to the uim, and you can see that from the engine bay fine.

Thanks slidin8.

Yes hilltop. It similar torque, so the 'push' is the same, but you can hold a lower gear for longer and/or be 1 gear lower at a given speed at the top of the rpm range, which will have a profound impact on acceleration. Very noticeable all put together. You want the better suspension anyway.
No probs mate. As most members here dont have any experience with jdm models im more than happy to help out since I own one. I often see people trying to pass cars off (nissans in particular) by misleading their potential buyers with false info regarding its engine
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Old Aug 22, 2013 | 10:31 PM
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Exactly, we get more JDMs here than anything else. I think my first Japanese import car was back in 1985
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Old Aug 22, 2013 | 11:15 PM
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So today this guy wanted to look at my car so I was like go ahead... And what do you know he starts the car and turns it off right away. So it flooded. I pull started it drove around fine, got it on the freeway and gave it a good rev( up to 80mph, after the engine was warm of course) pull into my apartments and it dies on me when im going 20mph i get it going by releasing the clutch somehow parked and this happened.... Any tips? Just cleaned the ESS yesterday and the MAF sensor.

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Old Aug 23, 2013 | 11:33 AM
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Could be a number of things. I assume the rpm increases (other than the big one) was not your doing?

The fact that it flooded at all means something is failing. One or more of: ignition, compression, starter, or battery. What are the age in miles and time on those? Compression or ignition failure could be helping to drive that problem you recorded.

For dying at idle, it could also additionally be an O2 sensor problem, ess was cleaned but not reset, coolant leak into the engine, etc...
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Old Aug 23, 2013 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RIWWP
Could be a number of things. I assume the rpm increases (other than the big one) was not your doing?

The fact that it flooded at all means something is failing. One or more of: ignition, compression, starter, or battery. What are the age in miles and time on those? Compression or ignition failure could be helping to drive that problem you recorded.

For dying at idle, it could also additionally be an O2 sensor problem, ess was cleaned but not reset, coolant leak into the engine, etc...
No i was holding the rpms so the car wouldn't die, as it did in the end. The battery is about 4 months old, idk about the starter or ignition, i don't really think compression is an issue because my hp seems to be in the allowed range, my friend on a turboed VW passat around 175-180whp, raced me to 80 and i beat him by a little. I also reset the ESS by the 20 break stomp, if its an O2 sensor shouldn't the engine light be on? If coolant is leaking into the engine, I'd be loosing coolant from the resovior, but the level of coolant seems the same. Any more thoughts?
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Old Aug 23, 2013 | 02:00 PM
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Compression, maybe a vacuum leak.
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Old Aug 23, 2013 | 03:59 PM
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He stated it flooded, I can't believe no one mentions fouled plugs.... That's probably how it flooded to begin with.

No one here owned a Rx7? It happens. Pull the plugs and check them out, at least it's free to do.
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Old Aug 24, 2013 | 12:38 PM
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Time for me to slip in here. Does anyone know if there's a difference in wheel alignment specs for the 05/06 shinka vs non shinka models?
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Old Aug 24, 2013 | 01:04 PM
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If you want there to be. They are adjustable. Oem specs are the same
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Old Aug 24, 2013 | 05:52 PM
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sorry double post

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Old Aug 24, 2013 | 05:58 PM
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Hi, me again,

So I went to view this rx8 Mazda RX8 2004 | Trade Me even though i thought it wasnt gonna be a 6 speed.
Thought i might as well seeing as though im looking into rx8s, and looking under the hood, turns out it did have a 6 port engine (with the 2 extra intake runners flanking the main collumn) and was 6 speed. But it has 16 inch wheels... wtf? I couldnt jack it to check if it did have an LSD as it was on a hill and didnt have time, so im not sure about that.
The VIN (metal info plate in the engine bay) said made in japan on it.

Any ideas?
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Old Aug 24, 2013 | 06:04 PM
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hey, me again,

went to have a look at this Mazda RX8 2004 | Trade Me anyway, thinking if im looking at buying rx8s i should test drive regardless of it being a 4 port or 6 port. And looking under the hood, turns out it was a 6 port, 6 speed.... so... wtf, why did it have the 16 inch wheels? i couldnt jack it to check if it has an LSD because it was on a hill.

and in the AA report he got on it, it said that the air filters under bonnet ducting is insecure... easy fix?
Nice looking car . The 16" wheels make me very suspect that this is a real 6 port 6 spd.
It could be a 5 spd manual 4 port with a 6 spd gear
**** ????
Check it does actually have 6 spds and the extra runners on the intake before you commit to it .
Wouldn't be concerned about a minor issue like the intake . Compression test would be good insurance !!!!
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Old Aug 24, 2013 | 06:07 PM
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Did the tacho go up to 10krpm?

Im very suspect also as I have told him via pm

I would be walking away as it seems fishy to me
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Old Aug 24, 2013 | 06:14 PM
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another check is to see if it comes with 'dynamic stability control' . There should be a DSC button to right of steering wheel beside light adjuster
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Old Aug 24, 2013 | 06:31 PM
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Nice looking car . The 16" wheels make me very suspect that this is a real 6 port 6 spd.
It could be a 5 spd manual 4 port with a 6 spd gear
**** ????
Check it does actually have 6 spds and the extra runners on the intake before you commit to it .
Wouldn't be concerned about a minor issue like the intake . Compression test would be good insurance !!!!
yea i test drove it (first rx8 ive driven, felt really nice) and i went through all 6 gears. definitely had them. and i looked at the engine and yea it did have the extra runners. after what ive read here about the 6 speeds not having the 16 inch wheels i was a bit confused seeing that it did have the 6 speed. on carjam it says recently imported from singapore. but vin plate does say made in japan
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Old Aug 24, 2013 | 06:33 PM
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Did the tacho go up to 10krpm?

Im very suspect also as I have told him via pm

I would be walking away as it seems fishy to me
yea the tacho did go to 10. made sure i looked at that also having done my research. with the red coming in kinda at 8.5k and going to 10k.
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