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Mike - How much are you spending on a new stock front bumper?
the MS front facia is $1,075 through mazdaspeed motorsports development. That is painted of course. You just have to race twice, autox included, per year to qualify. They have the best prices on mazda or ms stuff around.
the MS front facia is $1,075 through mazdaspeed motorsports development. That is painted of course. You just have to race twice, autox included, per year to qualify. They have the best prices on mazda or ms stuff around.
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Mike - How much are you spending on a new stock front bumper?
the MS front facia is $1,075 through mazdaspeed motorsports development. That is painted of course. You just have to race twice, autox included, per year to qualify. They have the best prices on mazda or ms stuff around.
the MS front facia is $1,075 through mazdaspeed motorsports development. That is painted of course. You just have to race twice, autox included, per year to qualify. They have the best prices on mazda or ms stuff around.
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Good to hear your eating well chico. Sounds like you're having a good tim eup there. Can't wait to get together again and toos back some beers.
Thanks for the advice on the bumper and pointing out the deals. I am still trying to decide. This is a tough decision.
I DO really like this front end. Does anyone know what this is?
Thanks for the advice on the bumper and pointing out the deals. I am still trying to decide. This is a tough decision.
I DO really like this front end. Does anyone know what this is?
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I'm not sure which one that is, but I like this one: http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/p...oducts_id/2665
Edit: More options: http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/i...Path/4217_4218
Edit 2: Found it!: http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/p...oducts_id/6017
Edit: More options: http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/i...Path/4217_4218
Edit 2: Found it!: http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/p...oducts_id/6017
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WONDERFUL disclaimer. Essentially this means that there are NO warrantees on their products. If it disintegrates 5 minutes after you put it on you're f-ed.
Mazda Competition and stock parts are sold "as is" and without warranty of any kind. All implied warranties, including all warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose, are hereby disclaimed. Purchaser acknowledges that no representations have been made to him regarding these parts, including but not limited to any representations as to their quality or performance, and that he (or she) shall be responsible for and bear all costs of repair or replacement of any defect in or failure of these parts. Purchaser acknowledges that installation of these parts may cause his (or her) vehicle be unable to be lawfully used on public highways, and assumes all risks and expenses thereof.
Mazda Competition and stock parts are sold "as is" and without warranty of any kind. All implied warranties, including all warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose, are hereby disclaimed. Purchaser acknowledges that no representations have been made to him regarding these parts, including but not limited to any representations as to their quality or performance, and that he (or she) shall be responsible for and bear all costs of repair or replacement of any defect in or failure of these parts. Purchaser acknowledges that installation of these parts may cause his (or her) vehicle be unable to be lawfully used on public highways, and assumes all risks and expenses thereof.
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WONDERFUL disclaimer. Essentially this means that there are NO warrantees on their products. If it disintegrates 5 minutes after you put it on you're f-ed.
Mazda Competition and stock parts are sold "as is" and without warranty of any kind. All implied warranties, including all warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose, are hereby disclaimed. Purchaser acknowledges that no representations have been made to him regarding these parts, including but not limited to any representations as to their quality or performance, and that he (or she) shall be responsible for and bear all costs of repair or replacement of any defect in or failure of these parts. Purchaser acknowledges that installation of these parts may cause his (or her) vehicle be unable to be lawfully used on public highways, and assumes all risks and expenses thereof.
Mazda Competition and stock parts are sold "as is" and without warranty of any kind. All implied warranties, including all warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose, are hereby disclaimed. Purchaser acknowledges that no representations have been made to him regarding these parts, including but not limited to any representations as to their quality or performance, and that he (or she) shall be responsible for and bear all costs of repair or replacement of any defect in or failure of these parts. Purchaser acknowledges that installation of these parts may cause his (or her) vehicle be unable to be lawfully used on public highways, and assumes all risks and expenses thereof.
I'm not sure a disclaimer like this would stand in court. These are same parts that do carry warrantees when purchased through other channels. Of course, you would know better than me Mike. This site provides parts for mazda race cars, so I'm assuming they want no part of a liability suit involving race car crashes. This wouldn't save them if they manufactured something faulty and it caused damage.
Maybe they're 30% off b/c they use 30% less raw materials! The front facia for $1075 is actually made of balsa wood. Shhhhh
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This protects them from liability in contract. This basically says you buy the product and take it as you get it. Now I'm sure that they would try to fix a problem because that is just good business, but they wouldn't have too. This disclaimer is a pretty standard disclaimer of all warrantees. It hits all of the UCC implied warrantees and court created warrantees of merchantability. You could argue public policy and unconscionability and other fact based arguments, but this is pretty clear boilerplate language.
The language about the representations from sales people is pretty standard contracts as well. Since there is no written contract detailing the performance and other benchmarks for successful completion of the contract there the courts may be justified in resorting to "parol evidence" to decide what was expected from the contract. (parol evidence is what was discussed in the construction of contracts such as salesperson representations.) They obviously don't want to be held to what their salespeople say on phonecalls, so they put this language in there to avoid that. Their salespeople could essentially say whatever they want and not be held to it. Of course, every case is fact specific and there are ALWAYS exceptions, but generally they are covering their asses.
They would not be safe from an action based in negligence, ie their product causing an accident. That is a whole other section of law.
What I was saying was that if the part broke or fell apart, you have little to no recourse in contract (the law is always fact specific) and you would have a hell of a time getting past summary judgment in favor of the company. If the part broke and caused you to crash you could still sue in negligence.
I feel like I'm back in law school taking an exam.
The language about the representations from sales people is pretty standard contracts as well. Since there is no written contract detailing the performance and other benchmarks for successful completion of the contract there the courts may be justified in resorting to "parol evidence" to decide what was expected from the contract. (parol evidence is what was discussed in the construction of contracts such as salesperson representations.) They obviously don't want to be held to what their salespeople say on phonecalls, so they put this language in there to avoid that. Their salespeople could essentially say whatever they want and not be held to it. Of course, every case is fact specific and there are ALWAYS exceptions, but generally they are covering their asses.
They would not be safe from an action based in negligence, ie their product causing an accident. That is a whole other section of law.
What I was saying was that if the part broke or fell apart, you have little to no recourse in contract (the law is always fact specific) and you would have a hell of a time getting past summary judgment in favor of the company. If the part broke and caused you to crash you could still sue in negligence.
I feel like I'm back in law school taking an exam.
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This protects them from liability in contract. This basically says you buy the product and take it as you get it. Now I'm sure that they would try to fix a problem because that is just good business, but they wouldn't have too. This disclaimer is a pretty standard disclaimer of all warrantees. It hits all of the UCC implied warrantees and court created warrantees of merchantability. You could argue public policy and unconscionability and other fact based arguments, but this is pretty clear boilerplate language.
The language about the representations from sales people is pretty standard contracts as well. Since there is no written contract detailing the performance and other benchmarks for successful completion of the contract there the courts may be justified in resorting to "parol evidence" to decide what was expected from the contract. (parol evidence is what was discussed in the construction of contracts such as salesperson representations.) They obviously don't want to be held to what their salespeople say on phonecalls, so they put this language in there to avoid that. Their salespeople could essentially say whatever they want and not be held to it. Of course, every case is fact specific and there are ALWAYS exceptions, but generally they are covering their asses.
They would not be safe from an action based in negligence, ie their product causing an accident. That is a whole other section of law.
What I was saying was that if the part broke or fell apart, you have little to no recourse in contract (the law is always fact specific) and you would have a hell of a time getting past summary judgment in favor of the company. If the part broke and caused you to crash you could still sue in negligence.
I feel like I'm back in law school taking an exam.
The language about the representations from sales people is pretty standard contracts as well. Since there is no written contract detailing the performance and other benchmarks for successful completion of the contract there the courts may be justified in resorting to "parol evidence" to decide what was expected from the contract. (parol evidence is what was discussed in the construction of contracts such as salesperson representations.) They obviously don't want to be held to what their salespeople say on phonecalls, so they put this language in there to avoid that. Their salespeople could essentially say whatever they want and not be held to it. Of course, every case is fact specific and there are ALWAYS exceptions, but generally they are covering their asses.
They would not be safe from an action based in negligence, ie their product causing an accident. That is a whole other section of law.
What I was saying was that if the part broke or fell apart, you have little to no recourse in contract (the law is always fact specific) and you would have a hell of a time getting past summary judgment in favor of the company. If the part broke and caused you to crash you could still sue in negligence.
I feel like I'm back in law school taking an exam.
How about a little poetry?:
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Interpretation for those not symbol-fluent:
Waka waka bang splat tick tick hash,
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Bang splat equal at dollar under-score,
Percent splat waka waka tilde number four,
Ampersand bracket bracket dot dot slash,
Vertical-bar curly-bracket comma comma CRASH.
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^ " ` $ $ -
! * = @ $ _
% * < > ~ # 4
& [ ] . . /
| { , , SYSTEM HALTED
Interpretation for those not symbol-fluent:
Waka waka bang splat tick tick hash,
Caret quote back-tick dollar dollar dash,
Bang splat equal at dollar under-score,
Percent splat waka waka tilde number four,
Ampersand bracket bracket dot dot slash,
Vertical-bar curly-bracket comma comma CRASH.
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That one is close, but not it Bill. It is a little different. The INGS has a little more molding and stuff. Thanks for checking. It's going to drive me crazy untill I know what it is. I think I'll just have Chico ask the guy or see if he's on the forum.
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Dunno, I think a big opening like that without anything to put in there...
I personally like something a bit more subtle, but it really all depends on what kind of look you're going for. All I know is once you start modifying the looks of a car you can't stop or you might get mistaken for rice. I mean, if you change the front bumper without changing side skirts (or possibly even the rear), it'll look like "oh, he couldn't afford the whole kit?" Then you'll want to get a set of rims to fit your new look. After that you'll want to drop the car a bit to fill in that gap in the fender well. Then you'll get tired of explaining to everyone that your car is stock under the hood and you'll HAVE to go forced induction.
Are you sure you want to change the bumper?
I personally like something a bit more subtle, but it really all depends on what kind of look you're going for. All I know is once you start modifying the looks of a car you can't stop or you might get mistaken for rice. I mean, if you change the front bumper without changing side skirts (or possibly even the rear), it'll look like "oh, he couldn't afford the whole kit?" Then you'll want to get a set of rims to fit your new look. After that you'll want to drop the car a bit to fill in that gap in the fender well. Then you'll get tired of explaining to everyone that your car is stock under the hood and you'll HAVE to go forced induction.
Are you sure you want to change the bumper?
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That's very true. I agree on the rims, that may be an issue. However, I think that 1) it will look significantly less ricey in titanium. 2) I will most likely get the side skirts and 3) I will most likley supercharge once my warrantee is up.
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Now if you plan to have the $$ about the time your warranty expires, then I understand.
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I would go slightly higher on the rice-o-meter to about a 5 out of 10. It is definitely higher than the MS kit, but you're still not even close to putting on red windshield wiper covers from Auto Zone. Overall a nice, aggressive front end.
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Hahahaha nice Bill.
Poly-eurethane is good material right? I'm still trying to figure this stuff out.
Yet another picture, this time titanium:
https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8s-sale-wanted-43/fs-2005-rx-8-6k-miles-tsunami-kit-cfhood-enkei-rims-96080/
Keep in mind my screen would be black and I wouldn't have that hood unless I were doing A LOT of drugs.
Poly-eurethane is good material right? I'm still trying to figure this stuff out.
Yet another picture, this time titanium:
https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8s-sale-wanted-43/fs-2005-rx-8-6k-miles-tsunami-kit-cfhood-enkei-rims-96080/
Keep in mind my screen would be black and I wouldn't have that hood unless I were doing A LOT of drugs.