RX-7 confirmed. Hallelujah!
11-07-2012, 07:07 PM
#202
European livin n ohio
Couple things I'm wondering, will it come with a manual or a true DSG flappy paddle gearbox? Not the one from the 8 but a quick blink of an eye one.
And if the 16X is ready to go, maybe bring out a mazdaspeed RX-8 for a year or two. That way when the 7 comes the reliability issues will have been solved and the 7 doesn't get the bad rep the 8 has.
And if the 16X is ready to go, maybe bring out a mazdaspeed RX-8 for a year or two. That way when the 7 comes the reliability issues will have been solved and the 7 doesn't get the bad rep the 8 has.
11-07-2012, 07:37 PM
#203
Couple things I'm wondering, will it come with a manual or a true DSG flappy paddle gearbox? Not the one from the 8 but a quick blink of an eye one.
And if the 16X is ready to go, maybe bring out a mazdaspeed RX-8 for a year or two. That way when the 7 comes the reliability issues will have been solved and the 7 doesn't get the bad rep the 8 has.
And if the 16X is ready to go, maybe bring out a mazdaspeed RX-8 for a year or two. That way when the 7 comes the reliability issues will have been solved and the 7 doesn't get the bad rep the 8 has.
11-07-2012, 07:39 PM
#204
I think 35-37 grand as a base price is fine. I'd rather they do it right and charge a little more for it than build to a price and mess it up. They won't be able to compete with Mustangs, Genesis coupes as far a bang for the buck. I would target the cayman if doing an RX7 and make it more upscale and dial up the performance. make it more of a a supercar. If doing a RX8 which is a more practical package then they need to make it more affordable.
RX7 target: Corvette base, 370Z, Cayman, maybe even Lotus Evora. As far as price it could be anywhere between 370Z-Cayman, as long as performance is there. I would make it as bulletproof as possible. The RX8 was a failure there.
RX7 target: Corvette base, 370Z, Cayman, maybe even Lotus Evora. As far as price it could be anywhere between 370Z-Cayman, as long as performance is there. I would make it as bulletproof as possible. The RX8 was a failure there.
11-07-2012, 07:52 PM
#205
Actually, it already does, but not in the performance car segment, with very few exceptions.
When people think of Japanese cars, they think good reliability with good value price point. Even if it is a Lexus, Infiniti, or an Acura. They don't really think of taking a Toyota Camry, and slicing up their nearest canyon road. Heck, most Americans don't live anywhere near a mountain road, and the bulk that do, hate driving in them, most of the year.
When people think of German cars, they think of power, refinement, and luxury, at a high cost. They might even put safety in that thought process, as German manufacturers are usually first with coming up with new safety devices, and charging a premium for them.
How can Mazda get shoppers to compare their products directly against BMW, Porsche, Audi, VW, and Mercedes?
Honestly, the only real way is to have one of the competition's cars on their dedicated Mazda lots, and allow the shopper to test drive both vehicles back to back. Have a list of common maintenance items, and show the price difference between the two for a normal service, vs you just wore out the brake pads, and now you have to replace pads and rotors at all 4 wheels on both cars.
That's the best way to do it, in my opinion.
BC.
When people think of Japanese cars, they think good reliability with good value price point. Even if it is a Lexus, Infiniti, or an Acura. They don't really think of taking a Toyota Camry, and slicing up their nearest canyon road. Heck, most Americans don't live anywhere near a mountain road, and the bulk that do, hate driving in them, most of the year.
When people think of German cars, they think of power, refinement, and luxury, at a high cost. They might even put safety in that thought process, as German manufacturers are usually first with coming up with new safety devices, and charging a premium for them.
How can Mazda get shoppers to compare their products directly against BMW, Porsche, Audi, VW, and Mercedes?
Honestly, the only real way is to have one of the competition's cars on their dedicated Mazda lots, and allow the shopper to test drive both vehicles back to back. Have a list of common maintenance items, and show the price difference between the two for a normal service, vs you just wore out the brake pads, and now you have to replace pads and rotors at all 4 wheels on both cars.
That's the best way to do it, in my opinion.
BC.
Paul.
11-07-2012, 08:13 PM
#206
European livin n ohio
I don't know... They're talking about raising MPG and adding a gear is a way to do that... It'll most likely get all the goodies like launch control too... I prefer a stick too but i wouldn't be surprised if it's a DSG instead.
11-07-2012, 10:04 PM
#208
yall do know that one year a corvette was going to be released with a mid engine 4 rotor engine dont you? But the gas crunch reared its little head and GM put the axe to it
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...KV2-g97qGDXhQQ
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...KV2-g97qGDXhQQ
11-07-2012, 10:31 PM
#209
European livin n ohio
yall do know that one year a corvette was going to be released with a mid engine 4 rotor engine dont you? But the gas crunch reared its little head and GM put the axe to it
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...KV2-g97qGDXhQQ
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...KV2-g97qGDXhQQ
11-07-2012, 11:59 PM
#210
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yall do know that one year a corvette was going to be released with a mid engine 4 rotor engine dont you? But the gas crunch reared its little head and GM put the axe to it
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...KV2-g97qGDXhQQ
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...KV2-g97qGDXhQQ
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11-08-2012, 08:22 AM
#211
Rockie Mountain Newbie
Probably never.
Like I've said elsewhere, build a new "brand" in order to go that far up market.
Look at Nissan, they make a fine example of a company that does it both ways.
They have an upscale brand, Infiniti, for the North American market.
Most of the vehicles sold here as Infiniti's are sold in other markets simply as Nissan's.
But, their flagship car, the GT-R, is a Nissan, no matter the market.
They charge the supercar price for their GT-R, and people pay it.
And it has a great reputation.
Mazda should do the same thing as Nissan.
Offer the premium brand as their German competition group.
Offer Mazda as the Japanese competition group.
And when they have a Halo car to offer, give it the Mazda badge.
I still think they should have sold the Furai to the public, but now its dead and buried.
BC.
11-08-2012, 08:50 AM
#212
European livin n ohio
Mazda?
Probably never.
Like I've said elsewhere, build a new "brand" in order to go that far up market.
Look at Nissan, they make a fine example of a company that does it both ways.
They have an upscale brand, Infiniti, for the North American market.
Most of the vehicles sold here as Infiniti's are sold in other markets simply as Nissan's.
But, their flagship car, the GT-R, is a Nissan, no matter the market.
They charge the supercar price for their GT-R, and people pay it.
And it has a great reputation.
Mazda should do the same thing as Nissan.
Offer the premium brand as their German competition group.
Offer Mazda as the Japanese competition group.
And when they have a Halo car to offer, give it the Mazda badge.
I still think they should have sold the Furai to the public, but now its dead and buried.
BC.
Probably never.
Like I've said elsewhere, build a new "brand" in order to go that far up market.
Look at Nissan, they make a fine example of a company that does it both ways.
They have an upscale brand, Infiniti, for the North American market.
Most of the vehicles sold here as Infiniti's are sold in other markets simply as Nissan's.
But, their flagship car, the GT-R, is a Nissan, no matter the market.
They charge the supercar price for their GT-R, and people pay it.
And it has a great reputation.
Mazda should do the same thing as Nissan.
Offer the premium brand as their German competition group.
Offer Mazda as the Japanese competition group.
And when they have a Halo car to offer, give it the Mazda badge.
I still think they should have sold the Furai to the public, but now its dead and buried.
BC.
11-08-2012, 09:00 AM
#213
I agree with you largely but imo the GT-R is dirt cheap for the performance you get. 80 grand for 530 hp, 3 second 0-60, nurburgring shattering time, 196 mph? Yes please! That car would have sold for 160k just as well since the cars it beats are in that price bracket. Anybody that spends 80-100k on a car and doesn't buy a GT-R is a fool lol.
Marketing is the key.
11-08-2012, 09:10 AM
#214
European livin n ohio
Completely different cars. The GT3 rs is stripped out with massive aero on it. If they did the same in a GT-R who knows? With all the stuff the GT-R has and without scaffolding in the back id much rather have that than a squashed beetle lol. But that's just me.
11-08-2012, 09:17 AM
#215
screw Porsche. overpriced, overestimated, obsolete cars.
every GT-R is faster than a 911Turbo. that's the point.
11-08-2012, 09:50 AM
#216
Mazda?
Probably never.
Like I've said elsewhere, build a new "brand" in order to go that far up market.
Look at Nissan, they make a fine example of a company that does it both ways.
They have an upscale brand, Infiniti, for the North American market.
Most of the vehicles sold here as Infiniti's are sold in other markets simply as Nissan's.
But, their flagship car, the GT-R, is a Nissan, no matter the market.
They charge the supercar price for their GT-R, and people pay it.
And it has a great reputation.
Mazda should do the same thing as Nissan.
Offer the premium brand as their German competition group.
Offer Mazda as the Japanese competition group.
And when they have a Halo car to offer, give it the Mazda badge.
I still think they should have sold the Furai to the public, but now its dead and buried.
BC.
Probably never.
Like I've said elsewhere, build a new "brand" in order to go that far up market.
Look at Nissan, they make a fine example of a company that does it both ways.
They have an upscale brand, Infiniti, for the North American market.
Most of the vehicles sold here as Infiniti's are sold in other markets simply as Nissan's.
But, their flagship car, the GT-R, is a Nissan, no matter the market.
They charge the supercar price for their GT-R, and people pay it.
And it has a great reputation.
Mazda should do the same thing as Nissan.
Offer the premium brand as their German competition group.
Offer Mazda as the Japanese competition group.
And when they have a Halo car to offer, give it the Mazda badge.
I still think they should have sold the Furai to the public, but now its dead and buried.
BC.
A Mazda supercar? I won't say never (Some would argue the FD was that) but building a street version of the Furai could never have happened.
If they partner with someone good someday, who knows what they could build though (McLaren?)
.Paul.
11-08-2012, 10:35 AM
#218
European livin n ohio
11-08-2012, 01:44 PM
#219
I'd love to see an RX-7 challenge a Cayman S on performance and overall "feel." But it needs to be significantly cheaper. Not cheap, per se, but cheaper. I'd consider paying mid-$40s for one, but if it's up in the $50s, that would be a tough sell, to me anyway.
11-08-2012, 02:07 PM
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The future RX7 sounds nice and dandy, but I would like for Mazda to work on the reliability of their RX cars. My RX8 is a beautiful car IMO, but the issues with it's realiabily (and from the posts I've read about other RX owners) only allows me to like it, and not love it. No car is bullit proof, but the RX8 has more Achilles Heels than it should.
11-08-2012, 08:22 PM
#221
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I fail to see why they would want to call it the new RX-7. Why not RX-9? Why bring back the past? I personally think that Mazda should aim at a more diverse crowd and make people, non believers, see the rotary engine in a new way. The rotary has proved it self worthy through many victories in racing that many people aren't aware of. As for the next Rx, I too think that Mazda should aim to compete with porsche and lotus. Lets not forget that the new NSX will be out and the new elise sometime in 2015. If mazda can make the next Rx a serious, reliable, and efficient competitor for less than 55k then they might have will a winner.
I'm just glad to see that mazda will continue developing the rotary.
I'm just glad to see that mazda will continue developing the rotary.
11-08-2012, 09:49 PM
#222
I think the name RX-7 is a better marketing strategy. How many times have you heard something like "the RX-8 should have been like the RX-7" or "I wish they had brought back the RX-7"?
Of course the 7 had criticisms as well, but it still garners respect. I think going with RX-9 might leave people uncertain after the RX-8. It might just be seen as Mazda just making another attempt at a new RX car. Plus, it sounds like the design concept is more similar to the roots of the RX-7. If it's the next iteration of that design concept, then it makes sense to continue the name.
Of course the 7 had criticisms as well, but it still garners respect. I think going with RX-9 might leave people uncertain after the RX-8. It might just be seen as Mazda just making another attempt at a new RX car. Plus, it sounds like the design concept is more similar to the roots of the RX-7. If it's the next iteration of that design concept, then it makes sense to continue the name.
11-08-2012, 10:00 PM
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Mazda doesn't need to 'sell' the RX-7, they just need to make them look cool enough to bring people into the showroom to buy a miata or Mazda3. They will sell a few to us enthusiasts and those with enough cash to dabble in something different.
It will always be an enthusiast halo car, bought but us rotorheads and usually sold at a loss to get the regular buyers into the showroom.
It will always be an enthusiast halo car, bought but us rotorheads and usually sold at a loss to get the regular buyers into the showroom.
11-09-2012, 02:13 AM
#224
Again & again Rx-8 sold less prices than Rx-7 FD and more rotary fans and new fan boys met with 8 ! and the history continues with 8 !
Please give your Rx-8's respect.. This is a 2 side scene. One is less prices everbodies sports car the other side is rich people toy in 93 FD's were expensive than e36 m3's. Today Mazda have not any chance to play big. Everybody wants power but with emission rules..
Please Mazda put that engine on miata an see what can happen ! Look s2k's z4M's !
Roadster Rotary 9 RR-9 we want this not an RX-7 If you will put a turbo then produce RX-7 ! NA 7 is going to be RX-8 ! Now what you do i am sure...
Please give your Rx-8's respect.. This is a 2 side scene. One is less prices everbodies sports car the other side is rich people toy in 93 FD's were expensive than e36 m3's. Today Mazda have not any chance to play big. Everybody wants power but with emission rules..
Please Mazda put that engine on miata an see what can happen ! Look s2k's z4M's !
Roadster Rotary 9 RR-9 we want this not an RX-7 If you will put a turbo then produce RX-7 ! NA 7 is going to be RX-8 ! Now what you do i am sure...
11-09-2012, 03:28 AM
#225
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The FB and FC both w]had non tubro varients
The 7 is a sports coupe
The 8 is a Grand Tourer
An NA RX7 IS NOT A RX8!!!!!!!!!!!
People confuse me
