RX-7 confirmed. Hallelujah!
11-19-2012, 01:27 PM
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I think what we've all learned is that they need to give all the cars a 100,000 mile engine/powertrain warranty right out of the box, so that potential buyers don't concern themselves with reliability at all, and just focus on the excellent performance.
Remember how relieved everyone was when they extended the S1 engine warranty to 100k? It was pretty meaningful, but being an after-the-fact change effectively wasted all the reassurance it would have provided.
Remember how relieved everyone was when they extended the S1 engine warranty to 100k? It was pretty meaningful, but being an after-the-fact change effectively wasted all the reassurance it would have provided.
the downside of the huge warranty is it creates an idea that you aren't responsible for your own car.
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11-19-2012, 01:29 PM
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Kia offers a 7 years warranty on their cars here. The thought process they're stressing on is that they're sure their cars are reliable enough NOT to need a warranty, so they give you a big one 
Just like jumping from a cliff... you only do it if you know you can fly or fart hard enough to warrant yourself a soft landing.
Just like jumping from a cliff... you only do it if you know you can fly or fart hard enough to warrant yourself a soft landing.
11-19-2012, 04:27 PM
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I think what we've all learned is that they need to give all the cars a 100,000 mile engine/powertrain warranty right out of the box, so that potential buyers don't concern themselves with reliability at all, and just focus on the excellent performance.
Remember how relieved everyone was when they extended the S1 engine warranty to 100k? It was pretty meaningful, but being an after-the-fact change effectively wasted all the reassurance it would have provided.
Remember how relieved everyone was when they extended the S1 engine warranty to 100k? It was pretty meaningful, but being an after-the-fact change effectively wasted all the reassurance it would have provided.
IMO any new engine mazda comes out with will have its own set of problems and that they will never get it to be as easy to maintain as a piston engine. I wouldn't buy a first year rotary model ever again. I won't even buy a 2nd year. They'd get it right by about year 5.
11-19-2012, 04:51 PM
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Mazda isn't gonna have any problems reaching it's weight goal. Hell a base model fd weighs in the low 2700lbs range. Now consider that were dealing with no turbos and a larger displacement all aluminum engine that's already lighter than the smaller renesis, plus modern day exhaust is much lighter than that anker of a system the fd had. So you can easily see Mazda hitting their weight mark. Also, don't understimate the added torque were gonna get from the 16x longer storke. I've menchioned a while back that I felt the torque delivery will be 20b like. Trust me that's a great thing. I strongly feel the new rx7 will be a much better performer than most here will give credit for.
11-19-2012, 07:36 PM
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That seems really low for a stock RX-8. My 2010 Sport with mods that reduced the weight by 28 pounds weighed 2915 on the SCCA autocross scales with under 1/4 tank of gas (on the gauge) and with the floor mats and tools removed.
11-24-2012, 03:33 AM
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It's been a VERY long time since I last posted something, but this topic has me excited!
I personally hope that the new powerplant manages to reach two magic numbers: 10000 rpm and 200 hp/liter. That would be marketing's (and owner's) heaven IMHO.
I'm wondering about when we may see some actual "metal" in the form of a concept car. Going by what happened with the Rx-8, the initial prototype (the RX-evolv ) was introduced in 1999, while an actual prototype of the car was unveiled in 2001. The car started selling in 2003 as a 2004 model (if I remember correctly).
Now, assuming that this schedule more or less holds for the new Rx-7 as well, a concept car should be unveiled about 4 years before release. That means 2013 which, by the way, is a year when there will be a Tokyo Motor Show. So I suspect that we may actually see something as "early" as next year. Does that sound correct?
Andrea.
I personally hope that the new powerplant manages to reach two magic numbers: 10000 rpm and 200 hp/liter. That would be marketing's (and owner's) heaven IMHO.
I'm wondering about when we may see some actual "metal" in the form of a concept car. Going by what happened with the Rx-8, the initial prototype (the RX-evolv ) was introduced in 1999, while an actual prototype of the car was unveiled in 2001. The car started selling in 2003 as a 2004 model (if I remember correctly).
Now, assuming that this schedule more or less holds for the new Rx-7 as well, a concept car should be unveiled about 4 years before release. That means 2013 which, by the way, is a year when there will be a Tokyo Motor Show. So I suspect that we may actually see something as "early" as next year. Does that sound correct?
Andrea.
11-24-2012, 11:33 PM
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It's been a VERY long time since I last posted something, but this topic has me excited!
I personally hope that the new powerplant manages to reach two magic numbers: 10000 rpm and 200 hp/liter. That would be marketing's (and owner's) heaven IMHO.
I'm wondering about when we may see some actual "metal" in the form of a concept car. Going by what happened with the Rx-8, the initial prototype (the RX-evolv ) was introduced in 1999, while an actual prototype of the car was unveiled in 2001. The car started selling in 2003 as a 2004 model (if I remember correctly).
Now, assuming that this schedule more or less holds for the new Rx-7 as well, a concept car should be unveiled about 4 years before release. That means 2013 which, by the way, is a year when there will be a Tokyo Motor Show. So I suspect that we may actually see something as "early" as next year. Does that sound correct?
Andrea.
I personally hope that the new powerplant manages to reach two magic numbers: 10000 rpm and 200 hp/liter. That would be marketing's (and owner's) heaven IMHO.
I'm wondering about when we may see some actual "metal" in the form of a concept car. Going by what happened with the Rx-8, the initial prototype (the RX-evolv ) was introduced in 1999, while an actual prototype of the car was unveiled in 2001. The car started selling in 2003 as a 2004 model (if I remember correctly).
Now, assuming that this schedule more or less holds for the new Rx-7 as well, a concept car should be unveiled about 4 years before release. That means 2013 which, by the way, is a year when there will be a Tokyo Motor Show. So I suspect that we may actually see something as "early" as next year. Does that sound correct?
Andrea.
11-25-2012, 03:54 PM
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Remember that was went Mazda was with Ford, Now they don't have someone telling them no, no, no, all the time, and if they want to have a flagship sport car they better do it quick to show the wold that they can do it right, if not I would think 75% of people will not touch a Mazda sport car!
I love how people are telling a massive car company how to do things.
"Yeah sure, you've never run a company such as this but we definitely want you to tell us how and when we should release our next car"
11-25-2012, 07:15 PM
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Does that really sound like too much to ask for?
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11-26-2012, 01:43 AM
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The more I know about cars, the more I have to respect Mazda's way of doing business. It is not money, but on principal they are keeping the rotary alive.
Niche performance vehicles always have challenges. Quality control, warranty, design flaws, and bean counters.
Let's look at some engine failure history, with regard to quality control and design issues.
Porsche IMS issue, the only recall I have seen was an April Fool's joke. Over time they improved the IMS, and eventually designed away the IMS, but people have footed $20k engine replacements. IMS retrofit is pretty cheap, it is on the owners to upgrade however. No official word.
Corvette z06 issue: Quality control of components and geometry, such as rockers, leading to worn valve guides, leading to sending a valve through the engine block. GM is not forthcoming, we are currently figuring out what to upgrade. New guides/valves/rockers etc is not cheap, but cheaper than a $16k engine. No official word.
Mazda rx8: "We will not walk away from any Mazda owner". You know the story. Not everyone here has a good warranty experience to report. But it is telling that while other companies played the game of waiting out warranty expiration to get off the hook, Mazda actually did the opposite.
The rotary has the same issues, and engine failures. But at least it is supported by the higher ups in the company. Maybe it is the Japanese corporate culture and loyalty, I don't know. But it is a good thing that transcends profit.
On principal, I look forward to the new rx7.
Niche performance vehicles always have challenges. Quality control, warranty, design flaws, and bean counters.
Let's look at some engine failure history, with regard to quality control and design issues.
Porsche IMS issue, the only recall I have seen was an April Fool's joke. Over time they improved the IMS, and eventually designed away the IMS, but people have footed $20k engine replacements. IMS retrofit is pretty cheap, it is on the owners to upgrade however. No official word.
Corvette z06 issue: Quality control of components and geometry, such as rockers, leading to worn valve guides, leading to sending a valve through the engine block. GM is not forthcoming, we are currently figuring out what to upgrade. New guides/valves/rockers etc is not cheap, but cheaper than a $16k engine. No official word.
Mazda rx8: "We will not walk away from any Mazda owner". You know the story. Not everyone here has a good warranty experience to report. But it is telling that while other companies played the game of waiting out warranty expiration to get off the hook, Mazda actually did the opposite.
The rotary has the same issues, and engine failures. But at least it is supported by the higher ups in the company. Maybe it is the Japanese corporate culture and loyalty, I don't know. But it is a good thing that transcends profit.
On principal, I look forward to the new rx7.
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11-30-2012, 03:46 PM
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Mazda news...the Mazda/Ford divorce continues..
Well the continuing divorce of the Ford-Mazda relationship is almost over..
Chinese government approved production split of Ford joint venture with Mazda and Changan.
Effective immediately, Changan Ford Mazda Automobile Co., a 50-35-15 joint venture between Changan, Ford and Mazda, will be restructured into Changan Ford Automobile Co., a 50-50 partnership between Changan and Ford; and Changan Mazda Automobile Co., a 50-50 partnership between Changan and Mazda.
Changan Ford will take over all Ford-related business of old Changan Ford Mazda, including development, manufacturing, marketing and sales of Ford-brand vehicles in China. It will remain headquartered in the southwest China municipality of Chongqing.
Meanwhile, Changan Mazda will assume ALL the Mazda-related business. It will be based in Nanjing.
So that leaves the Thailand (Auto-Alliance) as the sole joint production facility that actually produces Ford and Mazda product.
Chinese government approved production split of Ford joint venture with Mazda and Changan.
Effective immediately, Changan Ford Mazda Automobile Co., a 50-35-15 joint venture between Changan, Ford and Mazda, will be restructured into Changan Ford Automobile Co., a 50-50 partnership between Changan and Ford; and Changan Mazda Automobile Co., a 50-50 partnership between Changan and Mazda.
Changan Ford will take over all Ford-related business of old Changan Ford Mazda, including development, manufacturing, marketing and sales of Ford-brand vehicles in China. It will remain headquartered in the southwest China municipality of Chongqing.
Meanwhile, Changan Mazda will assume ALL the Mazda-related business. It will be based in Nanjing.
So that leaves the Thailand (Auto-Alliance) as the sole joint production facility that actually produces Ford and Mazda product.
12-22-2012, 05:23 AM
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Nothing new here but just in case anyone missed it.
I think if the RX-7/8/9 looks like this black beauty in the illustration phew get ready to get in line for buying one if these come 2017.
New Mazda RX-7 + New RX-8 = RX-9 : 7Tune.com
Here is a less attractive version but still neat to see where the styling could possibly be going.
RX-7 Concept May Appear at Tokyo Motor Show : 7Tune.com
I think if the RX-7/8/9 looks like this black beauty in the illustration phew get ready to get in line for buying one if these come 2017.
New Mazda RX-7 + New RX-8 = RX-9 : 7Tune.com
Here is a less attractive version but still neat to see where the styling could possibly be going.
RX-7 Concept May Appear at Tokyo Motor Show : 7Tune.com
12-22-2012, 06:11 AM
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Being almost 4 years old, these types of articles show just how glacial the 'development' of the new RX is, or supposedly is, pretty pictures and glowing assesments of fuel economy and weight aside.
12-22-2012, 12:35 PM
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/\...Agree, sounds like a 'publicity screen' written many, many times over the RX-8's life, on the 'next rotary'.
Until I actually see something I just wont believe it...there is still NOTHING which gives me any hope of Mazda actually doing this in the current sustained poor 'world economy'.
Apart from Australia the rest of the world has and still is in a financial **** hole, we are the only gleaming light for Mazda, and they certainly are not going to make any RX- just for us.
There are not the numbers out there to warrant making such a car, who will buy it?, not the burnt Renesis owners, that new wave of Rotary owners of the new millennium...Mazda blew it................................................ ................again.
If they can not make at least 250,000 it is not viable.
YES, Mazda are waiting for the world to turn (finacially)....well they will have a very long wait.
Until I actually see something I just wont believe it...there is still NOTHING which gives me any hope of Mazda actually doing this in the current sustained poor 'world economy'.
Apart from Australia the rest of the world has and still is in a financial **** hole, we are the only gleaming light for Mazda, and they certainly are not going to make any RX- just for us.
There are not the numbers out there to warrant making such a car, who will buy it?, not the burnt Renesis owners, that new wave of Rotary owners of the new millennium...Mazda blew it................................................ ................again.
If they can not make at least 250,000 it is not viable.
YES, Mazda are waiting for the world to turn (finacially)....well they will have a very long wait.
12-22-2012, 01:48 PM
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In the meantime,,, I will be building a refresh bodykit for the FD to bring the styling up to date - RX7Club.com
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12-22-2012, 02:21 PM
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..agree...
12-22-2012, 07:17 PM
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l0l...
12-24-2012, 10:53 AM
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In the meantime,,, I will be building a refresh bodykit for the FD to bring the styling up to date - RX7Club.com
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12-27-2012, 11:15 AM
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I have corresponded with Brian Long, Kobi, and Kelvin Hiraishi over the past few years and pushed for a 3 rotor NA motor with about 325 whp and a redline of 8800 in a 2700 pound car. I think the 16x-2 rotor will have an 8800 rpm redline and suspect just under 300 advertised hp. Kind of, "more power than the turbo-do Rx7 of old, but more reliable and lighter". Still a mistake not using the 3 rotor, imho, but it might have needed a more extensive redesign, tooling issues, training, blah, blah. Still...
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12-27-2012, 10:51 PM
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Just put up on Youtube today!
From the notes:
Published on Dec 27, 2012
A split view of Mazda's all new 16X MSP Twin Rotor Rotary Engine.
Each Rotor has a capacity of 800cc = Total of 1600cc.
Said to produce around 300-320 HP.
There were additional notes in a video post that was removed a 1/2 hr earlier.
Split views of Mazda's all new 16X MSP Twin Rotor Rotary Engine.
Each Rotor has a capacity of 800cc = Total of 1600cc.
Said to produce around 300-320 HP.
Currently in final refinement and long term testing the all new 16X will be Mazda's most powerful NA (naturally aspirated) Wankel Rotary Engine ever made.
There will be NO Turbo or Supercharger with the 16X MSP (Multi Side Port) is rumored to be the main power plant of the all new RX-9 two door Roadster Coupe.
From the notes:
Published on Dec 27, 2012
A split view of Mazda's all new 16X MSP Twin Rotor Rotary Engine.
Each Rotor has a capacity of 800cc = Total of 1600cc.
Said to produce around 300-320 HP.
There were additional notes in a video post that was removed a 1/2 hr earlier.
Split views of Mazda's all new 16X MSP Twin Rotor Rotary Engine.
Each Rotor has a capacity of 800cc = Total of 1600cc.
Said to produce around 300-320 HP.
Currently in final refinement and long term testing the all new 16X will be Mazda's most powerful NA (naturally aspirated) Wankel Rotary Engine ever made.
There will be NO Turbo or Supercharger with the 16X MSP (Multi Side Port) is rumored to be the main power plant of the all new RX-9 two door Roadster Coupe.
12-28-2012, 12:40 AM
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I wonder who put that up?
This one is good tooo!....
This one is good tooo!....