Official 2010 Formula 1 Season Discussion
08-01-2010, 04:40 PM
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GREAT WIN Mark Webber!!
Could Australia have another World Champion here??,,it has been a long time since the last one Allan Jones.
Could Australia have another World Champion here??,,it has been a long time since the last one Allan Jones.
08-01-2010, 04:57 PM
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1- M. WEBBER.....161 Points
2- L. HAMILTON...157
3- S. VETTEL.......151
4- J. BUTTON.......147
5- F. ALONSO.......141
6- Massa (97)
With only 7 races to go and the 2010 Season almost 2/3rds over these are the TOP 5 and really the Only ones who can now win..
2- L. HAMILTON...157
3- S. VETTEL.......151
4- J. BUTTON.......147
5- F. ALONSO.......141
6- Massa (97)
With only 7 races to go and the 2010 Season almost 2/3rds over these are the TOP 5 and really the Only ones who can now win..
08-01-2010, 08:25 PM
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The Hungaroring circuit shouldn't be on the F1 calendar. Unless someone makes a mistake or has a clearly superior car, it is impossible to make a pass. The straights are too short. For example, Vettel has a superior car to Alonso, yet he couldn't make the pass.
Now we go into the period where Europe goes on vacation and we don't have any races for almost a month.
Now we go into the period where Europe goes on vacation and we don't have any races for almost a month.
08-01-2010, 08:50 PM
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The Hungaroring circuit shouldn't be on the F1 calendar. Unless someone makes a mistake or has a clearly superior car, it is impossible to make a pass. The straights are too short. For example, Vettel has a superior car to Alonso, yet he couldn't make the pass.
Now we go into the period where Europe goes on vacation and we don't have any races for almost a month.
Now we go into the period where Europe goes on vacation and we don't have any races for almost a month.
08-02-2010, 12:56 AM
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Brawn: Schumacher not dangerous
Mercedes GP team boss Ross Brawn has insisted that Michael Schumacher did not make any deliberately dangerous movements when trying to block Rubens Barrichello in the Hungarian Grand Prix.
Schumacher will have to take a 10-place grid penalty at Spa as a punishment for impeding the Williams driver, who squeezed through a narrowing gap between the Mercedes and the pit wall to take 10th place.
Brawn was adamant that Schumacher's driving was within acceptable limits.
"Pretty tough - a tough move by Michael and a tough decision by the stewards," said the team chief.
"I don't think for a moment that Michael was trying to put Rubens in the wall - but he was trying to discourage him from coming down the inside because he thought that was where he would be vulnerable.
"But at the end of the day he gave him enough space. You can argue that it was marginal but – tough racing."
Brawn believes Schumacher was caught out by Barrichello getting alongside him so soon after the exit of the final corner and had not been trying to deny him space.
"Later in the manoeuvre you can see he moved away from Rubens, I don't think he expected Rubens to be exactly where he was at that time because it is a sort of manoeuvre that happens when you enter a corner not that far up a straight," said Brawn.
"Rubens got a very good run out of the last corner with his new tyres so I think there is lots of way arguing it – but these things happen in a fraction of a second."
He added that he was certain there was no dangerous intent in the move.
"It may have ended up in a dangerous way but that wasn't the intent I am sure by Michael," Brawn said.
"Michael was defending his position, trying to encourage Rubens to go around the outside. I don't think for a moment that he saw Rubens there and thought 'I will squeeze him'.
"But it is a pretty tough business F1 and if you open up every time someone tries to attack you then you know the drivers in F1 who don't defend and those that do."
He also denied any suggestion that Schumacher's driving had been particularly brutal because Barrichello was an ex-team-mate.
"Certainly not from Michael's perspective!" Brawn replied when asked if the 'history' between the two drivers had been a factor.
"Michael didn't comment on that. I know Rubens has commented on the history between them, but Michael hasn't at all. It is obviously something that is paramount in Rubens' mind."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85816
Braun isn't very good at justifying Schumacher's actions.
Mercedes GP team boss Ross Brawn has insisted that Michael Schumacher did not make any deliberately dangerous movements when trying to block Rubens Barrichello in the Hungarian Grand Prix.
Schumacher will have to take a 10-place grid penalty at Spa as a punishment for impeding the Williams driver, who squeezed through a narrowing gap between the Mercedes and the pit wall to take 10th place.
Brawn was adamant that Schumacher's driving was within acceptable limits.
"Pretty tough - a tough move by Michael and a tough decision by the stewards," said the team chief.
"I don't think for a moment that Michael was trying to put Rubens in the wall - but he was trying to discourage him from coming down the inside because he thought that was where he would be vulnerable.
"But at the end of the day he gave him enough space. You can argue that it was marginal but – tough racing."
Brawn believes Schumacher was caught out by Barrichello getting alongside him so soon after the exit of the final corner and had not been trying to deny him space.
"Later in the manoeuvre you can see he moved away from Rubens, I don't think he expected Rubens to be exactly where he was at that time because it is a sort of manoeuvre that happens when you enter a corner not that far up a straight," said Brawn.
"Rubens got a very good run out of the last corner with his new tyres so I think there is lots of way arguing it – but these things happen in a fraction of a second."
He added that he was certain there was no dangerous intent in the move.
"It may have ended up in a dangerous way but that wasn't the intent I am sure by Michael," Brawn said.
"Michael was defending his position, trying to encourage Rubens to go around the outside. I don't think for a moment that he saw Rubens there and thought 'I will squeeze him'.
"But it is a pretty tough business F1 and if you open up every time someone tries to attack you then you know the drivers in F1 who don't defend and those that do."
He also denied any suggestion that Schumacher's driving had been particularly brutal because Barrichello was an ex-team-mate.
"Certainly not from Michael's perspective!" Brawn replied when asked if the 'history' between the two drivers had been a factor.
"Michael didn't comment on that. I know Rubens has commented on the history between them, but Michael hasn't at all. It is obviously something that is paramount in Rubens' mind."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85816
Braun isn't very good at justifying Schumacher's actions.
08-02-2010, 12:58 AM
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Renault and Mercedes handed fines for pit lane incidents
Both Renault and Mercedes have been handed $50,000 fines for their parts in separate pit lane incidents during the Hungarian Grand Prix
Renault was penalised for the unsafe release of Robert Kubica, who pulled out and crashed into Adrian Sutil's Force India car.
The incident led to Sutil's retirement before Kubica's race ended eight laps later after he served a stop-go penalty.
Mercedes received the same fine of $50,000 after Nico Rosberg lost a tyre in the pit lane as a result of a loose wheel nut.
http://en.espnf1.com/belgium/motorsp...ory/25223.html
I'm including this just because of the cool picture.
http://en.espnf1.com/hungary/motorsp...ory/25220.html
Both Renault and Mercedes have been handed $50,000 fines for their parts in separate pit lane incidents during the Hungarian Grand Prix
Renault was penalised for the unsafe release of Robert Kubica, who pulled out and crashed into Adrian Sutil's Force India car.
The incident led to Sutil's retirement before Kubica's race ended eight laps later after he served a stop-go penalty.
Mercedes received the same fine of $50,000 after Nico Rosberg lost a tyre in the pit lane as a result of a loose wheel nut.
http://en.espnf1.com/belgium/motorsp...ory/25223.html
I'm including this just because of the cool picture.
http://en.espnf1.com/hungary/motorsp...ory/25220.html
08-02-2010, 03:53 AM
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You see alfy, join Ferrari.. we have nipples! 
Anyway the holiday in europe is plain BS. That's just a F1 ban on development during 2 of the 3 summer weeks between the hungaroring and spa.
Funny thing is that now that mclaren is left behind with their car development they're complaining about the test ban\forced august stop. I, for one, am with them on this one.
What scares me is that in 2013 we may really see the end of f1 with the adoption of turbo 4 bangers... hell I miss the v10..
Anyway the holiday in europe is plain BS. That's just a F1 ban on development during 2 of the 3 summer weeks between the hungaroring and spa.
Funny thing is that now that mclaren is left behind with their car development they're complaining about the test ban\forced august stop. I, for one, am with them on this one.
What scares me is that in 2013 we may really see the end of f1 with the adoption of turbo 4 bangers... hell I miss the v10..
08-02-2010, 09:40 AM
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08-02-2010, 10:22 AM
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Schumacher has rightfully apologized.
"Immediately after the race yesterday I was still in the heat of the moment but after seeing the incident with Rubens again, I have to say the stewards were right in their decision. My move against him was too hard," Schumacher said on his official website.
"Naturally, I wanted to make it difficult for him to overtake me. I clearly showed him that I didn't want to let him pass but, looking at it rationally, I wasn't seeking to endanger him with my manoeuvre. If he feels I was then all I can say is sorry, this wasn't my intention."
http://en.espnf1.com/hungary/motorsp...ory/25330.html
"Immediately after the race yesterday I was still in the heat of the moment but after seeing the incident with Rubens again, I have to say the stewards were right in their decision. My move against him was too hard," Schumacher said on his official website.
"Naturally, I wanted to make it difficult for him to overtake me. I clearly showed him that I didn't want to let him pass but, looking at it rationally, I wasn't seeking to endanger him with my manoeuvre. If he feels I was then all I can say is sorry, this wasn't my intention."
http://en.espnf1.com/hungary/motorsp...ory/25330.html
08-02-2010, 01:23 PM
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I have a certain level of respect for Schumi that I don't have for Nando. When a man apologizes and quickly, that demonstrates the mature attitude I like to see. On the other hand, Seb acted like a child again (If I can't win I'm pissed) and Felipe continues to show a humble grateful character that I admire. He has thanked God, the doctors, his fans, everyone he can think of for the opportunity to be doing what he does so well.
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08-02-2010, 01:59 PM
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I have a certain level of respect for Schumi that I don't have for Nando. When a man apologizes and quickly, that demonstrates the mature attitude I like to see. On the other hand, Seb acted like a child again (If I can't win I'm pissed) and Felipe continues to show a humble grateful character that I admire. He has thanked God, the doctors, his fans, everyone he can think of for the opportunity to be doing what he does so well.
Paul.
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As for Vet, it's very comical to see him not get 1st place on the last 4 track sthat he made 1st spot for starting. Its really got to eaten him alive lol, I know that I have been laughing pretty hard watching him F up the last 4 races. The guy is such a titty baby. Also for him not to know he was so way far behind is webber during the pace car is umm BS. I am pretty sure the drivers of F1 are very good at estimating lenghs between cars etc. For him to act like he some innocent bystander is absurd.
I know that I am Hamiltons number fan, but like i said earlier I really hope that Webber wins the championship. I guess its because his team puts a lot more attention on a rising star (young driver) than the old school driver. So would love to see the old school driver win this year. Just to prove that yah Vet is young, but I (webber) still have it. Also Webber career in F1 has not been well due to teams etc.
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08-02-2010, 02:39 PM
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LMAO Nico is the man LOL
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11008022...-blown-exhaust
Mercedes is waiting on a French supplier before pushing ahead with its latest specification of the blown diffuser.
The German team reversed the specification in Hungary because recent track outings showed that the hot engine exhaust was melting the car -- particularly the all-important floor and diffuser.
"The car looked different when it left the pits to when it came back," Michael Schumacher is quoted by Bild newspaper.
Mercedes was waiting on an order of incombustible space-craft material called Pyrosic, made exclusively by Pyromeral Systems in France.
But there were problems with delivery, with Ross Brawn confirming: "We are now trying a different material."
In Hungary, Nico Rosberg joined Schumacher in writing off their chances of winning the titles in 2010.
And asked what he can learn from Germany's leading F1 driver Sebastian Vettel, Rosberg answered: "From Sebastian? Nothing -- only the speed of his car."
The German team reversed the specification in Hungary because recent track outings showed that the hot engine exhaust was melting the car -- particularly the all-important floor and diffuser.
"The car looked different when it left the pits to when it came back," Michael Schumacher is quoted by Bild newspaper.
Mercedes was waiting on an order of incombustible space-craft material called Pyrosic, made exclusively by Pyromeral Systems in France.
But there were problems with delivery, with Ross Brawn confirming: "We are now trying a different material."
In Hungary, Nico Rosberg joined Schumacher in writing off their chances of winning the titles in 2010.
And asked what he can learn from Germany's leading F1 driver Sebastian Vettel, Rosberg answered: "From Sebastian? Nothing -- only the speed of his car."
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08-02-2010, 03:25 PM
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He and Hamilton were teammates (or were they driving in the same series i forget) earlier and the career and if I remember correctly they were pretty damn equal. And Hamilton is no slouch.
08-02-2010, 03:34 PM
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He is right though. Nico is extremely fast. It wasnt a coincidence that he kept beating Nakajima back in Williams.
He and Hamilton were teammates (or were they driving in the same series i forget) earlier and the career and if I remember correctly they were pretty damn equal. And Hamilton is no slouch.
He and Hamilton were teammates (or were they driving in the same series i forget) earlier and the career and if I remember correctly they were pretty damn equal. And Hamilton is no slouch.
Webber is where Button was last year. Pretty talented driver that needed A LOT to mature. He's smart and not as impulsive as Vettel and that's a plus when fighting against a tight pack.
Nico will see a brilliant future too but with Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel it will be hard to win a championship.
Alonso and Hamilton still have a lot to prove himo since they both won their titles during a transition period.
08-02-2010, 03:56 PM
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The Hungaroring circuit shouldn't be on the F1 calendar. Unless someone makes a mistake or has a clearly superior car, it is impossible to make a pass. The straights are too short. For example, Vettel has a superior car to Alonso, yet he couldn't make the pass.
Now we go into the period where Europe goes on vacation and we don't have any races for almost a month.
Now we go into the period where Europe goes on vacation and we don't have any races for almost a month.
08-02-2010, 03:57 PM
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I agree, the problem with hamilton is that he is the kind of driver that needs the car to win while the more outstanding ones (Alonso, Vettel, the old Schumacher) have or had some tricks up their sleeves to still stay on top. This obviously assuming little gaps (below the 1sec. mark)..
Love him or hate him - given roughly similar performing equipment, the rest of the field will be licking Hamilton's boots. Best driver out there, no question.
08-02-2010, 04:14 PM
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I agree, the problem with hamilton is that he is the kind of driver that needs the car to win while the more outstanding ones (Alonso, Vettel, the old Schumacher) have or had some tricks up their sleeves to still stay on top. This obviously assuming little gaps (below the 1sec. mark).
Webber is where Button was last year. Pretty talented driver that needed A LOT to mature. He's smart and not as impulsive as Vettel and that's a plus when fighting against a tight pack.
Nico will see a brilliant future too but with Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel it will be hard to win a championship.
Alonso and Hamilton still have a lot to prove himo since they both won their titles during a transition period.
Webber is where Button was last year. Pretty talented driver that needed A LOT to mature. He's smart and not as impulsive as Vettel and that's a plus when fighting against a tight pack.
Nico will see a brilliant future too but with Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel it will be hard to win a championship.
Alonso and Hamilton still have a lot to prove himo since they both won their titles during a transition period.
And this trick up their sleeves comment, i guess Alonso was out of tricks up his sleeve when he drove the mclaren, that a rookie driver out drove him that year in teh same car. So the only trick he had left was to block Hamilton in the pits during qulify run.. If that is the trick up the sleeves you are talking about then I guess you are right, he is full with tricks up his sleeves.
As for vettle, only trick up his sleeves is to eeither A. run off the track twice in one race b. try to take on 2 drivers and got owned, C. throw pissy fits due to his fault, d. crash into his team mate and then try to put the blame on his teammate. I guess if those are the tricks you are refering to, then he should learn new ones.
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08-02-2010, 04:29 PM
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Disagree. Hamilton outdrove Alonso at McLaren. Alonso did nothing at Renault after being released by McLaren and the one race he did win was *gasp*...fixed. Button needs the car to work for him a lot more than Hamilton does. Same goes for Schumacher, who's been slower than Nico every single time this year. Vettel?! Seriously? He's had the best car on track the whole year. If he were that good, he should have had the title wrapped by now, regardless of failures.
Love him or hate him - given roughly similar performing equipment, the rest of the field will be licking Hamilton's boots. Best driver out there, no question.
Love him or hate him - given roughly similar performing equipment, the rest of the field will be licking Hamilton's boots. Best driver out there, no question.
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