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Old 07-27-2010, 05:15 AM
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We have a wise man here!
Anyway i'd like to point out what a wonderful team Ferrari is for once. Not the dudes you see giving orders but the team behind them that develops the car
They really morphed a mid pack car into a serious threat in less than 5 races. Props to them!
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Originally Posted by bse50
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Anyway i'd like to point out what a wonderful team Ferrari is for once. Not the dudes you see giving orders but the team behind them that develops the car
They really morphed a mid pack car into a serious threat in less than 5 races. Props to them!
Yeah, it was really impressive. Now it COULD be that Hockenheim suited the Ferrari package better than other races, but if they continue to be equally formidable opponents in the coming races then it is seriously hats off to brilliant engineers.

Almost as fast development as McLaren
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I find it so funny how ferrari fans are saying that when Mclaren told hamilton to conserve fuel and hamilton replies is button going to pass me, is the same thing as Massa vs Alonso. Yah hamilton was told to conserve fuel, yah Button crept on him and took 1st place, yah hamilton fought back and owned button. I didnt see massa fight back to take 1st place spot back.
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As for me, I don't really care for team orders. 2002 is a good reason, Ruben could of won that race, but since he was order to let MS pass him (which even if Ruben won that race, MS would of stil won the championship) he made 2nd place.

I feel if a person puts in all the hard to work to be 1st place or what ever spot they obtained by the end of the race should be theirs. They shouldnt just willing give it a team mate because of sponsorship. Racing shouldnt be about pleasing the higher up, shouldnt be about pleasing the sponors of that team, it should be abotu the fans who actually spent money on tickets to watch a race that shouldnt be fixed.

Drivers are competitive ppl, if a team mate feels he is 2nd driver for the team it creates a bad environment for the drivers and both mechanic teams. Yes there are drivers out there who are just driving for a pay check (cough cough Piquet JR) and those are the type of drivers that are dangerous. We have seen it the past (90’s) were drivers are told to block so and such so their number 1 driver can take a spot.

As for Massa I feel sorry for the guy, he has a teammate who does not care how he wins, he just wants to be number 1. And if ppl think Alonso is a angel, tell me why they found info of Ferrari car on Alonso laptop when he was at Mclaren? The guy always has a scandal following him, but I am not mad at Alonso for winning, just mad at Ferrari for bending over backwards for such a cry baby. But then again they are made for each other, they both love to cry. Its well known that Santader (Ferrari main sponsor) wants Alonso is Ferrari star, I am just glad that I don’t gamble, because if I was to place my bet on Massa last race, I would of lost tons of money 

As for Hamilton vs Jenson, if both drivers are told to conserve fuel and one of the drivers pass up whichever driver is ahead of them, I know they won’t just give it up willing . If jenson was leading the lap over Hamilton the team isn’t going to ask jenson to move to the side because Hamilton is faster than you. We seen it in the pass and we will see it again, they will battle each other for position, and that is what racing is all about.

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Thumbs down This is not right...

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Where is Polo when we need ferrari needs him the most. Think ill send him a PM.
I am here! I just watched the race last night and I was NOT happy. Sure enough, Alonso was faster than Massa however he is not at fault here. Common, he was the best driver this weekend. What the Ferrari Management did took away all the glory Alonso deserved... What shame!!

Granted, he should have passed Massa the right way not under team orders. This is a shame and I am not proud of what was done to Massa. However I completely understand that they BOTH are part of ONE TEAM and this team ended up doing this the wrong way...

What could have been an AWESOME weekend, ended up being an AWEFUL weekend. Shame on you Ferrari...

damn.. I miss Ayrton... He NEVER would have agreed to do what RB and FM have done at Ferrari... Massa has no character and that is something nobody talks about...

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see alnielsen.. "Oh ****, Ferrari's on pole." lol.
Are you calling me a Ferrari fan? As I have stated in the past, I am not. I was in the past (for about 10 yrs), but that ended about 2 or 3 yrs ago. I am actually quite neutral toward any team at the moment. I have been following F1 since about 1980. At that time, I hated Ferrari.
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Further details about United States Grand Prix announced

Tavo Hellmund, managing partner of Full Throttle Productions LP, revealed Red McCombs as the primary investor for the Formula 1 United States Grand Prix™ racing project. McCombs, a business and sports legend, is committing financial resources, experience and the business relationships of McCombs Partners to complement Hellmund and his extensive motorsports’ background.
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The track will be located on a 900-acre site in southeast Austin along the SH 130 corridor near FM 812. The majority of land involved in the project is formerly known as the Wandering Creek property. The site’s natural topography is expected to provide an excellent canvas for the world class facility.


more at: http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...0/7/11082.html

also at: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85604
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...48943&PO=48943
http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/62...-GP-track-site
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Originally Posted by alnielsen
Are you calling me a Ferrari fan? As I have stated in the past, I am not. I was in the past (for about 10 yrs), but that ended about 2 or 3 yrs ago. I am actually quite neutral toward any team at the moment. I have been following F1 since about 1980. At that time, I hated Ferrari.
I dont know, maybe massa felt he might get fired. Looks like that would of happen to Ruben if he didnt get out of MS away.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11007272...der-fire-massa

Nelson Piquet Jr has defended Felipe Massa after the Ferrari driver allowed Fernando Alonso to win Sunday's German grand prix.

In the wake of the Hockenheim team orders affair, the Brazilian media has been hard on 29-year-old Massa, who according to some publications displayed a lack of courage on the anniversary of his 2009 crash.

Heavily criticised last year was Piquet, who argued he was ordered by Flavio Briatore to deliberately crash his Renault during the 2008 Singapore grand prix in order to bring out the safety car and boost Alonso's chances of winning.

"Talk is cheap and it's easy to criticise," Piquet, now driving in NASCAR's lower-tier truck series, is quoted by Globo Esporte.

"But the hole is deeper than you think."

Indeed, Massa has been quoted in Brazil as saying "many drivers" would have acted similarly in his shoes at Hockenheim, and after leaving Ferrari, Rubens Barrichello revealed that he would have lost his job had he not moved over for Michael Schumacher in 2002.

Mika Salo subbed for an injured Schumacher at Ferrari in 1999, and he tells Finland's Turun Sanomat that "they made it clear that if Eddie (Irvine) is behind me, my job is to give space".

At that year's German grand prix, Salo was leading the race.

"I looked in the mirrors and then I saw that Eddie overtook Frentzen. After a couple of seconds Ross Brawn came on the radio and said Mika, we want you to let Eddie go.

"I think it makes sense that Ferrari sees Alonso with clearly a better chance for the title. But it could have been managed quite a lot better, especially when the engineer asked Massa if he understood what he had to do," said Salo.

In his El Pais column, Epsilon Euskadi chief Joan Villadelprat agrees that the team order was a flagrant rule breach.

"Of course, it was very clear. He (Massa) was left with no choice. All the fans knew it immediately, although it is possible the World Council will fail to demonstrate it.

"I remember in 2002 that Barrichello received a threat that it would trouble his contract if he did not budge.

"I think the worst damage is not the fine or a penalty, but that the brilliant work on the team and the drivers to catch up to Red Bull was spoiled by unnecessarily unsportsmanlike conduct.

"Ferrari's errors this year have been too many and too large. Someone has to take some action, to tell the team leaders that it's enough.

"And someone should calm down Fernando, so that he doesn't repeat comments like 'This is ridiculous' the first time he tried to pass Massa.

"We're taking about a double world champion, the best driver in the paddock, a title contender, but on occasion it is necessary to put his brakes on," added Spaniard Villadelprat.
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I dont know, maybe massa felt he might get fired. Looks like that would of happen to Ruben if he didnt get out of MS away.
I thought all of that was well known and documented.
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Cool vid! Hamilton on Senna.

Check it out:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKUXS0OEx5c

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Originally Posted by alnielsen
Are you calling me a Ferrari fan? As I have stated in the past, I am not. I was in the past (for about 10 yrs), but that ended about 2 or 3 yrs ago. I am actually quite neutral toward any team at the moment. I have been following F1 since about 1980. At that time, I hated Ferrari.
nonono... i was just making fun about it cuz u corrected me Red Bull's on pole after qualifying. see I came from the future haha. damnnnn 1980, i wasn't even born yet haha.
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Originally Posted by Mazmart
Check it out:




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OMG awesome thanks Paul.

Great radiohead song to with the Messiah driivng a legends car.



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Originally Posted by Mazmart
Check it out:


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Saw it on Monday, it's from the latest TopGear episode that was shown Sunday night in the UK. I guess Clarkson is narrating a special about Senna.
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nonono... i was just making fun about it cuz u corrected me Red Bull's on pole after qualifying. see I came from the future haha. damnnnn 1980, i wasn't even born yet haha.
I was well into my 20's.
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U.S. Grand Prix website: http://www.formula1unitedstates.com/
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Well Bernie is a greedy biatch, I am pretty sure no one will miss him.

Ecclestone: some teams have been a nuisance

http://www.forumula1.net/2010/f1/f1-...en-a-nuisance/

Bernie Ecclestone has said that some unspecified F1 teams have been a “nuisance” and that the sport would not miss them if they were to drop out.

In a clear reference to the newer teams, Ecclestone said that with the exception of Lotus, he did not understand what they had brought.

“All we ever want is 10 teams,” he told the Daily Telegraph. “Lotus is a good name. I wouldn’t want to lose them. But in general this year has been a bit of a nuisance because it has cost money to keep these [struggling] teams in. It has cost a lot of money to pay for them to compete.

“The bottom line is they haven’t really and truly given us value for being there. If suddenly these teams don’t turn up at races then I don’t think the crowds will get any smaller, or the TV sets will turn off, or the newspapers will stop writing, will they?”

The words will be music to the ears of drivers and more established teams who have criticised the slower cars on the grid this season.
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If only they didn't ban winter tests etc...
It is his fault as usual so why doesn't he die?
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If only they didn't ban winter tests etc...
It is his fault as usual so why doesn't he die?
lol i was saying the same thing to my self. i am like man he is 79 years old, why dont he just die already. Since for some reason he wont retire.


As for the new teams, Its thanks to bernie no one is able to test their cars. So of course more money is being spent on development on someting that may not work out, due to no testing.


Bernie such a douche
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Montezemolo to leave Ferrari?

Luca di Montezemolo could be set to leave Ferrari.

It is reported that French broadcaster TF1 is predicting a change at the top of the Maranello based team.

Italian Montezemolo, 62, joined Fiat in the 70s and worked as Enzo Ferrari's assistant before running the famous team.

He became Ferrari president in 1991, but for several recent years has been linked with a move into politics.

Tipped to be Montezemolo's successor is 34-year-old Andrea Agnelli, part of the famous Agnelli family and currently president of the Juventus football club.

However, earlier in July, Fiat denied similar rumours that appeared in the Milan newspaper Libero.

http://www.motorsport.com/news/artic...D=379653&FS=F1

USF1 chiefs lied and damaged F1 in America - Dennis


Bosses of the failed USF1 project lied and did great damage to Formula One's potential to break into the crucial American market.

That was the verdict of McLaren chief Ron Dennis on Saturday during his visit to the NASCAR event at Indianapolis.

He said British journalist and American engineer Peter Windsor and Ken Anderson, the joint principals of defunct USF1, "didn't tell the truth" as they pushed to debut in 2010.

"They never had the depth, they never had the understanding, they never had the resources," Dennis charged.

According to Autoweek, he said they did "more damage to F1" than any of their predecessors, and insisted that "no one in F1 stuck their foot out" to thwart USF1's success.

Meanwhile, as Austin pushes to get ready for its 2012 hosting of the United States Grand Prix, Dennis revealed that there are two other projects to bring F1 racing back to America.

"There are three very, very serious and separate projects," said the Briton, declining to give details because it's "not for me to share".

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Meh.

They did a lot less damage than Michelin and Max Mosley did at Indy in 2004 IMHO.

Why even comment on this stuff?? You just look like an *** when you have nothing to do with the situation.

That's like Exxon telling the press BP is a bunch of jackholes that can't drill a screw in to drywall. What does that gain you?
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Meh.

They did a lot less damage than Michelin and Max Mosley did at Indy in 2004 IMHO.

Why even comment on this stuff?? You just look like an *** when you have nothing to do with the situation.

That's like Exxon telling the press BP is a bunch of jackholes that can't drill a screw in to drywall. What does that gain you?
Hah, it is a well known fact that Mosley is the sports enemy no 2, trying to steal the no 1 status from Bernie.

I agree with you though, but it kind of is part of Ron Dennis bullish nature to do it. And even then we cannot disregard that it can be media asking what he thought about it in an interview and then published it as him slamming USF1.

Media likes to do that kind of thing....
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Meh.

They did a lot less damage than Michelin and Max Mosley did at Indy in 2004
I agree and I will never have another Michelin tire on my car.
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I agree and I will never have another Michelin tire on my car.

hm... I've never thought about this lol. damn... I have Michelins on mine now lol
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Monaco Grand Prix extends F1 deal by 10 years

The Monaco Grand Prix will remain on the calendar for the next decade after securing a new 10-year deal with Formula 1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone.

The iconic Monte Carlo street race, won by Red Bull's Mark Webber in 2010, will next be held on 29 May in 2011.

Ecclestone previously suggested F1 did not need Monaco, saying: "We can do without Monaco, they don't pay enough."

But Ecclestone met Automobile Club de Monaco president Michel Boeri in London and agreed the new deal.

The Monaco Grand Prix dates back to 1929 and the new deal will ensure F1 returns to Monaco every year until 2020.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/moto...ne/8865362.stm

Also, many of the teams are calling for the end of the team orders ban.
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I wonder if this is just for the press or if Bernie intentionally tries to **** off everyone involved in the sport? They make a lot more money in NASCAR yaknow.
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Pos Driver Team Time Laps


1. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1:20.976 29
2. Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:21.106 + 0.130 27
3. Kubica Renault 1:22.072 + 1.096 21
4. Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.444 + 1.468 17
5. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:22.601 + 1.625 25
6. de la Rosa Sauber-Ferrari 1:22.764 + 1.788 24
7. Alonso Ferrari 1:22.772 + 1.796 25
8. Rosberg Mercedes 1:22.777 + 1.801 25
9. Schumacher Mercedes 1:22.792 + 1.816 26
10. Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:22.966 + 1.990 25
11. Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:23.003 + 2.027 19
12. Massa Ferrari 1:23.007 + 2.031 26
13. Petrov Renault 1:23.249 + 2.273 24
14. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:23.327 + 2.351 23
15. di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:23.520 + 2.544 19
16. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:23.780 + 2.804 22
17. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:23.868 + 2.892 28
18. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:24.075 + 3.099 15
19. Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1:25.032 + 4.056 22
20. Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1:25.210 + 4.234 23
21. Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:25.990 + 5.014 21
22. di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 1:26.686 + 5.710 17
23. Senna HRT-Cosworth 1:26.990 + 6.014 34
24. Yamamoto HRT-Cosworth 1:28.157 + 7.181 24



Practice One - Red Bull out in front in Hungary

Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber looked to be in a world of their own round the Hungaroring on Friday morning in the opening practice session for the Hungarian Grand Prix. They traded fastest times a second clear of their closest rivals, and ended the 90-minute session with Vettel fractionally ahead with 1m 20.976s to 1m 21.106s.

So far the Ferraris have got nowhere near their pace, and the strongest challenger was Robert Kubica who wheeled his Renault round in 1m 22.072s to head Jenson Button’s McLaren (1m 22.444s), Rubens Barrichello’s Williams (1m 22.601s), Pedro de la Rosa’s BMW Sauber (1m 22.764s), Fernando Alonso’s Ferrari (1m 22.772s), Nico Rosberg’s Mercedes (1m 22.777s), Michael Schumacher’s Mercedes (1m 22.792s) and Nico Hulkenberg’s Williams (1m 22.966s).

Behind them, Adrian Sutil continued on-track development of Force India’s blown diffuser and lapped his VJM03 in 1m 23.003s. Team mate Vitantonio Liuzzi doesn’t get the new component this weekend because there’s only one, and he didn’t get to drive this morning either, as Paul di Resta again took his place to learn an unfamiliar track. The Scot was 15th on 1m 23.520s.

Between them, Felipe Massa was 12th in the second Ferrari on 1m 23.007s, then came Vitaly Petrov who spun his Renault exiting the last corner but managed to avoid contact with the pit wall; he lapped in 1m 23.249s. Kamui Kobayashi was behind him, with 1m 23.327s for BMW Sauber.

Sebastien Buemi and Jaime Alguersuari were 16th and 17th for Toro Rosso, with respective laps of 1m 23.780s and 1m 23.868s, and Lewis Hamilton was a troubled 18th on 1m 24.075s for McLaren.

Jarno Trulli and Heikki Kovalainen headed the new teams in their Lotuses, with 1m 25.032s and 1m 25.210s, then came the Virgins of Timo Glock and Lucas di Grassi on 1m 25.990s and 1m 26.686s. Bruno Senna and Sakon Yamamoto brought up the rear for HRT, with 1m 26.990s and 1m 28.157s.

Apart from Petrov’s spin, the only other incident of note was Sutil’s early rotation in Turn Two.
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...0/7/11092.html

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