Official 2010 Formula 1 Season Discussion
06-30-2010, 06:15 PM
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What did the FIA do when Hamilton hit kimi in the pit lane a couple of years ago? what did they do when he pushed his car during the qualifying?
Those are violations of the rules, same applies for passing the safety car etc.
He's getting away with murder because this championship is so full of rules and bullshit that interpretation plays a higher role than racing itself.
It's happening the same exact thing that happened during ferrari's reign 5years or so ago, only this time you have 2 racers (Vettel and Hamilton) that are being held up proud and above the rules because they're champions and make the sport interesting imho.
This sucks and I really miss the old days when this sport was not a franchise.
What did the FIA do when Hamilton hit kimi in the pit lane a couple of years ago? what did they do when he pushed his car during the qualifying?
Those are violations of the rules, same applies for passing the safety car etc.
He's getting away with murder because this championship is so full of rules and bullshit that interpretation plays a higher role than racing itself.
It's happening the same exact thing that happened during ferrari's reign 5years or so ago, only this time you have 2 racers (Vettel and Hamilton) that are being held up proud and above the rules because they're champions and make the sport interesting imho.
This sucks and I really miss the old days when this sport was not a franchise.
06-30-2010, 07:05 PM
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@alfy:
What did the FIA do when Hamilton hit kimi in the pit lane a couple of years ago? what did they do when he pushed his car during the qualifying?
Those are violations of the rules, same applies for passing the safety car etc.
He's getting away with murder because this championship is so full of rules and bullshit that interpretation plays a higher role than racing itself.
It's happening the same exact thing that happened during ferrari's reign 5years or so ago, only this time you have 2 racers (Vettel and Hamilton) that are being held up proud and above the rules because they're champions and make the sport interesting imho.
This sucks and I really miss the old days when this sport was not a franchise.
What did the FIA do when Hamilton hit kimi in the pit lane a couple of years ago? what did they do when he pushed his car during the qualifying?
Those are violations of the rules, same applies for passing the safety car etc.
He's getting away with murder because this championship is so full of rules and bullshit that interpretation plays a higher role than racing itself.
It's happening the same exact thing that happened during ferrari's reign 5years or so ago, only this time you have 2 racers (Vettel and Hamilton) that are being held up proud and above the rules because they're champions and make the sport interesting imho.
This sucks and I really miss the old days when this sport was not a franchise.
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Well hamilton is right, he said alonso must have been somewhere else to allow kobo to pass him. He is not the only person who said that. Hamilton knows that alonso is a driver who could of fended off kobo even if kobo had new tires. So hamilton only stated the obvious, alosno mind was not into racing.
Hamilton could had said something worse, espeically when you have alonso spending Monday and Tuesday trying to accuse of hamilton of being a cheater. We know that alonso has cheated when he blocked his own team mate at the pits in hungry. but at least hamilton didnt run to his blog crying about it lol, which i cant say the same the for alonso lol. cant believe he actually went to his blog and started to whine about sunday race, what a child
Hamilton could had said something worse, espeically when you have alonso spending Monday and Tuesday trying to accuse of hamilton of being a cheater. We know that alonso has cheated when he blocked his own team mate at the pits in hungry. but at least hamilton didnt run to his blog crying about it lol, which i cant say the same the for alonso lol. cant believe he actually went to his blog and started to whine about sunday race, what a child
BTW, Hamilton's no saint either. Lying to the FIA is a bad, bad thing.
I hope at some point this season the Ferrari chassis is on par with McLaren. Hamilton against Alonso in equal cars would be a fun race to see again.
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07-01-2010, 12:36 AM
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I know you directed this at alfy but I also want to butt in on the discussion.
That was an accident. Hamilton would have hit the Sauber straight ahead if he had continued. He realized his mistake, slammed the brakes and dodged into Kimi.
There was no ill intentions, just a driver busy with other things. That he was the dofus of the season with that crash, no doubt about it. But it was a race incident (pit-lane-incident anyone?) and had nothing to do with braking rules.
And to do this to take out Kimi, hardly. Hamilton was still in a good position to win the race.
Well his team did fill up the car with fuel and then told him to turn off the ignition. Fault McLaren for going too much on the limit here with bad calculations but it was their intention that the car should manage to goal. It was just after the qualifying lap they realized, **** we are really running out of fuel.
If they run out of fuel then there is a certain grid placement penalty (i think that is the penalty). So to save themselves they tell Hamilton to shut off the engine. Now that was, permitted then (i.e. no grid penalty) but FIA is looking over those rules too.
Getting away with murder is a strong term when the two examples you have given is a race incident and one following the teams orders. Even the latest one with the safety car here was on the limit of being permitted.
So I would like to object to the statement "he is getting away with murder" and rather say "he is making so small infractions that he is getting away with it".
There was no ill intentions, just a driver busy with other things. That he was the dofus of the season with that crash, no doubt about it. But it was a race incident (pit-lane-incident anyone?) and had nothing to do with braking rules.
And to do this to take out Kimi, hardly. Hamilton was still in a good position to win the race.
Well his team did fill up the car with fuel and then told him to turn off the ignition. Fault McLaren for going too much on the limit here with bad calculations but it was their intention that the car should manage to goal. It was just after the qualifying lap they realized, **** we are really running out of fuel.
If they run out of fuel then there is a certain grid placement penalty (i think that is the penalty). So to save themselves they tell Hamilton to shut off the engine. Now that was, permitted then (i.e. no grid penalty) but FIA is looking over those rules too.
So I would like to object to the statement "he is getting away with murder" and rather say "he is making so small infractions that he is getting away with it".
07-01-2010, 12:41 AM
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Alonso blocked Hamilton because Hamilton didn't follow team orders out on the track which hurt Alonso's qualifying attempt. Both drivers were at each others throats that season. That said I don't agree with what went down and Alonso was a baby while at McLaren. If he would've just shut up and drove the car who knows how that season might have turned out points-wise.
BTW, Hamilton's no saint either. Lying to the FIA is a bad, bad thing.
I hope at some point this season the Ferrari chassis is on par with McLaren. Hamilton against Alonso in equal cars would be a fun race to see again.
BTW, Hamilton's no saint either. Lying to the FIA is a bad, bad thing.
I hope at some point this season the Ferrari chassis is on par with McLaren. Hamilton against Alonso in equal cars would be a fun race to see again.
And yeah Hamilton did a very stupid move there, lying to the FIA. I think he learned his lesson too.
07-01-2010, 02:52 AM
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Nope, that's the age i didn't like of F1 
Go a bit more back in time, when I was a toddler!
To hamilton's fanbois (Per, Alfy etc ): You should admit that whatever happens to Hamilton these years is always depicted as irrelevant. Fact is that McLaren is now what Ferrari once was politically speaking. That's why they also got away with the spy scandal without too much noise.
In the end i wish we could watch a real series and not a franchise, again. Racing s racing and the rules should be easy and simple to interpret.
Go a bit more back in time, when I was a toddler!
To hamilton's fanbois (Per, Alfy etc ): You should admit that whatever happens to Hamilton these years is always depicted as irrelevant. Fact is that McLaren is now what Ferrari once was politically speaking. That's why they also got away with the spy scandal without too much noise.
In the end i wish we could watch a real series and not a franchise, again. Racing s racing and the rules should be easy and simple to interpret.
07-01-2010, 07:00 AM
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Nope, that's the age i didn't like of F1
Go a bit more back in time, when I was a toddler!
To hamilton's fanbois (Per, Alfy etc ): You should admit that whatever happens to Hamilton these years is always depicted as irrelevant. Fact is that McLaren is now what Ferrari once was politically speaking. That's why they also got away with the spy scandal without too much noise.
In the end i wish we could watch a real series and not a franchise, again. Racing s racing and the rules should be easy and simple to interpret.
Go a bit more back in time, when I was a toddler!
To hamilton's fanbois (Per, Alfy etc ): You should admit that whatever happens to Hamilton these years is always depicted as irrelevant. Fact is that McLaren is now what Ferrari once was politically speaking. That's why they also got away with the spy scandal without too much noise.
In the end i wish we could watch a real series and not a franchise, again. Racing s racing and the rules should be easy and simple to interpret.
McLaren were fined and disqualified for the entire constructors championship (which they would have won otherwise). I don't know how much more you would want to add to that but fine and total disqualification sounds pretty fair to me.
The only reason the drivers weren't disqualified was because they claimed they had no knowledge of it. I am dubious but even if they had knowledge of it they probably weren't in a position to change anything. That goes for both Alonso and Hamilton. It was in 2007 right? I know that Alonso was one of the drivers, but I don't know if the other was Hamilton since I had not started following F1 back then.
And for lying to FIA the penalty should be harsher. I can still understand why he was tempted to do so but he should not have given in. Although he did apologize, an apology I believe was genuine, and he seemed to feel really bad about it. So at least the pressure made him learn his lesson, but I feel a disqualification from the current race is the minimum there. Banning Hamilton from further races during the season would be counter-productive since FIA wants more cars on the track, not less. It would also anger sponsors which have paid good money to have their brand on the car while it is driving there.
I mean if we look at Renault's punishment for the crash scandal they got away unscathed and Flavio Briatore got to take all the flak. So it is not only McLaren that gets away easy, and that is because FIA is in a position where it is careful not to alienate the teams too much.
As for the other things where Hamilton has been in the scrutiny of the press, I actually find they have been rather trivial.
07-01-2010, 09:19 AM
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Nope, that's the age i didn't like of F1
Go a bit more back in time, when I was a toddler!
To hamilton's fanbois (Per, Alfy etc ): You should admit that whatever happens to Hamilton these years is always depicted as irrelevant. Fact is that McLaren is now what Ferrari once was politically speaking. That's why they also got away with the spy scandal without too much noise.
In the end i wish we could watch a real series and not a franchise, again. Racing s racing and the rules should be easy and simple to interpret.
Go a bit more back in time, when I was a toddler!
To hamilton's fanbois (Per, Alfy etc ): You should admit that whatever happens to Hamilton these years is always depicted as irrelevant. Fact is that McLaren is now what Ferrari once was politically speaking. That's why they also got away with the spy scandal without too much noise.
In the end i wish we could watch a real series and not a franchise, again. Racing s racing and the rules should be easy and simple to interpret.
And please dont act like Ferrari never had a scandal s(and actually got away with it ), i find it funny how you guys easiley forget about that.
As for the Aussie GP were hamilton lied. Yah he was wrong for doing what he did, but he also followed team orders. now that is not a excuse its still wrong no matter how i look at it, but all drivers would of done the same, by follwing team orders. But the person who told Hamilton to lie is no longer working for Mclaren , if it was under Ron Dennis or Whitmarsh, I dont think that would of never had happen. Hamilton paid the price, his rep was publicly ruined because of that. I think that right there is a really good punishment for him. But i am glad he kept his head up and didnt let it effect his driving. He moved on and now owning once again.
If you guys really want me to list all lies that Ferrari did when Michael Schu drove for them, then i can. those lies would make Mclaren look like angels.
Ferrari is very lucky that FIA didnt take action against them for slander.
Ferarri is also lucky that they didnt get into trouble by using their car as a promotion with new exhaust system this past week. No one here likes test bans, but rules are rules and Ferrai know what they were doing. There is no gray area.
Well time for some news
Stefano Domenicali insists he has "no problem" with moves to clarify F1's ban on in-season testing.
But the Ferrari team boss expressed anger that concerns about the Italian team's pre-Valencia running at Fiorano had been aired by his rivals in the media.
Christian Horner said in Valencia that using a filming and promotional day to test the updated F10 had been "naughty" and breached the "spirit" of the agreement.
And when also asked about Ferrari's testing, FOTA chairman Martin Whitmarsh said McLaren would do the "correct and honourable thing" by using one of the team's aerodynamic days to try updates on the MP4-25 prior to Silverstone.
"I think that a lot of people like to speak," Domenicali told reporters in Valencia.
"If I have any problem I take my mobile phone and I call personally. This is my style, I don't use (the press) to say something.
"If people want to be more comfortable then I know there are discussions in order to tidy up the wording, and I have no problem with that," added the Italian.
Source: GMM
But the Ferrari team boss expressed anger that concerns about the Italian team's pre-Valencia running at Fiorano had been aired by his rivals in the media.
Christian Horner said in Valencia that using a filming and promotional day to test the updated F10 had been "naughty" and breached the "spirit" of the agreement.
And when also asked about Ferrari's testing, FOTA chairman Martin Whitmarsh said McLaren would do the "correct and honourable thing" by using one of the team's aerodynamic days to try updates on the MP4-25 prior to Silverstone.
"I think that a lot of people like to speak," Domenicali told reporters in Valencia.
"If I have any problem I take my mobile phone and I call personally. This is my style, I don't use (the press) to say something.
"If people want to be more comfortable then I know there are discussions in order to tidy up the wording, and I have no problem with that," added the Italian.
Source: GMM
He is so right, his team just skip the Media and use blogs, fans and the MEDIA to cry to. LOL
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07-01-2010, 09:26 AM
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Oh there was a bit that Hamilton had insulted Alonso afterwards. Apparently it was just the Spanish papers distorting what he said. Actually the first Spanish paper distorted what he said. The second paper distorted the first even further. And the third paper drew the wrong conclusions from the second paper and asked Hamilton to shut the f**k up.
A mischievous Spanish press is ramping up the acrimony between Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton.
Earlier this week, after Alonso had accused the FIA of manipulating the outcome of the European grand prix, his former McLaren teammate Hamilton responded by surmising that the Spaniard was suffering from "sour grapes".
But, in fact, the Briton did not actually utter the words, instead merely answering "yeah" to a reporter's interpretation of Alonso's outbursts.
However, rather than simply repeat the 'sour grapes' expression, which originates from one of Aesop's Fables, Spanish wire agencies said Hamilton accused Alonso of "envidia" (envy).
And when trying to explain Alonso's bad mood, Hamilton had said it was "very unlike him to be overtaken by a Sauber so he must have been completely in another world".
But the Spanish headline writers said simply that Hamilton had accused Alonso of "vive en otro mundo" (living in another world).
El Mundo newspaper combined the two, stating the Hamilton quote as "Alonso tiene envidia y debe vivir en otro mundo" (Alonso is envious and must live in another world).
Unsurprisingly, the AS newspaper responded with "Hamilton: por que no te callas?" (Hamilton: why don't you shut up?).
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11006302...hamilton-quote
A mischievous Spanish press is ramping up the acrimony between Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton.
Earlier this week, after Alonso had accused the FIA of manipulating the outcome of the European grand prix, his former McLaren teammate Hamilton responded by surmising that the Spaniard was suffering from "sour grapes".
But, in fact, the Briton did not actually utter the words, instead merely answering "yeah" to a reporter's interpretation of Alonso's outbursts.
However, rather than simply repeat the 'sour grapes' expression, which originates from one of Aesop's Fables, Spanish wire agencies said Hamilton accused Alonso of "envidia" (envy).
And when trying to explain Alonso's bad mood, Hamilton had said it was "very unlike him to be overtaken by a Sauber so he must have been completely in another world".
But the Spanish headline writers said simply that Hamilton had accused Alonso of "vive en otro mundo" (living in another world).
El Mundo newspaper combined the two, stating the Hamilton quote as "Alonso tiene envidia y debe vivir en otro mundo" (Alonso is envious and must live in another world).
Unsurprisingly, the AS newspaper responded with "Hamilton: por que no te callas?" (Hamilton: why don't you shut up?).
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11006302...hamilton-quote
07-01-2010, 01:35 PM
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F-duct a factor in Webber's crash? - report
According to a media report, Red Bull's first race with the F-duct concept in Valencia could have contributed to Mark Webber's huge crash.
In-car footage of the moments before the Australian struck the rear of Heikki Kovalainen's Lotus show him activating the downforce-stalling device.
more @ http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=375508:F1
According to a media report, Red Bull's first race with the F-duct concept in Valencia could have contributed to Mark Webber's huge crash.
In-car footage of the moments before the Australian struck the rear of Heikki Kovalainen's Lotus show him activating the downforce-stalling device.
more @ http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=375508:F1
07-01-2010, 01:36 PM
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US GP promoter risks 'penalties' for race failure
Organisers of a United States grand prix risk penalties if the race does not go ahead in 2012.
That is the warning of F1 chief executive Bernie Ecclestone, who more than a month ago announced a 10-year contract for a race in Austin, Texas.
more @ http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=375511:F1
Organisers of a United States grand prix risk penalties if the race does not go ahead in 2012.
That is the warning of F1 chief executive Bernie Ecclestone, who more than a month ago announced a 10-year contract for a race in Austin, Texas.
more @ http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=375511:F1
07-01-2010, 01:37 PM
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No Swiss road ban for Hamilton
Lewis Hamilton will not be banned from Swiss roads.
Swiss road crash victims foundation RoadCross, backed by local politicians, called for the ban after Hamilton's girlfriend recently admitted in a celebrity magazine interview to sometimes driving with her knees.
more @ http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=375507:F1
Lewis Hamilton will not be banned from Swiss roads.
Swiss road crash victims foundation RoadCross, backed by local politicians, called for the ban after Hamilton's girlfriend recently admitted in a celebrity magazine interview to sometimes driving with her knees.
more @ http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=375507:F1
07-02-2010, 02:10 PM
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wow someone's really really happy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwij1...layer_embedded
and this *******...
lucky son of a ^*&^&*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o5XkRHvXhU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwij1...layer_embedded
and this *******...
lucky son of a ^*&^&*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o5XkRHvXhU
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