alfy28

LMAO you are comparing hamilton's talking to his team wondering why they are using the strat that he questioned (which only happend for what 30 sec the most) to alonso crying for almost the whole race. They might as well give him a cell phone if he wants to chat that much.

His own team had to tell him to be quiet. its pretty obvious he should of just concentrate on racing. BUt i do give you that all drivers complain if something happens on the track, but they let their team at the pit wall handle it, they dont spend their whole time trying to resolve the issue when their team is the one who does it for them.


Here is monaco radio chat with hamilton
Pit wall: hamilton watch your brakes
Hamilton,: do you want me to race these guys or what?

now if you thnkk that is whin? to me that sounded like a person wanting to drive, unlike alonoso who might as well pulled over to find a pay phone so he can have long discusions about the FIA.


btw a lot of the f1 fans here know i just joke around , but i do not lke ferrari (i do like massa though) and alsono. oh welcome to the club.

RWatters

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Whining is whining so yes I'll compare them.

All we heard in Australia is one radio clip, but if Hamilton was mad enough after the race to tell the media he was going to "find out who made the call" I'm sure there was more said on the radio than what we heard. I think what he said in Monaco was whining as well. You were told what to do, shut up and do it. Don't bitch on the radio about it. That goes for all of them.

They've both turned into cry-babies when things didn't go their way. They both drive with a lot of emotion too. They're very similar if you ask me.

I only support Ferrari as Alonso is there so I'm not huge on them, but I've got a pair of red shoes with a Ferrari emblem on the side so I suppose that makes me a fan. lol

alfy28

So if a person questions his team, it = whining? WOW so if i ask questions in class that must mean i am whining. Thanks for defining whining to me, and all this time i thought i was trying to learn.

Just like Ferrari fans cant grasp reality. its ok bud, we understand Ferrari brainwashed you guys. you guys lack common sense.

alfy28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9sWTl11wPI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_IJS1kk45E

PerSmitt

For what it is worth I agree with you. All drivers who are competing at the top are prone to whine when if things are not going their way.

That said I don't think the brake issue in Monaco is really whining. Thats frustration. However in Australia with the bad call on the tires, thats a shitload of frustration because he lost several positions and warrants whining. Alonso also got a shitload of frustration and therefore also has the right to whine.

What baffles me though is that Alonso's race engineer has to come on the radio and say "No it is not fair, but there is nothing we can do about it now...." with a very long tirade. That on top of how Ferrari puts this as "a scandal that threatens the credibility of F1" really makes me feel that Ferrari are whining too much.

So in my book, whining is fully acceptable but at one point you accept and move on.

Someone who lost even more than Alonso was Schumacher who got a red light after his pit stop and lost a LOT of time. He did not whine at all but just asked for a rules clarification. And that is really strong to take it that way:

http://en.espnf1.com/europe/motorsport/story/21653.html

Oh and by the way, don't take what Alfy says too serious. He can have rough jokes on people

Anijo

Alonso is a crybaby. That's nothing new.


So how about Kobayashi? I've been really impressed by him! I've been rooting for McLaren this year but I can't help but cheer for Kobayashi too. I really hope next year sees him in a top tier car.

I wish I had a hi-res shot of him overtaking Buemi on the final turn, but I'll pretend this is it

dezau

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yea.... i'd agree KOBAYASHI"S THE ****! Guess that just proofs we asians can drive too lmao

btw

Jun.28 (GMM) FIA officials may be considering action against Ferrari in the wake of the Italian team's post-Valencia outbursts.

Earlier on Monday, it appeared the governing body would not respond, after Fernando Alonso accused stewards of manipulating the race, and other Ferrari figures were similarly outspoken.

The famous team's figures are angry about the mere drive-through penalty imposed on Lewis Hamilton for overtaking the safety car, allowing the McLaren driver to finish second in the race while Alonso was just ninth.

But in the past, especially in the reign of Max Mosley, the subsequent cries of foul might have met with a sanction, but sources indicated that the FIA is not considering disciplinary action against Ferrari or Alonso.

However, the Guardian then reported that "a number" of FIA officials are indeed "known to be angered" by the Ferrari outbursts.

Undeterred, Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo joined the dissenting chorus on Monday, insisting the outcome of the race was "misrepresentative", and the events "very serious and unacceptable".

Red Bull team boss Christian Horner commented: "I don't think it was manipulated. The FIA just need to look at the safety car rules in the future."
http://www.f1reports.com/f1/article/6345/

lol... Ferrari & their **** storm.

Anijo

I love that he clearly doesn't give a **** about the reputations of other teams and drivers. He's been 100% committed to winning since that first race in Brazil last year. I seriously would like to see him end up replacing Petrov @ Renault next year or something along those lines.

PerSmitt

I really like Kobayashis driving style. It is agressive and just the style I like in a driver. But Petrov has done good in Renault and been steadily improving so I don't think Renault should throw him out.

I would much rather see the Sauber back on the performance level in 2008 when Kubica was challenging Hamilton and Massa for the lead.

Rosko350z

I'm a big F1 fan, but don't usually look at this thread. Some of you are more delusional/fanatical than the folks I see posting on actual F1 sites.

I am fairly objective. I'm not a Ferrari or McLaren fan so that helps remove the veil of ignorance that some people suffer.

I would say it's almost an indisputable fact that Hamilton (plus other drivers) did not get a penalty equal to his transgression. We're not talking about other races at other tracks on other years, and who has gotten away with what in the past. We're talking about this race. The FIA should have given him a stop-and-go that would see him drop down the order - perhaps equal to the time he gained by not stopping, and then some.

This was just a mistake made by the FIA. I don't think they intentionally tried to help or hinder anyone. I don't blame Ferrari for being upset. They should be. But as my mom used to say, sometimes life isn't fair. Bitch about it for a few days, then move on.

As for whining, all the drivers whine. I would put no difference here between Hamilton and Alonso. They are both very competitive and emotional. The FOM feed let's us hear the interesting radio chatter, especially the snippets where a driver is getting emotional.

Kobayashi was the highlight of the race for me. He's one of the drivers I root for. When he passed Alonso and then Buemi, I jumped out of my seating laughing. That was awesome!

RWatters

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How is "I'm going to find out who made that call" questioning the team? How is "What the hell? Do you want me to race these guys or park/look after the car?" doing any good for the team either? In both cases it was frustration coming out in the form of whining.

The definition of whining is a feeble, peevish complaint. Both of those fit that description. Neither served any purpose and neither did any good. In both cases he was bitching and moaning, not trying to serve any actual purpose.

I have a feeling if Alonso had said those you would have a completely different viewpoint on them. If I'm brainwashed so are you.

Edit: Just so it's known I'm not taking this very seriously. I'm enjoying this conversation!

alfy28

Glad you feel that way about us, but let me let you in a little secret. None of us here take this stuff serioulsy, even my friend polo doesnt take this stuff serioulsy . We are just joking on each other that is all.
It may look like we are serious, but most of us have been posting on each years F1 thread ever since Aln made the first official thread. So we all know each other posting habits.

If we didnt joke about the f1 world to me this thread would be boring. But since we all are open minded and can take jokes, this is my favorite thread at this site.

RWatters

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Ferrari is retarded. It's like they forget how much cheating they've done over the ages, and how much the FIA has bent over backwards for them. They take the ball from everyone else and it's okay, someone even tries to take the ball from them and they erupt into tears. Strange, that doesn't sound like something a brainwashed fan would say at all.

Alonso completely lost track of the race and it cost him. He was driving like a 3-year-old. It was a very sad sight to see. I hope he learns a lesson from it and moves on I really do because he needs to shut up and focus on winning if he wants that championship now.

Schumacher handled it PERFECTLY and shows why he is said to be the best of the best. I'm not a fan of him at all but I think how he handled it was awesome.

As far as Kobayashi goes, I don't see any of the major teams picking him up. When one of your biggest stats is how many times you've crashed out of the race on the first lap you aren't going to be high on a major teams driver list. What is it with Japanese drivers and driving like a kamikaze? lol

alfy28

So him asking his team, do you want me to race these guys or park the car = whining? But hey ill give you that, because i am a very generous person. Also you ferrari fans need to find some reason why ferrari is doing poorly this year.

PerSmitt

May I disagree and agree at the same time? Hamilton got a too light punishment, yes. But that happens with the drive through. So I agree with you that it was too light. However, the stewards cannot sit and at one race give a drive through and another race give a stop and go for the same transgression. They have a scale of how serious the transgression is and will give the according punishment.

But as always when a referee has to judge it is a case of the human factor. It cannot get perfect but they have to try to be as equal in treatment over time as possible.

And that is why I disagree with you that it had should been a stop and go. It was not like Hamilton passed the safety car out on the track. It was marginal and had Hamilton been 10 meters (or so) further ahead on the track it would not have been a transgression at all. And for something so "light" you cannot give a stop and go. You cannot punish Hamilton further because the judges took a long time to get to the decision. You must base the penalty entirely on the transgression.

Exactly, and the mistake was that they took too long. But it is once again explainable with the human factor. They had to look at 9 other cars too so if they had 10 cars to analyze then it is understandable that time dragged out. Yet it was not Hamilton's fault that the 9 other cars also got under investigation.

alfy28

On a serious note, ppl blame the FIA for taking to long. Well this isnt football were they can just determine a penalty and give them out what they feel at the time of the incident. I am glad they took the time analize the incident then gave out penalty that they saw fit. Even though the penalty didn't effect Hamilton any I wouldnt had been mad it if was for another driver. People think if this was Alonso i wouldn't be happy. Actually I wouldn't even care, if the FIA think a drive by is good enough for them, then i just hope the driver who feels different just race his **** off.

Question to Ferrari fans, if the drive by did make Hamilton lose postion, do you think Ferrari would be saying anything about it? Personally I feel they wouldn't have, but since Hamilton was told by his pit crew to go all out on lap times for what ever amount of laps he did before his pit drive by.

There are 3 other forums I post on, one is japanese f1 site due to friends I know from growing up, and 2 are just english sites. One thing that all Ferrari fans have in common is they feel that what ever Ferrari feels or do is justified. If Ferrari wasn't so arrogant I wouldn't be able to post anything that I feel funny about them, but since Ferrari is the only team in F1 who feels if things don't go their way that everythign is a conspiracy against them, well they do it to themselves. They make it so easy for non Ferrari fans to poke fun of them.

They are the only team that always tries to change the rules up if things are not going their way. Take for instance, when Alonso car had a DNF due to engine problem, Ferrari asked the FIA to lift the ban on testing. Now when Red Bull had some DNFS this year due to engine failure, they didnt go to the FIA asking for lift on test ban, they went out and worked harder on their car.

You see all the teams in F1 have one thing in common, they are always working harder to make their car fast, but there is only one team who spends the most time talking then actually working to be faster. I don't have to name that team, because we all know who that team is.

These are reasons why I never talk bad about Redbull , Renault or any other team, because they actually are doing something and not spending time talkign trash. I have respect for teams who voice their differences and move on. Ferrari has not been a team that does that.

There is a reason why in the past FIA was called Ferrari International Association, because of the crap they away with. Now that FIA is being ran by a ex Ferrari member, the decisions they come up with are actually being looked into, because if they don't it looks ilke they are being bias towards Ferrari (which in the past it was)

Last year Mclaren and Ferrari said it was going to be one of the fastest teams for 2010. Well one team actually has actually kept their word (since they aren number 1 on the constructor) and one team actually has done the oposite. Instead of using the excuse that the slowers cars are holding up Ferrari , go out and improve on your car. they aren to te only team who are having the same problem with slower cars. .

Now Spa is something that I felt was unfair, because hamilton did give Kimi back the postion, now how long he was suppose to give him postion is someting i have not found on. There are some drivers who felt Hamilton was wrong, and there are some who felt he did the right thing. So its obvious the rules are confusing if drivers are not able to stay on one side of the boat on the matter.

I am really hoping that Webber wins the championship. Even though he drives for RB i feel he deserves the championship then any of the drivers. Only thing i care abotu is mclaren winning the constructors.

Also i like the 2 rookies Koboyashi and Petrov. Both of them are awesome drivers.

ATL-GP

^^I agree!! I really like Petrov though. Poor guy, he'll put the damn thing into the wall during practice and/or quali, but then in the race he hauls *** and gets into the points...and at worst, improves his position.

PerSmitt

*in broken english with russian accent* He is russian! Russian know no fear!

alfy28

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11006292...rari-outbursts

LOL



Oh cant forget to post Flava Flav not sure what I would do if I didnt have to hear from a person who actually fixed a certain race.

PerSmitt

That Briatore has the guts to say something is pretty extreme. That is a fat turd who is totally tactless.

bse50

Hamilton offending Alonso for his critics and laughing for kobayashi's overtake.
He may be british but he surely is not a gentleman.

alfy28

Well hamilton is right, he said alonso must have been somewhere else to allow kobo to pass him. He is not the only person who said that. Hamilton knows that alonso is a driver who could of fended off kobo even if kobo had new tires. So hamilton only stated the obvious, alosno mind was not into racing.

Hamilton could had said something worse, espeically when you have alonso spending Monday and Tuesday trying to accuse of hamilton of being a cheater. We know that alonso has cheated when he blocked his own team mate at the pits in hungry. but at least hamilton didnt run to his blog crying about it lol, which i cant say the same the for alonso lol. cant believe he actually went to his blog and started to whine about sunday race, what a child

alfy28

ATL-GP

SWEET....thanks for the new screen saver Alfy, hahahahah

And ummmmm....WTF is up with the bag????

alnielsen

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It is in response to his bet and not paying off properly, in the Audi vs Peu in the Le Mans race. RotaryGod changed it.
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...74#post3619274