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Old 04-07-2012, 10:32 PM
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Adaptronic Select Rx-8 Standalone ECU

This is by far the best ECU on the market for forced induction Rx-8s. Its plug and play, and MAP based. Most rotary tuners should be able to tune this ecu, so it opens up your tuner choices immensely. We are working on several different quality base maps based for both greddy, top and low mount turbo systems. We will provide tech support for this unit on rotary cars. This unit is well suited for the Rx-8 configuration, it properly controls all valves, injectors, etc with no check engine lights. Unlike the popular Cobb AP, this is a full standalone, and there are no behind the scenes parameters you can't control. In my experience you will rarely be able to get over 300rwhp with a Cobb if not tuned in person, and it will take 10-15 hours of dyno tuning to get past 400rwhp. Furthermore a Cobb is maxxed out at 450rwhp. Our customer on here has the highest rwhp Rx-8 I am aware of and he runs this ecu with 100% success.

We have been tuning rotaries for over a decade, and have access to sell and make a profit on EVERY ecu on the market. We will only recommend and sell this unit. We are now trying to keep this unit in stock, and currently have 4 on their way to our shop.

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This unit is designed to retain the factory Rx-8 ECU in a 'piggyback' arrangement, but it is NOT an interceptor unit. This unit is a full standalone ECU. The Adaptronic unit is positioned on top of the factory ECU in the engine bay.
This Adaptronic Plug-In Select ECU is sold with a base map to get the engine running, so all you have to do is plug it in, ready for tuning. The ECU has an internal 4 bar MAP sensor.
The Adaptronic ECU has 'volumetric efficiency' tuning modes, allowing very effective fuel tuning for optimal air-fuel ratios. This particular Adaptronic unit also has 3 levels of injector staging, which are fully automated! All you need to do is specify the sizes/flow-rates of the injectors. No transition tuning problems. There is also an adjustable spark-split table, so the tuner can optimize the firing angles of the leading and trailing spark plugs.
The factory ECU continues to control and/or communicate with the following: - Drive-By-Wire (DBW) electronic throttle (and therefore idle control) - Anti-pollution - Immobiliser - Air conditioner - Thermofans - OBDII / CAN system
The Adaptronic unit takes full control of the following: - Spark timing (fully sequential) and spark split - Fuel Injection (3 levels of staging, with sequential injection on first primary injectors, paired injection on second primary injectors, paired injection on secondary injectors) - Secondary Side Valve (SSV) - Variable Dynamic Intake (VDI) - Auxiliary Port Valve (APV) - Variable Fresh Air Duct (VFAD)
* "3D" Fuel and Ignition maps (32x16 cells per table) * Water temperature corrections, air temperature corrections( with MAF plugged in), Manifold Air Pressure (MAP) sensor for load sensing, Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) for transient throttle response, knock sensing, O2/EGO (exhaust gas oxygen) for closed-loop fuel control * Internal MAP sensor suitable for up to 40 psi of boost * Closed-Loop Adaptive fuel control - with configurable tolerances and loop gains, and conditions under which adaptive behavior takes place * Optional idle control fine-tuning by ignition timing adjustments * Optional Flex Fuel control (requires fuel composition sensor to be fitted) * 3.5mm headphone jack for listening to knock * PC interface via USB cable * Field upgradeable firmware * Datalogging via 'WARI' PC software * Free support by forum, email and phone * 12 month 'return to base' warranty * Many other features!
Works with JDM, European and North American Models. Even works with 2003 JDM cars that came from the factory without an immobilsier
Will pass " check engine light " emissions inspection. Check engine light will turn on with car in " on " position, and clear check engine codes once running.

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Old 04-07-2012, 11:12 PM
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At last, a real tuning solution!!
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Old 04-07-2012, 11:25 PM
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not the best question, but does this work for N/A tuning solutions as well or geared more for boosted engines?
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Old 04-08-2012, 12:32 AM
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I like this a lot, very exciting. Is the maf used at all then? Agh soapy questions, I don't even know where to begin. Haha, this is good news.
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Old 04-08-2012, 12:22 PM
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Old 04-08-2012, 12:54 PM
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Have you guys had a chance to fit one on a S2?
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This is definitely an AWESOME ECU ... definitely superior to Cobb, esp in an FI situation


but please elaborate on this:
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. Furthermore a Cobb is maxxed out at 450rwhp.



Also how would you compare The Adaptronic to the Sprint RE in terms of functions/features

http://www.haltech.com/index.php/pro...-sprint-500-re
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Sounds good ..... but I've seen all these claims too many times before not to at least be a little sceptical .
Proof will be in the pudding .
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Old 04-08-2012, 01:39 PM
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Still this sounds like it has lots of potential

Exciting stuff
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It better have more features than a Sprint RE

I would think it would be more comparable to the 1000 series Haltech...except it will run the APV's??

Would like more info on the fuel injector staging...doesn't sound like it will run 3 sets of staged injectors independently......
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Originally Posted by StealthTL View Post
At last, a real tuning solution!!
late to the party again ....

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-engine-tuning-forum-63/adaptronic-e420c-piggy-back-ems-rx8-190883/
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The MAF is maxed out, the Cobb can be remapped for a larger MAF but it would be a chore of sorts

and since it retains the factory ECU it's incorrect to say there isn't anything that you don't have control on because there is plenty it isn't controlling
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@ comebackqid;

Yes this will work for an n/a Rx-8, and give you full control.

@ bose;

The maf is used for idle control, and needs to be the same size as OEM. The maf is also used for air intake temperature. If you really don't want the MAF you can go to a cable driven throttle body and wire in a standard air temperature sensor, or use an independent idle control motor/separate intake temp sensor.

@ paimon.soror

One is being fitted to an S2 with our low mount system in July. S2 cars are not plug and play and require wiring in. I do have the diagrams for this.

@ stinksause

The highest rwhp I have seen from a cobb AP is 450rwhp, and that was maxxing out the MAF. I suppose if one really strung the end of the maf calibration way out and made it peg rich you might be able to get more. I am not cobb tuner however so take that with a grain of salt.

I have never used used the sprint RE, but based on the link provided there are a lot of differences. First and foremost this unit is plug and play; installs and starts in 5 minutes. Secondly it will control all the injectors, not just 4. The Spring RE is also very limited in inputs/outputs. This unit is more along the lines of a PS1000. You can do gear based boost control, launch control, E85 Flex control, etc etc.
Unfortunately Haltech doesn't offer a plug and play PS1000 for the Rx-8. Those ecus are very nice. I tuned a Rx-7 with BW S475 to 24psi on pump/water injection in 25 minutes a few days ago.

@dannobre;

Staging is all automated. You punch in the injector size and it takes care of it for you. Staging generally is one of the more tricky parts with most staged injection cars. When the p1s run out of duty cycle, the p2s kick in, and when the p1s and p2s duty cycle runs out, the secondaries stage.

I hope this answers everyone's questions. I have sent several of these units out, and all are on running cars with happy customers. Happy Easter everyone.
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So this is a three stage injection?...not a ganged injection for the Sec and P2's?
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Originally Posted by dannobre View Post
So this is a three stage injection?...not a ganged injection for the Sec and P2's?
Correct.
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8 View Post
The MAF is maxed out, the Cobb can be remapped for a larger MAF but it would be a chore of sorts

and since it retains the factory ECU it's incorrect to say there isn't anything that you don't have control on because there is plenty it isn't controlling
99% of people would never be able to properly make that work I would bet.

The factory ecu is used for the following;

The factory ECU continues to control and/or communicate with the following: - Drive-By-Wire (DBW) electronic throttle (and therefore idle control) - Anti-pollution - Immobiliser - Air conditioner - Thermofans - OBDII / CAN system
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Is the stock ECU controlling the MOP output as well?

Does the Adaptronic piggypack over the fan controls..or does it leave them at the stock temperatures?

Also....how does the staging work with the sec port opening?
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What about a 4 inch MAF tube and rescaling? (For Cobb to break 450whp)
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What about a 4 inch MAF tube and rescaling? (For Cobb to break 450whp)
Yes - that is what Turblown is referring to when he says "99% of people couldn't do it"
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The maf is used for idle control, and needs to be the same size as OEM. The maf is also used for air intake temperature. If you really don't want the MAF you can go to a cable driven throttle body and wire in a standard air temperature sensor, or use an independent idle control motor/separate intake temp sensor.

The system sounds promising:

Can you retain the MAF but still adjust idle speed, lambda, etc...? Can this retain negative split and idle at stoich?

Is there a way to compensate for elevation/atmospheric changes?

Is this live tuning?

Can maps be created via laptop without the adaptronic being connected?

Does this come with a guide basically explaining the overlay of the maps and how they relate to one another?

Would you be willing to post some screen shots of the various maps?


Lots of questions, I know, but thanks in advance...I'm probably asking some microtech-centric questions here...
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Originally Posted by dannobre View Post
Is the stock ECU controlling the MOP output as well?

Does the Adaptronic piggypack over the fan controls..or does it leave them at the stock temperatures?

Also....how does the staging work with the sec port opening?

The Adaptronic allows you to control the OMP output. The OMP must remain electronically plugged with this ECU, unless you want to change to a cable driven throttle body and put up with a check engine light on.

The Adaptronic allows controls of the fans if you wire them into one of the PWM outputs( there are enough to control each fan individually). By default you cannot change the fan settings( plug and play harness).

You must open the aux ports before the secondaries stage. You have complete control over when the aux ports open close.
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Originally Posted by Red Devil View Post
The system sounds promising:

Can you retain the MAF but still adjust idle speed, lambda, etc...? Can this retain negative split and idle at stoich?

Is there a way to compensate for elevation/atmospheric changes?

Is this live tuning?

Can maps be created via laptop without the adaptronic being connected?

Does this come with a guide basically explaining the overlay of the maps and how they relate to one another?

Would you be willing to post some screen shots of the various maps?


Lots of questions, I know, but thanks in advance...I'm probably asking some microtech-centric questions here...

You cannot change idle speed with the stock TB unfortunately. You would need to wire in an aux idle control motor( very easy to do), and there is a complete setting section for this; which is quite in depth. You can only control cranking TB position, and post cranking( up to 15seconds) TB position. The only idle speed control you have is a closed loop ignition parameter. You can adjust idle AFR/Ignition timing outside of this too. You have complete control over ignition timing and AFR everywhere on the engine.

Elevation and atmospheric changes are in theory compensated by the MAP sensor, but this rarely works. If you wire in a wideband o2 sensor, and enable the target AFR map and setup the closed loop parameters, the ECU will self adjust just like the OEM PCM. You can also dictate which parts of the map it can and cannot re-adjust.

Maps can be made without the ECU connected, and yes the tuning is live. No reflashing downtime.

There is a user guide, but its more course than what you are asking for. This ecu is far easier to tune than the microtech. I've tuned Rx-7s and Rx-8s with the microtech, this unit is light years ahead of it.
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I see all the 6 port guys chiming in regarding staging. What about those of us with 4 ports? Is there a more economical platform with the same amount of ease and flexibility for those who don't need it? Just want to make sure it's not overkill.

I did see the price, and I have to admit I wasn't too taken back by it. I've easily got that invested in my AP setup after a couple years of tweaks and (re)tuning.
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