8upbad

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I have always wanted a cage in all my cars. If you do it right it will help stiffen up the whole car and help will roll acceleration and all that. If you do it like a ricer and just slap a cage in there then you may be asking for trouble. IMO if you have racing seats and racing harness on at all times you should be ok w/o a helmet to go get groceries. stay strapped in and dissable those side airbags! lol.

bhop

My 350z had a full roll cage in it but was race spec (too many mods) (sits in the storage covered in dust)
I'm just saying, IMO, roll cages for DD are for looks/bit of a stiffer feel/safe feeling but you don't need it unless you ( ENTER TEXT HERE)

They do make you feel bold when messing around on the streets but anyways, just be safe and take your time........
The track is where it's at.

YaXMaNGTO

Roll cages can save and kill you. You're modifying the chassis when adding a roll cage. You're modifying the way the car "crumples" in the event of an accident from what the original engineers intended. Could it save you in certain types of high speed accidents that occur move frequently in racing? Sure. Could it also injure you more by transmitting the force of the accident to YOU instead of absorbing it in the chassis? Yes. It's luck of the draw.

I'll pass on the rollcage for a daily driven car.

longpath

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My only concern with regard to a cage is that of secondary impact (that is, you hitting the cage). When you're on the track, you've got a helmet to protect you. On the street, the cage could block deployment of the side curtain airbag, or you might hit the upper side bar with your head. One of the reasons we don't have steel dashboards any more is because of hazards of secondary impacts, especially to the head.

Also, if you need the use of the rear seats, I can't see how you can have a cage at all.

I know the argument that if the cage is put in "properly", there's no risk of secondary impact. My point is that unless you happen to be tiny (seriously, 5 feet tall at the absolute most) I don't see where there is enough room inside the car to put a "proper" cage installation that is far enough away from you that there would be no risk of secondary impact.

olddragger

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With over 30 yrs of health care experience with 20 yrs in a trauma e.r.
"DONT DO IT"!
OD

TheWulf

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Just drive with a helmet all the time

Vlaze

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^ I might do that just to freak people out on the road.


But I have no need to put a roll cage in my car. Just mentioned my experience with them in racing.

danatkins8605

ok if someone would want a set of nice more comfortable seats and 5 point harness how do you install them in an 8 cause there is no bpillar for a harness bar

expo1

I have seen a few people here use the rear LATCH system mount points. That however is EXTREMELY unsafe. Those mount points are not designed for Adults and the angle the shoulder belts would be at is unsafe in the event of an accident. For those reasons i put in the autopower bolt in bar.

danatkins8605

dam that interior looks nice what about the stock bar down below the back door could you use that to mount your harness then bolt a clip into trans. tunnel for the other side like you would with the front submarine strap

Fate710

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Just to go a little further onto what Flashwing said, most companies that I've talked to that install/build roll cages for our cars, want to remove the side air bags, so they won't deploy into the cage.

Fate710

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This is not true. If that was the case, then a Corvette/Ferrari/Porsche couldn't replace their steering wheels or install roll cages and still be street legal.


Also, you can disable passenger air bags in alot of newer trucks w/ just the turn of a key.

Fate710

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I'm personally going to be putting a 6-point cage in my car, which I daily(I've dailied a few cage'd cars before), but once I get enough done to the car and my personal experience in drifting up, the car will get a full race cage w/ nascar style door bars.

Flashwing

My understanding regarding safety systems deals specifically with their removal. IIRC, no professional shop or dealership can remove your safety systems legally. There's nothing stopping the owner of the vehicle from removing them however. Mind you this is for a street driven vehicle.

Fate710

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Flash,

As far as I know, and understand, a shop can remove the safety restraint systems, if you sign some type of waiver saying the car is for offroad use only.

What I was merely stating, it is not a crime to operate a vehicle without airbags in operational standards. It doesn't matter who/what disabled them, but if they are non-functioning, and you are pulled over, you can not be ticketed because your air bags don't work.

bhop

We will be stripping down my 8 to add a 6-point roll cage after the build. Interior will be gutted. This will be a street/track car... I'll have pictures by the end of this year at least so people can criticize me lol. I feel at this point comes a certain maturity level. But in the event of any accident, anything can happen, to anyone.

dannobre

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Get a styling helmet to wear to work....and one for the GF too

tubingchamp

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That'll be my next project, my co-workers already make fun of me for being a big rice burner, just wait until I show up to work with gloves, helmet, and a fireproof suit.

ROFL.

sauceyI986

I see this topic come up all the time, such as myself I like to put a roll bar in my 8 is it a death trap I wouldn't belive so. People have mixed feelings about roll bars, roll cages etc.. The question is? would BMW or any exotic car company put a roll bar in they cars if it was going to be a death trap for the consumer. I think compans would be out of business or being sued left and right. I under stand that people have there mixed feelings about them. I can say when I was drifting and ran in to the wall my head did hit the side pillar on the driver side door. Yes I had my seat belt on while this was going on. The was padding there to to protect my head but at the same time if I had a harness in my car it would have kept me down in the seat to prevent that fr happing at all. I just feel bar or cage if it's done right with padding and such it should keep a person safe.

dannobre

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^ Hey it's your head

alnielsen

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^^ I take it you've never owned or been in a car with a cage. You can't put enough padding on there to protect your head. Empty space is the best protection. I don't believe BMW or any car company ever built a car, meant for the average street driving consumer, with a roll bar/cage. Many car companies do build them that are integrated into the body of the car, as roll over protection.