Bolt-In AutoPower Bar for Future STX Car - RX8Club.com



RX-8 Racing Want to discuss autocrossing, road-racing and drag racing the RX-8? Bring it here. This is NOT a kills/street racing forum.

Reply
 
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread
Old 09-27-2015, 10:36 PM   #1  
Registered
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hampton, VA
Posts: 38
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Bolt-In AutoPower Bar for Future STX Car

So, I've been reading a lot trying to work out if it's worth it or not to get a bolt in Auto Power Roll bar to use as a harness bar. Next season I plan on running CS probably the entire season, but next winter I'd like to prep my car for STX. I'm too tall to stick with the stock seats and would like to go aftermarket so I'll sit lower, but then I'll need harnesses and that means I'll need a harness bar and a rollbar/cage seems to be the only way to accomplish this because of the lack of b-pillar.

So, for those of you who have or who have avoided getting a bolt-in roll bar, what do you think? I've done a lot of research already. Most people give the "just get a weld in cage", but that's not really going to be an option just yet for me. I could do the weld in auto power bar, but my car has a sun roof so once I strip the interior I'll have to replace it for better fitment. My plan is too eventually do a full cage, but that's going to be much much farther down the line and I'll probably be running STX for 2 to 3 seasons before that transformation even begins to take place.

My car is going to be primarily some street use, AutoX and some light track duty if that helps to know. The main 2 tracks I go to max out at around 90 mph for one and around 70 for the other, so not too fast (in comparisson to other cars and other tracks) but now that I have a car with a roof I'd like to get out to VIR or Summit Point some time since they aren't that far from me.

Thanks for any info you can throw my way.
projectr13b is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2015, 11:36 AM   #2  
Registered
iTrader: (2)
 
Solidtrance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Lemoore, CA
Posts: 292
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
IIRC aftermarket seats are not legal in STX, so....

I could be wrong though, happens all the time.
Solidtrance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2015, 03:57 PM   #3  
Registered
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hampton, VA
Posts: 38
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Solidtrance View Post
IIRC aftermarket seats are not legal in STX, so....

I could be wrong though, happens all the time.
Hmm. I'll have to look into it. I've got a few friends with bimmers that run STX and they installed aftermarket seats, but they may be STU. I've been running ES for 2 years so my class knowledge isn't very advanced.
projectr13b is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2015, 04:11 PM   #4  
1% evil, 99% hot gas.
iTrader: (21)
 
wankelbolt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Forest Hill, MD
Posts: 1,043
Thanked 35 Times in 28 Posts
2015 Tire Rack SCCA Solo Rules book, Page 81. From here.

Section 14.2
Quote:
B. The driver and front passenger seats may be replaced with the following restrictions. The seating surface must be fully upholstered. The top of the seat, or an attached headrest, may not be below the center of the driver’s head. The seat, including mounting hardware, must weigh at least 25 pounds and must be attached using the OE body mounting holes/studs. Additional mounting points may be added.
That minimum weight means you can knock ten pounds off the cloth seat weight, 30 lb off the leather seat. Double that if you replace both seats.
wankelbolt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2015, 06:47 PM   #5  
1% evil, 99% hot gas.
iTrader: (21)
 
wankelbolt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Forest Hill, MD
Posts: 1,043
Thanked 35 Times in 28 Posts
BTW, it sounds like your research hasn't included Step 1: Read the rules. That is the most important step. Time spent on that will save you lots of time and money later. For example, weld-in bar/cage is not legal in STX.

As for seat height, I'm 6'2" and have no problem. If you have leather seats trade them for cloth. Cost = $0.
If you can't find a trade try this: https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-do-...r-seat-205255/
wankelbolt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2015, 04:44 PM   #6  
Former Sponsor
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 333
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
keep in mind the weight being added back to the chassis for the 4 point roll bar to install said seats that are 20lbs lighter. In the end you'll be at least 50lbs heavier overall. Something to think about as well.
TotalAutoPerformance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2015, 04:48 PM   #7  
Registered
iTrader: (45)
 
9krpmrx8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 33,730
Thanked 321 Times in 263 Posts
Have any of the Autopower bars ever been crash tested? I have seen a few in person and they look pretty janky to me.
9krpmrx8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2015, 07:59 PM   #8  
Registered
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hampton, VA
Posts: 38
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8 View Post
Have any of the Autopower bars ever been crash tested? I have seen a few in person and they look pretty janky to me.
I saw a video on a subie forum of a guy hitting a wall sideways at 148mphs, that being said, he had a full cage, but he said it held up well. Saw a log of pictures of the Cusco bolt ins after roll overs and they seem to have held the roof up above the drivers head, that being said, I don't really be that trusting of it, but if it would work as a harness bar, then I figured it was worth looking into.

Quote:
Originally Posted by wankelbolt View Post
BTW, it sounds like your research hasn't included Step 1: Read the rules. That is the most important step. Time spent on that will save you lots of time and money later. For example, weld-in bar/cage is not legal in STX.

As for seat height, I'm 6'2" and have no problem. If you have leather seats trade them for cloth. Cost = $0.
If you can't find a trade try this: https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-do-...r-seat-205255/
Thanks. I had searched for rules for STX, but neglected the actual SCCA rulebook. I was pretty tired when I was researching.

I'm 6'2" as well, with a long torso though. Top that with a sun roof and power seats, I'm just at the roof in a comfortable driving position. Cloth seats and the lowering mod have crossed my mind. I've only had the car a month so I'm still digging deep into the options and reading through the forum.

Thanks for all the input though. Cloth seats may be my go to next season to run CS. I'm taking it to an event in a few weeks to try it out and get a better feel for the car. Only so much I can feel out casually commuting to work and back.
projectr13b is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2015, 08:21 PM   #9  
1% evil, 99% hot gas.
iTrader: (21)
 
wankelbolt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Forest Hill, MD
Posts: 1,043
Thanked 35 Times in 28 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8 View Post
Have any of the Autopower bars ever been crash tested? I have seen a few in person and they look pretty janky to me.
I've crashed a couple of cars with Autopower bolt-in cages, though they were front-end collisions.


Quote:
Originally Posted by projectr13b View Post
I'm taking it to an event in a few weeks to try it out and get a better feel for the car. Only so much I can feel out casually commuting to work and back.
What event? I'm at Summit Point all the time and get down to VIR now and then.

.
wankelbolt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2015, 08:40 PM   #10  
Registered
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hampton, VA
Posts: 38
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by wankelbolt View Post
I've crashed a couple of cars with Autopower bolt-in cages, though they were front-end collisions.


What event? I'm at Summit Point all the time and get down to VIR now and then.

.
that poor FB haha.

I'm in SE VA so it's just a local AutoX event. I'm hoping to get to Summit Point and VIR next year now that I have a car with a roof. I've been driving a Miata for the past 2 seasons and I can't fit under a roll bar without extensive modifications. No roll bar means no driving at a lot of tracks, which is understandable.
projectr13b is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2015, 05:06 AM   #11  
Registered
 
hufflepuff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Mid Atlantic
Posts: 334
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Have you considered doing the "RX8 seat lowering" mod, and maybe combining that with a foamectomy?

I've done the seat lowering mod:

Gave me be an inch, and now I fit with my helmet. But i'd like to try a foamectomy to get even more.

I'm not sure you 100% need a roll bar if you go with a fixed back seat, although it's recommended because "you won't be able to duck out of the way if the roof collapses".

I have been doing track days and time trials with NASA and TrackDaze at Summit Point and VIR and autocross with CDC, so I hope to see you out there some day!
hufflepuff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2015, 01:42 PM   #12  
Registered
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: BC
Posts: 129
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
You don't automatically need harnesses for non-stock seats. Many people use stock belts with aftermarket seats, even fixed back seats. You'll likely need to feed the lap belts through the harness slots, or get a seat that doesn't need harness slots for the lap.

Also, if you're looking to get held in better, try using just the lap belt portion of a harness along with the stock belts and the stock seat.
Black2010R3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2015, 03:07 PM   #13  
1% evil, 99% hot gas.
iTrader: (21)
 
wankelbolt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Forest Hill, MD
Posts: 1,043
Thanked 35 Times in 28 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Black2010R3 View Post
Also, if you're looking to get held in better, try using just the lap belt portion of a harness along with the stock belts and the stock seat.
Or use the jerk-the-belt trick to get the inertial reel to lock.

Or, years ago I also used to use just a random three-inch luggage strap horizontally around my seat and torso for autocrossing. Held me in tight without any modifications, disappeared into the glove box when not in use.
wankelbolt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2015, 07:19 PM   #14  
Registered
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hampton, VA
Posts: 38
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by hufflepuff View Post
Have you considered doing the "RX8 seat lowering" mod, and maybe combining that with a foamectomy?

I've done the seat lowering mod:
DIY: RX8 Extra Head and Leg Room (Seat Lowering) - YouTube

Gave me be an inch, and now I fit with my helmet. But i'd like to try a foamectomy to get even more.

I'm not sure you 100% need a roll bar if you go with a fixed back seat, although it's recommended because "you won't be able to duck out of the way if the roof collapses".

I have been doing track days and time trials with NASA and TrackDaze at Summit Point and VIR and autocross with CDC, so I hope to see you out there some day!
I've done a foamectomy on a first gen Miata seat and I could definitely tell a difference, but in that seat I was neck height at the back of the head rest and didn't feel safe in it. Granted in an 8 seat I wouldn't have problem with that. I'll definitely be trying to make it out to summit point at least to get a few runs at the track. I'd love to come out and compete. I don't know how competitive I'll be up there, but down here I've been doing ok in a stock Miata with some decent tires. Hoping to get to that level in the 8.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Black2010R3 View Post
You don't automatically need harnesses for non-stock seats. Many people use stock belts with aftermarket seats, even fixed back seats. You'll likely need to feed the lap belts through the harness slots, or get a seat that doesn't need harness slots for the lap.

Also, if you're looking to get held in better, try using just the lap belt portion of a harness along with the stock belts and the stock seat.
Right. I wasn't sure if the seat belt attached to the seat, seat rails, or the floorpan though. In my Miata the belt buckle bolts to the seat rails and that becomes a problem in the car when installing a new seat.

With a different seat, I think the stock belts would hold me in enough for a while. The leather seats are better than my Miata's for grip, but due to the extra interior room in the 8, I can't really brace myself against the door or dash as easy.

Quote:
Originally Posted by wankelbolt View Post
Or use the jerk-the-belt trick to get the inertial reel to lock.

Or, years ago I also used to use just a random three-inch luggage strap horizontally around my seat and torso for autocrossing. Held me in tight without any modifications, disappeared into the glove box when not in use.
haha not a bad plan. I'm a fan of the jerk the belt move. That's what I've been using for about a season and a half. Lean out, jerk the belt then slide back under it. Usually pretty good if I don't let it loosen up before starting.
projectr13b is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2015, 03:09 PM   #15  
Registered
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: BC
Posts: 129
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I do believe that the latch portion bolts to the seat rails, but I think most aftermarket seat mounts will have a provision for mounting the latch as well. Or you can mount it to the tunnel using standard race belt mounting hardware.
Black2010R3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2015, 08:00 PM   #16  
Registered
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hampton, VA
Posts: 38
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Black2010R3 View Post
I do believe that the latch portion bolts to the seat rails, but I think most aftermarket seat mounts will have a provision for mounting the latch as well. Or you can mount it to the tunnel using standard race belt mounting hardware.
Thanks. Good to know. I'll keep an eye out for what aftermarket rails come with, other wise I'll keep the tunnel in minds.
projectr13b is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2015, 11:33 PM   #17  
Registered
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 63
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by wankelbolt View Post
BTW, it sounds like your research hasn't included Step 1: Read the rules. That is the most important step. Time spent on that will save you lots of time and money later.[/url]

Truer words have never been spoken....or typed in this case.
escapedan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2015, 09:41 AM   #18  
Registered
 
Mr. Pockets's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Champaign, IL
Posts: 402
Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Black2010R3 View Post
You don't automatically need harnesses for non-stock seats. Many people use stock belts with aftermarket seats, even fixed back seats. You'll likely need to feed the lap belts through the harness slots, or get a seat that doesn't need harness slots for the lap.

Also, if you're looking to get held in better, try using just the lap belt portion of a harness along with the stock belts and the stock seat.
This right here is very good advice. I am pretty sure you can get just a lap belt from Simpson, and it'll be a nice piece of equipment.

When I ran STX, I did use an aftermarket fixed seat. At first I used a full harness with it. Eventually I decided that I wanted my hips pinned to the car, but my shoulders free. So I stopped using the shoulder belts and just used the lap belt. Autocross requires quite a bit of wheel-turning, so my advice is to keep your shoulders free.
Mr. Pockets is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2016, 11:16 AM   #19  
Registered
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 11
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I've searched and searched for a simple bolt in harness bar as I run STX as well but have a fixed back seat on a sliding rail. I'm running a five point and would really feel more comfortable having it "properly" mounted. I use properly like that because from what I've read on here and in other places if your in any type of accident with a five or six point it should be attached to some point straight back. I currently have it bolted into the stock rear belt locations... you'd think with all of weekend racers out there someone would at least come up with a decent harness bar.
aulman67 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2016, 03:15 PM   #20  
Registered
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: BC
Posts: 129
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Harness bars typically bolt to the seat belt mounts on the B pillar, but with these cars, the seat belts attach to the doors, making it not work so well.
Black2010R3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2016, 06:25 PM   #21  
New Member
 
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 2
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I'm from MD and I need help with my RX-8

Can someone please help me out ??
Rx-8SV is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Oem factory original air dam/front lip MsKingRotary New Member Forum 2 04-23-2016 05:45 PM
Whole slew of problems and some more newbie questions. MarkX New Member Forum 3 07-31-2015 07:50 AM
hey new to rotaries 1.21 gigawatts!!! New Member Forum 0 07-25-2015 06:29 AM
13B REW swap wiring questions F51 New Member Forum 7 07-24-2015 07:59 AM
{ FS } Mazda rx8 special edition AussieGray RX-8's For Sale/Wanted 0 07-16-2015 03:58 AM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:31 PM.


All content Copyright 2017 by Internet Brands, Inc.
We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.