Gas/Oil Premix Thread
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nah, I think you are full of it, since you cannot stop responding also....you see I just happen to think some of your advice is more misguided than Mazda's, that's all!
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If you check with Idemitsu, or even Royal Purple (since the former is best spoken to in Japanese) you will see that they claim synthetics are "cleaner burning" than minerals and VERY suited to the Rotary. Well, my friend, you have to see past the sales hype and make sure you are comparing apples with apples. (They are referring to old mineral formulas.) For sure it's "cleaner burning", but the ash content is pretty uniform throughout oil base stocks these days, synthetics and minerals. Go check for yourself. You have to look out for the additives, the metals, detergents and other goodies that the oil company cooks add to the brew! Did you know, for example, that synthetics are not that good for carrying soot dispersants, (which is why diesels didn't like them, especially when EGR's appeared on the scene...)
If you still believe otherwise even with factual tear downs showing evidence of the carbon for BOTH types of oil with the design of the rotary then you are oblivious to the obvious. I'm going to stay nice about this and not resort to being mean but, get a clue and move on. Stop talking out of your *** contradicting solid facts with your idealistic theories.
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Even in the midst of concrete facts from years of information based upon people who have tore down these motors showing the benefit of pre-mix and/or running a SOHN adapter contrast to just using what is called in the manual you continue to act like a troll. The only argument you beat like a dead horse is that syn oil is bad, and mineral oil is god which is completely irrelevant and has nothing in common with this thread, re-read the thread title, and seriously just stop.
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some of you guys post a lot of comments about "***"...ur not all gay are you???
You are contributing, nothing worthy to the thread topic. Any thing you "attempt" to contribute is based off your feelings from a theoretical assumption standpoint that has no factual backing whatsoever when people call out on you for providing evidence of your so called views.
Even in the midst of concrete facts from years of information based upon people who have tore down these motors showing the benefit of pre-mix and/or running a SOHN adapter contrast to just using what is called in the manual you continue to act like a troll. The only argument you beat like a dead horse is that syn oil is bad, and mineral oil is god which is completely irrelevant and has nothing in common with this thread, re-read the thread title, and seriously just stop.
Even in the midst of concrete facts from years of information based upon people who have tore down these motors showing the benefit of pre-mix and/or running a SOHN adapter contrast to just using what is called in the manual you continue to act like a troll. The only argument you beat like a dead horse is that syn oil is bad, and mineral oil is god which is completely irrelevant and has nothing in common with this thread, re-read the thread title, and seriously just stop.
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In regards to oil consumption, false. Unless there is a failed gasket, piston engines do not consume oil by design. In regards to overall capacity, depends on what engine it is and this is irrelevant to my post.
technically incorrect, what you should have said is Rotary (Wankel) engines consume oil by design, piston engines consume oil by wear! Both consume oil, but in the grand scheme of things, the quantity of oil consumed by the Wankel is less than the equivalent V6 piston.
Again, you completely miss the point. The only relevance this has is the same debate for what lubricates the engine best not counting the apex seals. The point was, regardless of what type of oil is used, when it's a typical 4-stroke or conventional engine oil used in the normal rotary engine it's going to lead to carbon build up no matter what unless measures against this are taken such as the SOHN adapter which prevents this.
The point is certain synthetics were leaving behind burnt residues that caused premature failure of compression, hence the bad cold starts. It's a fact, get over it! Nothing is perfect, on balance, what Mazda were saying was MAYBE minerals are better for "normal" use than synthetics. That's a fact if you care to research it properly. Why you think they say don't use synthetics? Got nothing better to do?
No, that's not it. Excess or not from what you want to believe carbon build-up STILL OCCURS with both MINERAL AND SYNTHETIC OIL. This again as I stated is because we're using NON-COMPATIBLE oil for consumption that is NOT meant to be burnt. Get that through your thick skull. 2-stroke IS meant to be burned and does NOT lead to carbon build up, excessive or small, period. THAT, is it.
carbon build up occurs because the engine hasn't reached the correct operating temperature for long enough. It's not rocket science man! The OMP's did mess up earlier, check the TSB fix and why!
If you still believe otherwise even with factual tear downs showing evidence of the carbon for BOTH types of oil with the design of the rotary then you are oblivious to the obvious. I'm going to stay nice about this and not resort to being mean but, get a clue and move on. Stop talking out of your *** contradicting solid facts with your idealistic theories.
technically incorrect, what you should have said is Rotary (Wankel) engines consume oil by design, piston engines consume oil by wear! Both consume oil, but in the grand scheme of things, the quantity of oil consumed by the Wankel is less than the equivalent V6 piston.
Again, you completely miss the point. The only relevance this has is the same debate for what lubricates the engine best not counting the apex seals. The point was, regardless of what type of oil is used, when it's a typical 4-stroke or conventional engine oil used in the normal rotary engine it's going to lead to carbon build up no matter what unless measures against this are taken such as the SOHN adapter which prevents this.
The point is certain synthetics were leaving behind burnt residues that caused premature failure of compression, hence the bad cold starts. It's a fact, get over it! Nothing is perfect, on balance, what Mazda were saying was MAYBE minerals are better for "normal" use than synthetics. That's a fact if you care to research it properly. Why you think they say don't use synthetics? Got nothing better to do?
No, that's not it. Excess or not from what you want to believe carbon build-up STILL OCCURS with both MINERAL AND SYNTHETIC OIL. This again as I stated is because we're using NON-COMPATIBLE oil for consumption that is NOT meant to be burnt. Get that through your thick skull. 2-stroke IS meant to be burned and does NOT lead to carbon build up, excessive or small, period. THAT, is it.
carbon build up occurs because the engine hasn't reached the correct operating temperature for long enough. It's not rocket science man! The OMP's did mess up earlier, check the TSB fix and why!
If you still believe otherwise even with factual tear downs showing evidence of the carbon for BOTH types of oil with the design of the rotary then you are oblivious to the obvious. I'm going to stay nice about this and not resort to being mean but, get a clue and move on. Stop talking out of your *** contradicting solid facts with your idealistic theories.
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here's some nice pictures of a 2 stroke engine cylinder.....mmm, looks nice and clean, doesn't it!
...now tell me, someone PLEASE how great 2 stroke oil is!
Even in Malaysia, 2 stroke engines are BANNED cos they are filthy ****, and you all think 2 stroke is better solution???
http://www.aerocorsair.com/id107.htm
...now tell me, someone PLEASE how great 2 stroke oil is!Even in Malaysia, 2 stroke engines are BANNED cos they are filthy ****, and you all think 2 stroke is better solution???
http://www.aerocorsair.com/id107.htm
Did you know, for example, that synthetics are not that good for carrying soot dispersants, (which is why diesels didn't like them, especially when EGR's appeared on the scene...)
Excess carbon build up occurs when the engine doesn't reach operating temperatures for long enough for the soot/carbon and other products of combustion to disperse and be carried away in the oil or in the exhaust. That's it!
Excess carbon build up occurs when the engine doesn't reach operating temperatures for long enough for the soot/carbon and other products of combustion to disperse and be carried away in the oil or in the exhaust. That's it!
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...TRY=1&SRETRY=0
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http://www.kc-synthetic-oil.com/synt...iesel-oil.html
check out this site...if you can navigate your way around the sales crap, you should be able to figure out what they are actually saying! Then let me know and see if you understand it.
check out this site...if you can navigate your way around the sales crap, you should be able to figure out what they are actually saying! Then let me know and see if you understand it.
I hate to encourage this, but a quick google search on "soot dispersants" turned up this...
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...TRY=1&SRETRY=0
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...TRY=1&SRETRY=0
Have you ever turned in a plane. It's not side to side, it's pitch and lift. the gravity pulls the oil down not to the side. I have explained that already. You're stupidity is getting tiresome.
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Whoa! I guess we could argue about what constitutes an "equivalent" piston engine. But in my experience, a piston engine that consumes a quart of oil in 1200 miles is either very high mileage or has developed a problem. I've had multiple cars that would still be near the full mark at oil change time.
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Don't bother, he's on time out by the looks of it and his stupidity just speaks bounds. I pity the people if he's in the sales/service department that rely on his opinionated expertise.
I wonder if he drove an mx-5 and just fooled himself to thinking it is an rx-8
Anymore responses to the airorotary guys? In class we learned the opposite of what onyx was talking about. What a douche.
Is there a way to elecronically turn the omp off when I take the car to the track? I would like to run a heavy premix instead, then turn it back on for dd.
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LOL. Glad he got banned. Maybe when he comes back in a week he will read the rest of the "Warning" about synthetics and semi-synthetics. He is reading half of a warning and turning that half into rule. The warning reads "Do not use synthetic or semi-synthetic motor oil. OTHERWISE starting performance COULD worsen."
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LOL. Glad he got banned. Maybe when he comes back in a week he will read the rest of the "Warning" about synthetics and semi-synthetics. He is reading half of a warning and turning that half into rule. The warning reads "Do not use synthetic or semi-synthetic motor oil. OTHERWISE starting performance COULD worsen."
