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Old 02-06-2009, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by halimsteven
so , i am good then, because i have the MAzsport upgrade and my dwell is 3.5. i hope it last..LOL...but good thing that i k now about this knowledge.
I'm running the even-more-powerful LS2 setup and it will still misfire with too much water.
Just gotta get that balance right.
With a decent intercooler and efficient turbo, you really don't need a TON of water.


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do you guys think that AEM is a good product? because they say that it's a progressive pump, and it's simple set up...
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That is what I'm using. Works great.
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[QUOTE=MazdaManiac;2855160]I'm running the even-more-powerful LS2 setup and it will still misfire with too much water.
Just gotta get that balance right.
With a decent intercooler and efficient turbo, you really don't need a TON of water.

good thing to know....i will really consider the balance....thank you jeff
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Who are the online vendors for VP raing fuels?
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Tell your vp vendor you want M1 Do not run M3 or M5 thur alcohol injection systems.
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Originally Posted by DevilsOwn
Tell your vp vendor you want M1 Do not run M3 or M5 thur alcohol injection systems.

What's wrong with M5?
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READ MY POST!!!!!!
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READ MY POST!!!!!!
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I totally missed your post, sorry man
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What's wrong with M5?
VP Racing's M3 and M5 uses petroleum additives that are shown to destroy the valving in the aux injection pumps. Happened to me a couple of years ago. Need to use straight methanol only.

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Originally Posted by BDC
VP Racing's M3 and M5 uses petroleum additives that are shown to destroy the valving in the aux injection pumps. Happened to me a couple of years ago. Need to use straight methanol only.

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Simple fix for the pump valves:


Or the whole top plastic:of the pump




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Are these the same parts installed on Devil's own pumps or are these upgrades?

Could someone run straight methanol and top lube using these?
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both of them parts are standard in the pump on used with the kits. Yes you can run run straight m1. But we recommend no more than a 50/50 mix. We don't recomend any top end lubes in the pump. Meth is not going to hurt the pump if it has the right valves and seals. And you are not injecting enough to worry about cylinder wash so i would not use it. FWI there are other brands of Methanol out there that are cheaper.

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exactly---i advise strongly agaisnt chasing power with a water meth system in this way. I advise only using it for damn good insurance for us boosted folks. If you want more power then suck it up and tune for it---dont start adding things to the fluid being injected---all kinds of reasons---remember also we have a 2 valve tuned intake(most of us have d/ced the vdi) and if you are injecting stuff above those ports---well --when those ports open there MAY have been some accumulation? That could =NOT GOOD if OTHER stuff is in the fluid.
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Originally Posted by olddragger
exactly---i advise strongly agaisnt chasing power with a water meth system in this way. I advise only using it for damn good insurance for us boosted folks. If you want more power then suck it up and tune for it---dont start adding things to the fluid being injected---all kinds of reasons---remember also we have a 2 valve tuned intake(most of us have d/ced the vdi) and if you are injecting stuff above those ports---well --when those ports open there MAY have been some accumulation? That could =NOT GOOD if OTHER stuff is in the fluid.
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i have kept it in my mind..... it's a matter of buying it, and dyno it to find out ...
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I'm getting one of these kits.. I have a few question, where are people putting their nozzle? are people using multiple nozzles? what size nozzles are people using? 150cc?
anyone have a picture of one installed?

I was thinking of putting a nozzle in the UIM at the top in the plastic, at an angle since I have to take it off anyways to put on a greddy backing plate...

thanks a bunch.
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I pulled off my UIM yesterday and after about 400 or so miles of water/meth spray the inside of my UIM is completely clean. And from what I can see the LIM is very clean inside as well- good news.

It was odd, tho, on the inside of my throttle body there was some sort of dry powder that had accumulated- had a very light green coloring to it. Not too much there, I whipped it away with a rag, but it was odd.
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Originally Posted by chickenwafer
I pulled off my UIM yesterday and after about 400 or so miles of water/meth spray the inside of my UIM is completely clean. And from what I can see the LIM is very clean inside as well- good news.

It was odd, tho, on the inside of my throttle body there was some sort of dry powder that had accumulated- had a very light green coloring to it. Not too much there, I whipped it away with a rag, but it was odd.
good to hear it........i can't wait to install this thing in my car....
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Originally Posted by marcux
I'm getting one of these kits.. I have a few question, where are people putting their nozzle? are people using multiple nozzles? what size nozzles are people using? 150cc?
anyone have a picture of one installed?

I was thinking of putting a nozzle in the UIM at the top in the plastic, at an angle since I have to take it off anyways to put on a greddy backing plate...

thanks a bunch.
dude, i believe there is an instruction for it...i believe if it's stock, you have to put the nozzle between TB and MAF....but if you are turbo, i think where the piping of discharge is. you need to tap in that line which works bettter, but still look at instruction, they will let you know
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just get the BHR throttle body spacer and run the W/M into there.
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thats what i was planing to do was get the bhr spacer
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Window washer fluid??

It 's likely residue...the Alky and the water will evap very quickly...the other crap doesn't
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Originally Posted by Jedi54
just get the BHR throttle body spacer and run the W/M into there.
It's better pre-throttle body..then there are no effects from Vac
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Originally Posted by dannobre
it's better pre-throttle body..then there are no effects from vac
+1.

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Originally Posted by dannobre
It's better pre-throttle body..then there are no effects from Vac
or use a solenoid or check valve and you would be fine.
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A few days ago I "steam cleaned" the inside of my engine by sucking a gallon of water into the manifold through a vacuum line and holding the engine at 2K rpm! Does that count as aux injection? BTW the engine runs smoooooth now!

For those who haven't followed Brian's thread on the 7club forum, he broke the rear engine housing around the dowel pin.
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Originally Posted by Bastage
or use a solenoid or check valve and you would be fine.

Check valve should be there anyway.....

Solenoid.....if it fails open...you want it pre-throttle body anyway

If it fails closed it doesn't matter


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