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08-21-2008, 10:27 PM
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not being dumped on. People just taking things personally
08-21-2008, 11:02 PM
#2956
ok, Miron sent me the file. It didn't seem to change anything:
That's definitely not 20 hp lower
Try 1 hp. So you got it down from 306 and change to 305 and change, nice work. Your efforts are much appreciated.
That's definitely not 20 hp lower
Try 1 hp. So you got it down from 306 and change to 305 and change, nice work. Your efforts are much appreciated.
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08-22-2008, 12:23 AM
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Ok, what problems have you pointed out that need addressing with the Pettit kit Jeff? So far none of the engine failiers have been due to anything but user error. # 1 was Denny, carbon from running to rich was the cause and his motors still alive so it wasnt a catostrofic failier, #2 ?????, if he wants to chime in feel free to but his was due to grabbing the wrong gear and way over reving. #3 phils auto, failier was due to being overheated more then well, how many times did your car get overheated while it was being expermented on with attempts of trying to cool it down??? 220+ isnt good for your car period, it starts the port swelling affect and once you see 225, 230 youve just started weakining your springs under the apex seals and side seals. If you are seeing temps this high you need to park the car and find an alternative mode of transport for those hot days. That would be the best advice anyone could give who knows anything about what there talking about. It will keep your motor intact and is a good way to keep from spending your money on a new one. Ok Jeff, tell us more about your 225 engine temps running to the store and back and how many engines youve trashed.
08-22-2008, 01:16 AM
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MAF tube too small.
Trash bypass valve.
Aftercooler pump losing prime.
ABS bracket cut. (With a Sawzall, by you. lol)
Idler pulley clearance and belt shredding. (That was your install as well.)
I won't even get into the shipping tune on the Int-X.
13:1 AFRs on the original EFI Dude tune.
#1 - "What does detonation sound like?"
#2 - I don't even know who you are talking about there
#3 - Phil's motor failure isn't even in question. However, his kit was and is.
I've trashed precisely two motors - one with high boost and 260°F coolant temps racing a Mustang up a mountain. That was fun, though.
The other was on a cold engine on a cold day. Of course, 21+ PSI was not going to be supported with the E-Manage and stock injectors. Oh well. The next time I checked my wastegate hoses a little better.
Motor three is in the garage. It has 115 PSI of compression after 15k miles boosted. Perfect motor.
Motor four is in the car. 135 PSI of compression and I've run 14 PSI of boost through it all summer.
I live in the desert. Its just a fact we have to cope with.
I lost track. What were you actually saying?
08-22-2008, 06:12 AM
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Huh, mine is not, can't you make up something better?
Again a miss.
From some of the data logging, it may even be too large (or there was a vacuum leak)
This was wrote up here, I believe it was Roland who "discovered" this, not yourself.
I have also heard your own turbo kit has valve issues.
Not with the "stock" water, the water wetter some use has foam issues.
Engine Ice resolved this for me.
Would you prefer it was chewed through for clearance?
Yes, this is an issue, if you go from 6th to 2nd at 60 Mph.
That also is an issue for Mazda N/A engines due to the extreme RPM these engines can produce.
Good, because the EFI Dude flash is now the better way.
Yes, like you said "original", as in beta?
And how many of your "clients engines were trashed by you?
4 of your customers are getting rebuilt this last week in West Palm.
The lean A/F you have been setting up is killing engines with the AP and that is really an issue that was pointed out to you months ago.
What did you do then, when someone pointed that out?
Was that when you published a forum users home address in response, and threatened another until they actually dropped the product.
You screwed the entire RX8 community out of a good product to acquire an exclusive business model with the AP, mission accomplished Jeff.
Again a miss.
From some of the data logging, it may even be too large (or there was a vacuum leak)
This was wrote up here, I believe it was Roland who "discovered" this, not yourself.
I have also heard your own turbo kit has valve issues.
Not with the "stock" water, the water wetter some use has foam issues.
Engine Ice resolved this for me.
Would you prefer it was chewed through for clearance?
That also is an issue for Mazda N/A engines due to the extreme RPM these engines can produce.
Good, because the EFI Dude flash is now the better way.
Yes, like you said "original", as in beta?
I've trashed precisely two motors - one with high boost and 260°F coolant temps racing a Mustang up a mountain. That was fun, though.
The other was on a cold engine on a cold day. Of course, 21+ PSI was not going to be supported with the E-Manage and stock injectors. Oh well. The next time I checked my wastegate hoses a little better.
Motor three is in the garage. It has 115 PSI of compression after 15k miles boosted. Perfect motor.
Motor four is in the car. 135 PSI of compression and I've run 14 PSI of boost through it all summer.
The other was on a cold engine on a cold day. Of course, 21+ PSI was not going to be supported with the E-Manage and stock injectors. Oh well. The next time I checked my wastegate hoses a little better.
Motor three is in the garage. It has 115 PSI of compression after 15k miles boosted. Perfect motor.
Motor four is in the car. 135 PSI of compression and I've run 14 PSI of boost through it all summer.
4 of your customers are getting rebuilt this last week in West Palm.
The lean A/F you have been setting up is killing engines with the AP and that is really an issue that was pointed out to you months ago.
What did you do then, when someone pointed that out?
Was that when you published a forum users home address in response, and threatened another until they actually dropped the product.
You screwed the entire RX8 community out of a good product to acquire an exclusive business model with the AP, mission accomplished Jeff.
08-22-2008, 07:25 AM
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My engine failure has nothing to do with the Pettit kit and I thought I made that clear in the beginning. My engine failure mainly due to poor engineering by Mazda. If blame ever can be assessed it will most likely come down to lack of oil and overheating. In the final analysis it can also be blamed upon me and my style of driving.
I have motorhomes, trucks, quads, motorcycles, boats and NEVER have a overheating problem that is not part related. My need for speed carries over into all of my toys. I guess I expected too much out of Japanese engineering to make a car that will stand up to the area in which they sell it.
I have motorhomes, trucks, quads, motorcycles, boats and NEVER have a overheating problem that is not part related. My need for speed carries over into all of my toys. I guess I expected too much out of Japanese engineering to make a car that will stand up to the area in which they sell it.
08-22-2008, 08:19 AM
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MAF tied to the brake booster.
MAF tube too small.
Trash bypass valve.
Aftercooler pump losing prime.
ABS bracket cut. (With a Sawzall, by you. lol)
Idler pulley clearance and belt shredding. (That was your install as well.)
I won't even get into the shipping tune on the Int-X.
13:1 AFRs on the original EFI Dude tune.
MAF tube too small.
Trash bypass valve.
Aftercooler pump losing prime.
ABS bracket cut. (With a Sawzall, by you. lol)
Idler pulley clearance and belt shredding. (That was your install as well.)
I won't even get into the shipping tune on the Int-X.
13:1 AFRs on the original EFI Dude tune.
08-22-2008, 08:24 AM
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Still ignoring data, even in that context?
No. Obviously I'm even more invested in the Esmiril/GReddy/PTP/SFR threads.
The whole point isn't to make the product "go away". We want to make it as fast, powerful, reliable, predictable and consistent as possible.
If you can't see that my goal is ALWAYS to improve a device, then you really are just sticking your fingers in your ears.
Time and time again, my criticisms are aimed and getting a solution. And, when the manufacturer won't pick up the slack, I try to get other people to take the initiative.
Failing that, I do it myself.
When the DNA wasn't right, what were my suggestions? How about the SFR?
I've got entire threads dedicated to the GReddy. Do I own a GReddy kit? No.
So, am I a hater?
Just read that thread and see what I said about them and their "solutions".
The difference is, there are no GReddy fanbois to call me a hater.
Look at the Esmeril thread. Obviously, I'm a hater. That's why I spent hours with Louie trying to get his system to work. And even more hours trying to get to the bottom of the parts selection and WG routing.
I must be a turbo hater, too.
I have no argument with Cam. Why would I?
When I went about pointing out the big problems the Pettit system had, Moon and the fanbois went apesh*t instead of addressing the problem.
Then, they did eventually. Why that reaction first?
I doubt when I pointed out that ZIP-tying the MAF to the MC that the reaction from Cam was "Oh, he's a hater!".
What was GReddy's response when I pointed out how FUBAR the injector scheme was for the E-Manage?
They changed it.
I didn't see a single person complain that I was hating on GReddy.
When people question my choice of turbo or whatever, is my first reaction (or that of the MazdaManiac fanbois club) to call people out as haters?
No.
You get a constant, unrelenting stream of data.
Obviously, my personal tactic - being brusque - is designed to bring the worst out in people.
It makes my job easier by separating the wheat from the chaff.
If you are smart/cunning you will not get lured in by my tactics and see the quality of the question, not the abrasiveness of the words.
If what I say makes you angry, take a step back and realize you are being played.
No. Obviously I'm even more invested in the Esmiril/GReddy/PTP/SFR threads.
The whole point isn't to make the product "go away". We want to make it as fast, powerful, reliable, predictable and consistent as possible.
If you can't see that my goal is ALWAYS to improve a device, then you really are just sticking your fingers in your ears.
Time and time again, my criticisms are aimed and getting a solution. And, when the manufacturer won't pick up the slack, I try to get other people to take the initiative.
Failing that, I do it myself.
When the DNA wasn't right, what were my suggestions? How about the SFR?
I've got entire threads dedicated to the GReddy. Do I own a GReddy kit? No.
So, am I a hater?
Just read that thread and see what I said about them and their "solutions".
The difference is, there are no GReddy fanbois to call me a hater.
Look at the Esmeril thread. Obviously, I'm a hater. That's why I spent hours with Louie trying to get his system to work. And even more hours trying to get to the bottom of the parts selection and WG routing.
I must be a turbo hater, too.
I have no argument with Cam. Why would I?
When I went about pointing out the big problems the Pettit system had, Moon and the fanbois went apesh*t instead of addressing the problem.
Then, they did eventually. Why that reaction first?
I doubt when I pointed out that ZIP-tying the MAF to the MC that the reaction from Cam was "Oh, he's a hater!".
What was GReddy's response when I pointed out how FUBAR the injector scheme was for the E-Manage?
They changed it.
I didn't see a single person complain that I was hating on GReddy.
When people question my choice of turbo or whatever, is my first reaction (or that of the MazdaManiac fanbois club) to call people out as haters?
No.
You get a constant, unrelenting stream of data.
Obviously, my personal tactic - being brusque - is designed to bring the worst out in people.
It makes my job easier by separating the wheat from the chaff.
If you are smart/cunning you will not get lured in by my tactics and see the quality of the question, not the abrasiveness of the words.
If what I say makes you angry, take a step back and realize you are being played.
A perfect example of my point. 99% of the crap in this forum either revolves around Jeff telling everyone else how stupid they are or trying to defend the indefensible when someone calls bullshit on him. Like I said before, he has the capability of bringing good information here, but digging through the rest of the **** to get to it is getting old.
The true tragedy is that Jeff is an intelligent well, informed tuner (and despite your belief to the contrary, that doesn't earn you my respect.), and the greatest damage he does is to himself. Apparently his lack of exposure to sunlight and time spent seeking lesbian **** have stunted his people skills; this forum would be so much better for all involved and the information he brings so much better recieved if he didn't have an ego that made him feel he needed to be "brusque" because of his arrogance in believing he only needs to speak to the "wheat" and discard the "chaff". Newsflash, Jeff: nobody here is better than anyone else. Some may know more about certain things, but you certainly aren't king. The crash, when it comes, is going to hit you hard. You have my sympathies in advance.
Charles, this is what I'm talking about. I really want to do business with you; you epitomize class and knowledge; I just can't any longer stomach the thought that Jeff is going to profit in any way from any business I send to you.
08-22-2008, 10:24 AM
#2964
A perfect example of my point. 99% of the crap in this forum either revolves around Jeff telling everyone else how stupid they are or trying to defend the indefensible when someone calls bullshit on him. Like I said before, he has the capability of bringing good information here, but digging through the rest of the **** to get to it is getting old.
The true tragedy is that Jeff is an intelligent well, informed tuner (and despite your belief to the contrary, that doesn't earn you my respect.), and the greatest damage he does is to himself. Apparently his lack of exposure to sunlight and time spent seeking lesbian **** have stunted his people skills; this forum would be so much better for all involved and the information he brings so much better recieved if he didn't have an ego that made him feel he needed to be "brusque" because of his arrogance in believing he only needs to speak to the "wheat" and discard the "chaff". Newsflash, Jeff: nobody here is better than anyone else. Some may know more about certain things, but you certainly aren't king. The crash, when it comes, is going to hit you hard. You have my sympathies in advance.
The true tragedy is that Jeff is an intelligent well, informed tuner (and despite your belief to the contrary, that doesn't earn you my respect.), and the greatest damage he does is to himself. Apparently his lack of exposure to sunlight and time spent seeking lesbian **** have stunted his people skills; this forum would be so much better for all involved and the information he brings so much better recieved if he didn't have an ego that made him feel he needed to be "brusque" because of his arrogance in believing he only needs to speak to the "wheat" and discard the "chaff". Newsflash, Jeff: nobody here is better than anyone else. Some may know more about certain things, but you certainly aren't king. The crash, when it comes, is going to hit you hard. You have my sympathies in advance.
https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-discussion-3/speed-3rd-gear-103670/
Notice how his fan club backs him up in there too? They're like e-gangstas.
Then again, he does contradict himself on occasion...
Originally Posted by Bastage
Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
As far as bias goes - why would I be biased against Pettit?
I'm making a small fortune on them. If they suddenly got their act together, I wouldn't be in such a position.
Just think about that before you fly off the handle again.
I'm making a small fortune on them. If they suddenly got their act together, I wouldn't be in such a position.
Just think about that before you fly off the handle again.
08-22-2008, 11:00 AM
#2965
If you guys are so weary of making MM/Jeff a focal point of conversation why don't you just ignore him?
Face it; we humans are magnets for drama and the controversy is giving many of us something by which we may be entertained/humored.
As far as our money ending up in the pockets of people for whom we have no respect; I guess we all better start interviewing every person who works for the companies with which we do business so we can make sure that every employee they have is somebody we agree with or, at least, can tolerate. Lest we provide sustenance for yet another "*******".
Face it; we humans are magnets for drama and the controversy is giving many of us something by which we may be entertained/humored.
As far as our money ending up in the pockets of people for whom we have no respect; I guess we all better start interviewing every person who works for the companies with which we do business so we can make sure that every employee they have is somebody we agree with or, at least, can tolerate. Lest we provide sustenance for yet another "*******".
08-22-2008, 11:33 AM
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To the rest of us who are not directly involved in this discussion, it seems "ironic" that so many other company turbo/supercharger threads are being destroyed right before BHR releases their kit based on MM's set up. Customers will view this as negative and will remember it when deciding on a future purchase.
In the end this is simply driven by money.
In the end this is simply driven by money.
08-22-2008, 11:38 AM
#2967
I think you missed the point.
This is how things were.
They are different now because of my "hating".
Zero.
And who might those be?
By who? I run ALL of the FI cars rich and the N/A cars at the same safe A/F rotary N/A cars have been running for decades.
No one has.
You have no idea what you are talking about and are making completely libelous statements, you realize that, right?
That would have been SWEET.
But, no didn't quite happen like that.
This is how things were.
They are different now because of my "hating".
Zero.
And who might those be?
No one has.
But, no didn't quite happen like that.
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08-22-2008, 11:51 AM
#2968
To the rest of us who are not directly involved in this discussion, it seems "ironic" that so many other company turbo/supercharger threads are being destroyed right before BHR releases their kit based on MM's set up. Customers will view this as negative and will remember it when deciding on a future purchase.
In the end this is simply driven by money.
In the end this is simply driven by money.
For anything questioned in another product's kit, you should question the very same things about the BHR kit. Fair is fair.
08-22-2008, 11:52 AM
#2969
Why don't you take credit for designing the Renesis too while you're at it. It's just as ridiculous to me, but only because I know better.
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08-22-2008, 11:55 AM
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omg, I can't believe the amount of B.S. that is being thrown around here.
4 cars destroyed by Jeff's AP?!
NAME THEM or STFU about these claims. You guys talk about data and concrete facts yet you keep doing what you claim to hate so much.
4 cars destroyed by Jeff's AP?!
NAME THEM or STFU about these claims. You guys talk about data and concrete facts yet you keep doing what you claim to hate so much.
08-22-2008, 11:57 AM
#2971
To the rest of us who are not directly involved in this discussion, it seems "ironic" that so many other company turbo/supercharger threads are being destroyed right before BHR releases their kit based on MM's set up. Customers will view this as negative and will remember it when deciding on a future purchase.
In the end this is simply driven by money.
In the end this is simply driven by money.
The reason I, and by extension Jeff, offer the things we do is in a pursuit to make improvements in what is offered in the aftermarket. TANGIBLE improvements that have actually been tested on our own cars and the race cars that BHR sponsors. At the very least, our criticisms about product offerings in the market are out in the open for everybody to discuss. BHR's competitors are not so brave and have decided to lie about the power developed by the MM/BHR 3071 kit and the benefits of the Yukon coil kit. Pussies. Further, BHR actually offers warranties on its products! So much so that I can't even discuss it until after the part is purchased lest I open myself up to manipulations by idiots. BHR is also the ONLY vendor on this forum that openly invites challenges, criticisms, and input on its own products, in its own threads, from anybody who wishes to express themselves regarding our product.
I have been on this forum for nearly 5 years helping even those who don't particularly care for me much to make better-informed decisions regarding modding their cars and it often times has COST me money to do so. Even moreso with Jeff.
If our personal involvement and the kind of help we offer, as tenuous as it can sometimes become, isn't enough then I guess it's time other options are sought by all parties involved.
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08-22-2008, 11:58 AM
#2972
The nice thing about the AP is that if your intake setup is incorrect, you end up running really rich:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HFovWJhUBkA
Once your MAF housing is setup correctly, your AFRs will go to the desired targets:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5YKErd6MvXE
Both FI maps above were "stock" without any dyno time or special adjustments specific for my vehicle.
I don't think anyone has even had detonation with Jeff's map, nevermind blown an engine.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HFovWJhUBkA
Once your MAF housing is setup correctly, your AFRs will go to the desired targets:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5YKErd6MvXE
Both FI maps above were "stock" without any dyno time or special adjustments specific for my vehicle.
I don't think anyone has even had detonation with Jeff's map, nevermind blown an engine.
08-22-2008, 12:08 PM
#2973
This is getting bad, Jeff I personally have never had a real beef with you--or any others for that matter, but even you admit that your approach is in ways and at times antagonistic. It always takes 2 or more to argue granted, but when you step into a families house....dont start something.
Dont slam Pettit-- I really like Cam and his crew. He is a straight up guy and he personally helps his customers anyway he can. Goes for the rest of them too.
Remember a product is only defective if the CUSTOMERS think/know it is defective. All of Pettits customers are happy--to the best of my knowledge. The kit works.
Now end this, imho you are welcome in our house, but dont come in dissing us. (i cant believe I said dissing!)
olddragger
Dont slam Pettit-- I really like Cam and his crew. He is a straight up guy and he personally helps his customers anyway he can. Goes for the rest of them too.
Remember a product is only defective if the CUSTOMERS think/know it is defective. All of Pettits customers are happy--to the best of my knowledge. The kit works.
Now end this, imho you are welcome in our house, but dont come in dissing us. (i cant believe I said dissing!)
olddragger