Pettit Super Charger Owners
06-14-2009, 09:54 PM
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I don't think I've ever pulled any punches on Jeff either... In fact, I've been one of the lead people in several mobs carrying torches headed to his house on more than a few occasions. Olddragger, I agree absolutely that Jeff says a lot of bullshit. I don't agree with that, his attitude or his intentional choices to pick fights with people. However, whatever anybody else may think, this is not a Them vs. Us debate between BHR collectively vs. who? Pettit? I don't think I could BE more positive about the benefits of the Pettit system in the threads I post in. I do my damnedest to avoid intentionally pissing people off, and my comment earlier in here was NOT an attack on Greg despite his impression otherwise.
06-14-2009, 10:07 PM
#5462
dude, if i was him, i would kick your old ***. you don't say that about someone without some good solid reason for saying it. what you've posted there only shows that MM has the interest of the car at heart. if you took offense to it, that's a personal issue you should maybe work out with your psychologist or family member.
moreover, you're messing with a man's business and livelihood.
the bigger man here pm'd you.
just calling it like i see it.
moreover, you're messing with a man's business and livelihood.
the bigger man here pm'd you.
just calling it like i see it.
06-14-2009, 10:12 PM
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blackenwings---Good to know and that is what I was thinking--appreciate it and i agree it is not Pettit thing at all. Pettit could give a crap less about what happens on this forum.
I also agree its ok to have some disagreements--heck even family's have those--its when the respect is very obviously thrown out the window and an almost "troll" mentality develops. In a way :he that cant be named" is just a schoolyard bully.
olddragger
I also agree its ok to have some disagreements--heck even family's have those--its when the respect is very obviously thrown out the window and an almost "troll" mentality develops. In a way :he that cant be named" is just a schoolyard bully.
olddragger
I catagorically refuse to be considered a BHR fanboi, because I don't agree with all the decisions all the members of that crew make, and I'm not shy about disagreeing with them. That being said, I tend to stick up for Ray and defend him because I've had such a positive experience with him. He has taken so much time out of his day to help me with my car, either learning the mechanics and tools... which as Rotr8 pointed out so succinctly I'm not so great with... or the parts and pieces I need to build the car that I want to see made.
I've had mixed experiences with Jeff... I value his knowledge, and in private conversations with him get along quite well. That sure as hell doesn't mean I'm going to agree or support when he deliberately insults, picks fights with, or undermines other people in the community. He doesn't seem offended when I disagree with him on those points either.
06-14-2009, 10:22 PM
#5464
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Absolutely. The bottom line for me is that I will call people out on stuff if I feel its deserved. I expect the same thing. If I'm talking out of my *** and someone who knows more corrects me, I don't have a problem with that. I will on occasion call out people who I'm friends with on something I think they aren't being honest with, or are laying on a bit thick. My comment earlier about the boycott PM was intended for that reason alone. It wasn't a personal attack or intended to throw someone under the bus.
I catagorically refuse to be considered a BHR fanboi, because I don't agree with all the decisions all the members of that crew make, and I'm not shy about disagreeing with them. That being said, I tend to stick up for Ray and defend him because I've had such a positive experience with him. He has taken so much time out of his day to help me with my car, either learning the mechanics and tools... which as Rotr8 pointed out so succinctly I'm not so great with... or the parts and pieces I need to build the car that I want to see made.
I've had mixed experiences with Jeff... I value his knowledge, and in private conversations with him get along quite well. That sure as hell doesn't mean I'm going to agree or support when he deliberately insults, picks fights with, or undermines other people in the community. He doesn't seem offended when I disagree with him on those points either.
I catagorically refuse to be considered a BHR fanboi, because I don't agree with all the decisions all the members of that crew make, and I'm not shy about disagreeing with them. That being said, I tend to stick up for Ray and defend him because I've had such a positive experience with him. He has taken so much time out of his day to help me with my car, either learning the mechanics and tools... which as Rotr8 pointed out so succinctly I'm not so great with... or the parts and pieces I need to build the car that I want to see made.
I've had mixed experiences with Jeff... I value his knowledge, and in private conversations with him get along quite well. That sure as hell doesn't mean I'm going to agree or support when he deliberately insults, picks fights with, or undermines other people in the community. He doesn't seem offended when I disagree with him on those points either.
IF you think my apology was not genuine then you are misreading again,,,
06-14-2009, 10:32 PM
#5465
This drama is all fun to read and what not...
-Sarcasm-
I don't fully know what's going on. I don't fully know the complete history. I've read a lot on the forum; I have an idea. But all in all it doesn't matter for a second.
All of you gentlemen need to stop getting so butt hurt over who said who and who said what. From what I have seen on all of my individual conversations and transactions with all of you is you are all outstanding members of this club and you all contribute a tremendous amount in your own capacities. Jeff, I never personally dealt with you, but I probably will in the future. All I know is this is all a little childish and I don't like seeing it. Greg has helped me, and the work he has done to his car has inspired me. OD has posted a lot of useful information I have learned from, second only to Old Rotor. Ray has personally helped me and his professional manner from what I have seen has impressed me. And everyone else has contributed to this forum in a positive manner. So all of this banter, needs to get buried, imo.
Get back to the topic at hand.
Rote8, great graph on the MAF reading. Impressive.
OD, you mentioned something about diesel? Why and what?
-Sarcasm-
I don't fully know what's going on. I don't fully know the complete history. I've read a lot on the forum; I have an idea. But all in all it doesn't matter for a second.
All of you gentlemen need to stop getting so butt hurt over who said who and who said what. From what I have seen on all of my individual conversations and transactions with all of you is you are all outstanding members of this club and you all contribute a tremendous amount in your own capacities. Jeff, I never personally dealt with you, but I probably will in the future. All I know is this is all a little childish and I don't like seeing it. Greg has helped me, and the work he has done to his car has inspired me. OD has posted a lot of useful information I have learned from, second only to Old Rotor. Ray has personally helped me and his professional manner from what I have seen has impressed me. And everyone else has contributed to this forum in a positive manner. So all of this banter, needs to get buried, imo.
Get back to the topic at hand.
Rote8, great graph on the MAF reading. Impressive.
OD, you mentioned something about diesel? Why and what?
06-14-2009, 10:36 PM
#5466
He threatened me with that slander BS over PMs once, but what you said is no more slanderous than his accusation that Bill stole his shitty NA tune, or had someone purposely buy his shitty NA tune so they could reverse engineer it. The fact is, they were flash tuning supercharged RX-8s before Jeffy even had an accessport in his hands, and he's just saying that to make his work seem more important than it really is.
Oh, and with his attitude and how he himself has stated that he hates his customers, I wouldn't be surprised either
And these entertaining posts would not be possible if the BHR folks just stayed out of the Pettit threads.
Oh, and with his attitude and how he himself has stated that he hates his customers, I wouldn't be surprised either
And these entertaining posts would not be possible if the BHR folks just stayed out of the Pettit threads.
06-14-2009, 10:45 PM
#5467
No, I was referring to this:
No matter what you believe about me or how you judge my "character" (something that you are completely unqualified to do, anyway), I would NEVER intentionally damage someone's property - certainly not that of someone that has willingly given me their trust or, more pertinently, their business.
As am I. So you had better get over being challenged on it.
I was just giving you the rare opportunity to avoid making (in public) a complete *** of yourself again.
How about you stop misleading people with your ill-founded conclusions - like a "real" man.
06-14-2009, 11:13 PM
#5468
Well, that too.
No, I was referring to this:
So, quod insisto.
I challenge you to find one instance - any at all - that could ever be credibly asserted as evidence that I would intentionally harm or willingly allow harm to come any customer's property.
No matter what you believe about me or how you judge my "character" (something that you are completely unqualified to do, anyway), I would NEVER intentionally damage someone's property - certainly not that of someone that has willingly given me their trust or, more pertinently, their business.
As am I. So you had better get over being challenged on it.
I sent you a PM as a courtesy, not a dodge. I'd gladly meet you head-to-head in any surrounding you please - out in public.
I was just giving you the rare opportunity to avoid making (in public) a complete *** of yourself again.
How about you stop misleading people with your ill-founded conclusions - like a "real" man.
No, I was referring to this:
So, quod insisto.
I challenge you to find one instance - any at all - that could ever be credibly asserted as evidence that I would intentionally harm or willingly allow harm to come any customer's property.
No matter what you believe about me or how you judge my "character" (something that you are completely unqualified to do, anyway), I would NEVER intentionally damage someone's property - certainly not that of someone that has willingly given me their trust or, more pertinently, their business.
As am I. So you had better get over being challenged on it.
I sent you a PM as a courtesy, not a dodge. I'd gladly meet you head-to-head in any surrounding you please - out in public.
I was just giving you the rare opportunity to avoid making (in public) a complete *** of yourself again.
How about you stop misleading people with your ill-founded conclusions - like a "real" man.
Don't accuse people of stealing your tunes when you and everyone else knows they have no need to do it. Don't accuse people of breaking federal patent laws when you and most people with a brain know there is nothing patentable about that ignition harness. Quit making **** up (misleading people?) about other vendors' products so people will buy yours instead.
Why don't you compete honestly and openly with others instead of trying to intimidate people out of the RX-8 business? To put it in simple terms, quit being such a dick
06-14-2009, 11:27 PM
#5469
this isn't my fight, but wth, i've got a buzz going.
whether or not you're correct about things MM disputes isn't at issue here.
i read him in those posts as challenging you to back up your assertions with more than just experience (experience which i respect).
sticks and stones ...
that's weak.
no, mean jokingly that you need a psychiatrist to help you with your habit of taking offense to people saying essentially, "you're wrong, grandpa" (he's just calling you out for debate), and perhaps you also need one to help with your perversions.
that's disgusting. 
dude you say it is ok for a forum member to call me any name he wants(and by the way what i was saying in my posts had a lot of truth in it --go read the thread and see what others had to say also) discredit whatever reputation i have and the work i have done for the community---and its OK?
i read him in those posts as challenging you to back up your assertions with more than just experience (experience which i respect).
sticks and stones ...
Please just take just a minute to read what i wrote. I never accused him of doing anything. What I said was
"I wouldnt be surprised IF".
And he MAY--he MAY not--but IF he did I wouldnt be surprised.
"I wouldnt be surprised IF".
And he MAY--he MAY not--but IF he did I wouldnt be surprised.
So I need a psychiatrist for defending myself? Ok thats your opinion
--but remember it works both ways.
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06-14-2009, 11:47 PM
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What is so interesting to me is how this little community of RX8 owners have managed to corner themselves off from the rest of the community based on a single common factor which is a part on your car. The fact that any of you might somehow feel that having this common element entitles you to some kind of protection against the things you say is arrogant and ignorant...a deadly combination.
Bastage, you've made your opinion about our ignition harness quite clear and Ray has gone above and beyond to point out the fact that he apologized for his over zealousness. However, it's clear to me that you've never had an experience where someone else has taken credit and or benefitted directly from your hard work while you get nothing.
Suppose I "reverse enginner" the Pettit supercharger and then sell it myself for profit. Suppose, even worse, I recreate every possible element of the supercharger and sell it as my own despite it being a carbon copy? Would that be allowable as well? Anyone who has invested time, energy and money into product delevopment would understand the frustration of having that work negated by someone else selling the same thing re-badged.
Fortunatly, a learning lesson came out of our harness situation. We learned that the quality and attention to detail cannot be duplicated because it's only found here at BHR. We learned that our ignition kit and every other product we make or have manufactured has every possible detail addressed.
If you all wish to boycott BHR then you have that right. However, don't expect your opinions to go unchallanged and downright slanderous statements to go without notice.
OD,
I understand we all thrive in environments where we can hug and get along, but honestly you have to make a decision regarding your own statements as well. You simply cannot expect to express opinions or make any posts and not have any disagreement. There are no feel good rules which say we all have to get along.
It's a simple philosophy...if you don't want to be judged then don't put yourself in the position to be judged IE don't post anything. If you cannot take the heat, stay out of the kitchen...etc etc etc.
The purpose of forums like this includes discourse. The challanging of ideas and holding people accountable for their information means most of the BS gets filtered out.
Don't accuse people of stealing your tunes when you and everyone else knows they have no need to do it. Quit making **** up (misleading people?) about other vendors' products so people will buy yours instead.
How do you know MazdaManiac's tunes are "crappy"? Have you or others you know illegally hacked these tunes and observed them? What possible basis could you have for your statements?
Do you honestly believe that Pettit or anyone else would pass up the opportunity to have control of 90%+ of the Cobb accessPORT market? I doubt anyone would give up the amount of money that exists there.
In closing, I'd like to continue to make a point which was made in another thread that involved all this. Before judging BHR as a vendor, consider the following questions. What other vendor offers daily technical assistance to new and existing RX8 customers on a daily basis? What vendor provides real solutions to the problems of the RX8 on a regular basis? What vendor has contribed to the development of ignition parts, radiators, clutches and flywheels, nitrous, turbos, tuning solutions and continues to do so daily?
I await your answers.
06-15-2009, 12:07 AM
#5471
I provided calibrations to an individual in West Palm Beach that purchased an AccessPORT on March 1st from me. That individual inadvertently provided me with the information about his relationship with Bill.
Then, on or about March 20th, I was provided with a calibration that was being utilized by EFIDudes (in Lake Park - only 7 miles from the "customer") and offered as their own that was a copy of my calibration that had been altered (and unlocked) and ported for their brick.
Unfortunately, they failed to remove the text fields in the data dump that contained my copyright information and warning. So, its not an accusation and, as I mentioned earlier, it just doesn't matter anymore because the situation sorted itself out quite nicely.
For the most part, we have been the only vendor that has operated honestly and openly. Everyone else depends on their version of magic to convince their poor customers to stick with their products.
I would never want a competitor to go out of the RX-8 business. What would I then have to compare my efforts to?
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06-15-2009, 12:20 AM
#5472
hahahaha, this is the stupidest thing i've read on this forum so far. all you grown men need to calm down and realize what you're arguing about. i have never seen a car forum that complains so much about the dumbest ****. seriously, WTF guys!?!?
i don't know all the details and petty ****, but seriously, you guys need to stop. bottom line is, it's over car parts. sounds so retarded to me when you guys start attacking each other over materialistic things. no disrespect to anyone when i say this but, SHUT THE **** UP. it's getting old.
more drama on this forum than TNT.
i don't know all the details and petty ****, but seriously, you guys need to stop. bottom line is, it's over car parts. sounds so retarded to me when you guys start attacking each other over materialistic things. no disrespect to anyone when i say this but, SHUT THE **** UP. it's getting old.
more drama on this forum than TNT.
06-15-2009, 12:46 AM
#5475
naw, not really entertained at all. i'm a simple guy, so when i see people bickering, it bothers me. you guys are all great people. i know some of you personally and even got to meet some of you face to face. i don't understand why you guys get so wound up about this stuff and start to personally attack each other. it's not like your wives/gf's are at stake here!!!
what i don't get is why people get so angry over car parts. there isn't anything guaranteed in the aftermarket world. you take a big risk when you start to modify your car, so in that sense, you cannot blame! customer service is a different story, taking too long for a response, or whatever can be something to be pissed off about. just leave it professional, don't bring in personal attacks, that's all i'm saying.
i've dealt with mazsport, racing beat, mazdamaniac, jic, the list goes on and on. i've had good and bad experience with everyone of them. you just can't get 100% satisfaction everytime.
i don't know if i made any sense right now (it's ******* late and i'm sobering up). so i'm going to stop and hope that you guys can chill out a bit. goodnight ladies, i got work in the morning
what i don't get is why people get so angry over car parts. there isn't anything guaranteed in the aftermarket world. you take a big risk when you start to modify your car, so in that sense, you cannot blame! customer service is a different story, taking too long for a response, or whatever can be something to be pissed off about. just leave it professional, don't bring in personal attacks, that's all i'm saying.
i've dealt with mazsport, racing beat, mazdamaniac, jic, the list goes on and on. i've had good and bad experience with everyone of them. you just can't get 100% satisfaction everytime.
i don't know if i made any sense right now (it's ******* late and i'm sobering up). so i'm going to stop and hope that you guys can chill out a bit. goodnight ladies, i got work in the morning