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Carbon8 05-13-2015 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by AAaF (Post 4690073)
I have always had the understanding that 13.3 -13.5 had the highest power? Do you have some more info around this?

And would you be so kind and post a picture if the timing and split? I have WAY to little knowledge around this(Close to zero actually:scratchhe), and would really appreciate it.

Would be better answered in the tuning sub forum

AFR Values
6.0 AFR - Rich Burn Limit (engine fully warm)
9.0 AFR - Black Smoke / Low Power
11.5 AFR - Best Rich Torque at Wide Open Throttle
12.2 AFR - Safe Best Power at Wide Open Throttle
13.3 AFR - Lean Best Torque
14.6 AFR - Stoichiometric AFR (Stoich)
15.5 AFR - Lean Cruise
16.5 AFR - Usual Best Economy
18.0 AFR - Carbureted Lean Burn Limit
22.0+ AFR - EEC / EFI Lean Burn Limit

Kane 05-14-2015 06:00 PM

Mix It Up: Air/Fuel Tuning Explained

AAaF 05-15-2015 07:11 AM

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Thanks, I was a bit inaccurate regarding what I was totally lost at; I was wondering about how AFR inflicts on timing advance and split timing. I got the understanding that by having a richer mixture than ±13:1, you could do some things with these two to improve performance slightly..?

By the way, optimal AFR looks to be slightly different from engine to engine, therefore many numbers are flying around on the interwebz. Attached are a paper from Toyota.

Carbon8 05-15-2015 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by AAaF (Post 4690726)
Thanks, I was a bit inaccurate regarding what I was totally lost at; I was wondering about how AFR inflicts on timing advance and split timing. I got the understanding that by having a richer mixture than ±13:1, you could do some things with these two to improve performance slightly..?

By the way, optimal AFR looks to be slightly different from engine to engine, therefore many numbers are flying around on the interwebz. Attached are a paper from Toyota.

Again I would direct this towards the tuning section.

Series I Engine Tuning Forum - RX8Club.com

More specifically

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-eng...urther-253444/

RedlineMatsuda 05-15-2015 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by Carbon8 (Post 4414393)
Carbon8's Build Thread

I've been around here for about 8 months and so far only good things to say about all of you guys, the knowledge base and information available here is unsurpassed. Just a quick thank you to everyone


-------------------------------------------------Table Of Contents-------------------------------------------------

Post 2 Engine Removal and Engine Bay Strip
Post 3 Engine Bay Paint and Pettit Motor
Post 4 LIM Disassembly
Post 45 LIM VDI/SSV Cleaning
Post 69 Engine Bay and Short Block Assembly Start
Post 119 Short Block Assembly Cont
Post 129 Engine and Bay Assembled
Post144 Engine and Supporting Modifications Install
Post145 Engine and Supporting Modifications Install Cont
Post 223 Engine First Start
Post 230 AutoExe Steering Wheel and Gauge Install
Post 297 Dyno (7/28/13)
Post 303 Dyno Misfire
Post 313 Fouled Plugs and Premix Case
Post 324 R1Concepts Brake Install
Post 327 Porosity Tab Idle
Post 357 More Misfires With Fouled Plugs and Oil Test Report (08/6/13)
Post 377 Coil Dwell Misfire Related
Post 464 Engine Compression Test
Post 514 Chassis Restoration Start
Post 530 Chassis Stripped
Post 537 Engine Compression Test Normalized
Post 538 Engine Oil Test (01/10/14)
Post 547 Injector Cleaning
Post 548 Bolt Restoration DIY (Black Oxide)
Post 549 Chassis Assembly
Post 554 Engine Install Bottom
Post 570 Chassis/Suspension Build Complete
Post 606 BHR Long Tube Header Install
Post 613 BHR Long Tube Header Dyno
Post 618 Fire Extinguisher Install

Now the car, 2004 6 port M/T; original build date 08/03. I bought the car 3/2/12 with 24K miles on it from a guy in SC, now has exactly 29K on the ODO.

Originally Purchased March 3rd 2012
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Last On Road (6/16/14)
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Engine Bay
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Interior
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Current Diagnostic Data

Normalized Compression Results (01/29/14
Rotor 1
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Rotor 2
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Engine Oil Test (03/15/15)
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Dyno; Black is before BHR header, Red is all Mods(3/19/15)
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Coilover Dyno Plot Top Front, Bottom Rear(2/10/15)
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----------------------------------------------------Modifications----------------------------------------------------

Brakes
  • Eddlebrock SS Brake Lines
  • Hawk HPS Brake PAds
  • R1 Concepts Drilled and Slotted Rotors

Drivetrain
  • Pettit Racing Street Ported 13B RENESIS W/ FD 3mm 2 Piece Apex Seals and Proprietary Oil and Cooling Jacket Modifications
  • BHR Ignition Kit
  • Supernow Underdrive Pulley Kit
  • ACT HDSS Clutch
  • ACT Prolight Flywheel
  • Clutch Reinforcement Bracket
  • Rx8Performance Oil Coolers and Line W/ External Tstat@175C
  • Mazmart High Pressure Oil Regulator
  • Greddy Oil Pan
  • Raceroots Oil Filter Relocation
  • SOHN Adapter
  • Mazmart Water Pump and Tstat
  • Ron Davis Radiator
  • FAL 440 Cooling Fans
  • Mishimoto Upper and Lower Radiator Hose
  • Autobahn88 Radiator hose
  • Series 2 Transmission
  • S2 Short Shifter
  • Eddlebrock SS Clutch Line
  • Raceroots Syncro Saver
  • S2 Starter
  • Gates Racing Belts
  • Racing Beat Condenser and Oil Cooler Screens
  • Rx8Performance Motor Mounts
  • Rx8Performance Trio Canister (SOHN, Catch Can, Washer Fluid)

Engine Management
  • Cobb AP Pro Tune

Exhaust/ Intake
  • AEM/MS CAI
  • BHR Long Tube Header
  • BHR Resonated Long Tube Header Midpipe
  • ExoticSpeed R2-Titan Catback

Exterior
  • 5% Tint
  • Stealth Markers
  • LED Parking,Tail, Marker, License Plate Bulbs
  • EFX Exotic Red Hi,Low,Fog HID Conversion

Fluids
  • ATE Super Blue Racing Brake Fluid
  • Redline MT-90 GL-4 Transmission Fluid
  • Redline 75W90 GL-5 Differential Fluid
  • FL-22 Mazda Coolant
  • Mobile 0W-40 Engine Oil
  • Protek-R Premix and SOHN FLuid
  • S2 Oil Filter

Gauges
  • Wideband A/F
  • Fuel Pressure
  • Boost/Vacuum
  • Oil Temperature
  • Oil Pressure
  • Water Temperature
  • Racing Beat Water Temperature Adapter
  • Aeromotive Fuel Line Adapter
  • Lotek Dash Gauge Pod
  • Racing Beat Lower Gauge Pod

Interior
  • AutoExe Steering Wheel
  • Pioneer Appradio 2
  • Metra 95-7510HG Dash Kit
  • Metra Axxess ASWC Steering Wheel Integration
  • PLX WIFI OBD2 Dongle
  • Rx8Performance OBD Relocation Bracket
  • Steeda Performance OBD No Flash Cover
  • Embroidered Floot Mats
  • Redline Leather Shift Boot
  • Red Ambient Light Kit

Safety Equipment
  • H3R Performance Haltron 2.5lb Extinguisher

Suspension
  • BC BR 8K/10K Coilovers
  • Progress Tech Front and Rear Sway Bars
  • Power Grid Front and Rear End Links
  • MazdaSpeed Front Strut Support With Brake Boost Brace
  • Beatrush Rear Strut Support
  • Megan Racing Camber Arms
  • Megan Racing Lateral Arms
  • Megan Racing Toe Arms
  • Megan Racing Traction Rods
  • Megan Racing Trailing Arms
  • Mazdatrix SpeedSource Rear Subframe Bushings
  • Rx8Performance Rear Differential Bushings
  • Powerflex Lower Control Arm Bushings
  • Powerflex Upper Control Arm Bushings
  • Power Flex Traction Rod Bushings

Wheels
  • Garageline 25mm Wheel Spacers
  • Mazda OE 18"x8" Alloy Wheels Powder Coated Gloss Black
  • MazdaSpeed Rotary Center Caps
  • BFGoodrich G-force T/A KDW 2 245/35/18


How do you like the Megan Racing suspension parts? I was looking at them, but wanted to find out what other companies had parts available for it. Any pointers?

Carbon8 05-15-2015 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by RedlineMatsuda (Post 4690834)
How do you like the Megan Racing suspension parts? I was looking at them, but wanted to find out what other companies had parts available for it. Any pointers?

In hind sight I would stick with OE, and if I do anything in the future I will go back to those (Probably the Mazdatrix modified OE bars). Megan has never been a company known for their quality but for what they charge for these bars I would expect more. The hardware corrodes fast, they do not provide flange nuts with their hub connectors so I almost lost a wheel because of the sleeve backing out over only 300 miles of driving so you need to re-use your OE hub nuts.

Their is more than enough adjustment available on OE bars to render these useless unless your slammed in which case you do not care about function anyways.

TeamRX8 05-24-2015 01:03 AM

Mazdatrix doesn't modify those. They are coming from Mazda Motorsports and made by SpeedSource I believe ...

An NA Renesis makes the best power running leaner than the AFRs noted above.

Carbon8 06-15-2015 08:54 PM

Looking for some help, been struggling to get an inspection done before I start my SC build and have had problem after problem.

Swapped, currently getting a P2270 and -12% LTFT (at idle) but AFR is fine and STFT are 0 to -2%. I am thinking I have an exhaust leak on my EGR tube causing this issue.

Recently the only systems I have touched is swap back my OE header and CAT, which included taking my intake off (but I only touched two clamps on that so doubt I hav a vacuum leak as I still pull dead 5.5g/sec)

On other side notes, my rear disc has cracked (after 5K miles) and a oil cooler core has ruptured. So I am having a good time :lol:

logalinipoo 06-15-2015 10:06 PM

P2270 is showing for the rear 02 sensor. You might not have it plugged in correct or maybe pulled a wire loose. Why don't you just block the code? That is one of the recommended MM codes to block. Team has posted it a few times here and there also.

Carbon8 06-15-2015 10:13 PM

Its not about blocking codes, its about getting monitors ready, if I block the code but internally the code is supposed to trigger or something in the system is not working correctly the monitor will not become active.

Plus this is not a code that I would block and ignore when my LTFT have a problem.

logalinipoo 06-15-2015 10:24 PM

The rear sensor has no known connection to fuel trims. Supposedly with all the MM codes blocked your car will reach readynes. Even without the rear 02 sensor and air pump. I am running with all those codes blocked and no rear 02 or air pump currently. I'll see if I can pass or not in july.

JimmyBlack 06-15-2015 11:43 PM

Silly Qs, have you cleaned and checked mounting of MAF sensor, vac tubes connections and AEM mesh screen positions (they can dislodge on install causing crazy trims)?

TeamRX8 06-16-2015 11:59 PM

You need to clear the fuel trims, then monitor/log them as it starts to correct to see what's going on with AFR, stft, etc. Also need to keep an eye on coolant level to make sure your not losing any internally in the engine.

Carbon8 06-17-2015 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by TeamRX8 (Post 4698749)
You need to clear the fuel trims, then monitor/log them as it starts to correct to see what's going on with AFR, stft, etc. Also need to keep an eye on coolant level to make sure your not losing any internally in the engine.

I think the LTFT are going to turn out to be a tune, I forgot I was on the OE tune when I pulled those, going to my tune with a cleared table the where at -3%, but I also think I have a leak in my air tube of the header.

Now just waiting on parts..........................

TeamRX8 09-04-2015 11:36 AM

You went to all that trouble just to put it up for sale instead? Wow ...

Carbon8 09-04-2015 12:17 PM

Logically it makes sense to me at this time in my life......I doubt it will sell and will continue to stay in my garage under the cover for the next couple of years before I care about it.

In a different place in my life, if it sells it sells. If it doesn't I'm fine leaving it covered for a couple years.

TeamRX8 09-04-2015 03:17 PM

It's a good price, should sell for that ....

boricua13 09-04-2015 08:56 PM

Sad to hear you are selling it, great car for the price.

MANIACman 11-16-2015 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by Carbon8 (Post 4583739)
Received all but a couple parts back from coating (Unfortunately split my LIM drilling out a stripped bolt, so I had to source another one and it is off at coating now)


Was able to get the entire rear end back together and a rough alignment made, will be getting an entire alignment and corner balance done once the car is back on the road and I get a rough ride height dialed in. All in all everything is going together nicely.


Also did some minor engine bay modifications, was not feeling the clashing colors of the piping and some other componentry to be updated later


That alternator is a thing of beauty. *As well as the rest but that just sticks out.

ouimetnick 11-22-2015 01:10 AM

Just finished reading this thread from start to end. Amazing amount of sweat, blood and tears into this project.

AlexVarela 12-09-2015 05:36 PM

I've never seen so much passion for a car, i feel the same way but the only difference is that i don't have that much money to invest in the car for now. I love my 8 and even though it gives me a lot of issues i will not let my car down as my first i will tune it and keep it for fun.

Carbon8 01-11-2016 09:25 AM

End of a chapter, Car was picked up on 11/9/16. Was an awesome project and a pleasure to own. On to other things, hoping for another rotary in my not to distant future.

Ill still be around every once in a while, feel free to PM me with anything.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...905/wks4Hs.jpg

GK1707 01-11-2016 01:21 PM

Hopefully the next owner is on here to give us some updates on it.


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