20b swap by scott
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While I'm at it, just so you guys know how this came about, it's all sig's fault. When you pick on a mod, we come after you! Stick, I truly hope this is just some punk buddy of yours and not an alter ego.
Let's see, what do we have here...this is taken from a different thread where sig insulted someone else.
Vlad (rotorocks) being the cool guy he is responded with this to calm him down:
But then sig jumps in with this:
Keep in mind the ONLY thing I said in that thread was this:
https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...6&postcount=20
Shame shame! Needless to say, when this fiasco is cleared up, whatever the verdict, sig won't be here anymore! Sorry. Enjoy it while you can buddy!
...same to you!
Let's see, what do we have here...this is taken from a different thread where sig insulted someone else.
Vlad (rotorocks) being the cool guy he is responded with this to calm him down:
Keep in mind the ONLY thing I said in that thread was this:
https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...6&postcount=20
Shame shame! Needless to say, when this fiasco is cleared up, whatever the verdict, sig won't be here anymore! Sorry. Enjoy it while you can buddy!
...same to you!
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There are 2 really possibilities here.
1: They are the same person.
2: They are friends which work together.
That's really it. Stick shows up under multiple IP addresses so he obviously logs in from multiple places. sig however only has one IP address listed here which means he probably only checks in here while either at work or at home. Since stick says they work together, the former is more likely.
If they aren't the same person, this begs the question, why does sig feel the need to publicly badmouth Mazsport but stick doesn't? You'd think that if they are good friends that they probably have similar opinions. That would seem likely. I know me and my friends all think in a fairly similar fashion as each other.
They each do have separate e-mail addresses though so I'm inclined to think they aren't the same person. I'm also not so sure about the stick's boyfriend comment. Why would sig have an e-mail name of miss luna unless...
1: They are the same person.
2: They are friends which work together.
That's really it. Stick shows up under multiple IP addresses so he obviously logs in from multiple places. sig however only has one IP address listed here which means he probably only checks in here while either at work or at home. Since stick says they work together, the former is more likely.
If they aren't the same person, this begs the question, why does sig feel the need to publicly badmouth Mazsport but stick doesn't? You'd think that if they are good friends that they probably have similar opinions. That would seem likely. I know me and my friends all think in a fairly similar fashion as each other.
They each do have separate e-mail addresses though so I'm inclined to think they aren't the same person. I'm also not so sure about the stick's boyfriend comment. Why would sig have an e-mail name of miss luna unless...
RG,
It sounds like Stick and Sig are on the same network (I.E. office) but different people. If Stick's IP changes that means he log's on from home and from work. If Sig's IP does not it sounds like he is logging on from the office only...as the building/company will be typically using a single IP to connect to the internet.
Honestly though it may be tough to prove as IP's are typically either dynamically assigned or manually assigned (If manually assigned...Then it's either Stick or someone on his machine) and can not prove that a specific workstation is involved. Now if you are able to retrieve the users MAC address then you have something. That address belongs to the physical computer and is not assigned in any way.
Some of you may know better than I though...Just a thought.
P.S. Also, keep in mind that your IP address could be the addressed for your ISP's network. There simply aren't enough IP's to pinpoint a specific user on the internet. Software does exist though that can trace where (city, state, address, etc) on the ISP's network the signal is coming from.
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The signs do point to two different people. I don't have a problem that I know of with stick and the types of posts that he and sig do in relation to each other have been very different.
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yeah, but earlier in this thread you said you talked to your friend, who denied making the post. You also said it was a HE.
So you don't know who in your building uses which screen name?
just talked to my friend. he's adamant it wasn't he that posted, and he wouldn't lie about that. i did complain to him alot about the situation, and he has an rx7 and was considering getting 4rotor by mazsport before all this happened.
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yeah, but I can't say that I have any local friends that cruse the same forums as me, without me knowing the screen names they use.
Also, is your female friend also asian? She uses "jaja" a lot too:
https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...8&postcount=38
in this post, she talks about owning a rx8 and organizing meets:
https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...7&postcount=64
Finally, when you said "He was adamant it wasn't he that posted", it didn't occur to you to verify with him that the screen name that posted was the one he uses?
Also, is your female friend also asian? She uses "jaja" a lot too:
https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...8&postcount=38
in this post, she talks about owning a rx8 and organizing meets:
https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...7&postcount=64
Finally, when you said "He was adamant it wasn't he that posted", it didn't occur to you to verify with him that the screen name that posted was the one he uses?
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mysql, she's a friend of mine. i'm not calling her a blatant liar.
and i don't know about you, but i don't keep track on all screen names my friends use from their computers at work and at home.
and if you still can't grasp the situation, either you already made up your mind or you can't read very well. either way, pm me or call me. if you still strongly feel your thoughts must be heard publically on this issue, start your own thread.
thanks.
and i don't know about you, but i don't keep track on all screen names my friends use from their computers at work and at home.
and if you still can't grasp the situation, either you already made up your mind or you can't read very well. either way, pm me or call me. if you still strongly feel your thoughts must be heard publically on this issue, start your own thread.
thanks.
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as excited about the project and undergoing that stick has done with his car as i thought everyone would be, im sadly dissappointed to see everyone against him. I dont see anything that stick has done wrong here and as far as i care hes a great guy and deserves every bit of courtesy from people here. ESPECIALLY from the big guns here. To show such immaturity and disrespect to the guy not knowing the truth. If it were dom on the other hand, i can see the need for such questioning and harrasment. But hes not Dom.........
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as excited about the project and undergoing that stick has done with his car as i thought everyone would be, im sadly dissappointed to see everyone against him. I dont see anything that stick has done wrong here and as far as i care hes a great guy and deserves every bit of courtesy from people here.
Stick has had a half dozen of his posts contradicting each other, and hasn't cleared up anything. There's insults towards Mazsport coming from his IP address from vague accounts that originate from his office. The accounts use similar wording as he ("jaja"), which can't be a common Asian term widely used in America. Hell, I'm half Asian and I've never heard of it before. He's just "verified" that the account was registered with an email address that belongs to a female friend. This female posts about organizing car meets, bmws, painting techniques, horse power wars, max capabilities of the renesis, and knows all the local tuner shops in FL. Now, there are quite a few females on this forum, I dare say that none post anything remotely close to this person:
https://www.rx8club.com/search.php?do=finduser&u=40159
This person also just happens to post about how great the Esmeril turbo kit is, and how the int-x is "an overpriced microtech unit". Stick claims the female friend is just unhappy for him, but "she" has consistently posted negative things towards Mazsport in random threads during the time the account has been active - within the last three weeks.
On 11-22-2007, 09:53 PM (MAKE SURE YOU REMEMBER THIS TIME AND DATE!), Stick wrote:
it's been frustrating to say the least.
scott gave me the third and hopefully the last ETA @ 12-21-2007.
that's to include a break-in by betsey (anyone can vouch for her driving skills? heh jk) and a dyno, so that would mean scott should be starting the engine in couple weeks.
and it's been more than a year... more than 14 months to be exact. if it's not done by december as scott promised, there'll be a grand smackdown at mazsport on that friday.
scott gave me the third and hopefully the last ETA @ 12-21-2007.
that's to include a break-in by betsey (anyone can vouch for her driving skills? heh jk) and a dyno, so that would mean scott should be starting the engine in couple weeks.
and it's been more than a year... more than 14 months to be exact. if it's not done by december as scott promised, there'll be a grand smackdown at mazsport on that friday.
The first negative post from sigtech about the int-x happened 10 minutes later at 10:40 PM. The post about Esmeril being awesome happened one minute later at 10:41 PM. Considering these were the first posts of a NEW user to the forum, that's one busy schedule, and one that clearly has an agenda. sigtech is clearly a person who's well versed with the RX-8, claims to own an RX-8, but only just started posting - a total of 12 posts in 12 different threads in a 20 minute time frame.
Also consider that sigtech has posts made at noon, afternoon, and even times after midnight. If this girl is posting from an office IP address, they have some WEIRD hours. I'd be willing to bet the IP comes from Stick's house.
So if you've been following along - Stick got mad, posted about being upset. A new user magically appears immediately after his upset post, and within 20 minutes posts smack talk about Mazsport and voices support of his competition. Stick never posted at the same time sigtech does, but their posts come in sequentially one following the other. If you think it's coincidence, then I've got some beach front property to sell you in Kansas.
So I respectfully disagree with RotaryGod on his conclusion. This smacks of an alternate by the same person. The first thing one would do when crafting an alternate account, is to generate random comments so as to appear to not be an alternate, and try to give that account a different personality. The first 10 posts were filler. Used to create a background of plausible deniability. Only Stick didn't have the foresight to create an alt account in advance. He must have been fairly upset to rush forward without thinking how easy it would be to spot what he was doing. After the posts I mentioned, the only activity on sigtech's account was posting smack talk in a renesis 500 hp thread (after all, he's just paid a lot of money to be better than the renesis), and then this thread.
I have NO doubts whatsoever that both accounts are used by the same person.
I don't have a problem with Stick being upset, but he's playing dirty and trying to look like a saint while shitting on Mazsport.
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That's right boys and girls!!! My Jedi Powers saw this coming a mile away.
Originally Posted by Jedi54
I think it's 2 friends who DON'T agree on a solution. Lemme explain...
Stick complained to his buddy that his 20b is taking waaaayyyyy too long.
Friend says, "that's crap! I'd sue their asses"
Stick say, "nah, they're good people"
(this continues on for some time, possibly coming up at work from time to time)
Friend creates an account to try and see if other people think as he does in an effort to convince stick to take action in order to get his car.
Stick complained to his buddy that his 20b is taking waaaayyyyy too long.
Friend says, "that's crap! I'd sue their asses"
Stick say, "nah, they're good people"
(this continues on for some time, possibly coming up at work from time to time)
Friend creates an account to try and see if other people think as he does in an effort to convince stick to take action in order to get his car.
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Correction - We're excited for the work Mazsport is doing.
Stick has had a half dozen of his posts contradicting each other, and hasn't cleared up anything. There's insults towards Mazsport coming from his IP address from vague accounts that originate from his office. The accounts use similar wording as he ("jaja"), which can't be a common Asian term widely used in America. Hell, I'm half Asian and I've never heard of it before. He's just "verified" that the account was registered with an email address that belongs to a female friend. This female posts about organizing car meets, bmws, painting techniques, horse power wars, max capabilities of the renesis, and knows all the local tuner shops in FL. Now, there are quite a few females on this forum, I dare say that none post anything remotely close to this person:
https://www.rx8club.com/search.php?do=finduser&u=40159
This person also just happens to post about how great the Esmeril turbo kit is, and how the int-x is "an overpriced microtech unit". Stick claims the female friend is just unhappy for him, but "she" has consistently posted negative things towards Mazsport in random threads during the time the account has been active - within the last three weeks.
On 11-22-2007, 09:53 PM (MAKE SURE YOU REMEMBER THIS TIME AND DATE!), Stick wrote:
That happened to be within thirty minutes that sigtech made "her" first post: 11-22-2007, 10:19 PM. That was the first of 10 random comments that were posted within the next 11 minutes. Yes, almost one post per minute in different threads.
The first negative post from sigtech about the int-x happened 10 minutes later at 10:40 PM. The post about Esmeril being awesome happened one minute later at 10:41 PM. Considering these were the first posts of a NEW user to the forum, that's one busy schedule, and one that clearly has an agenda. sigtech is clearly a person who's well versed with the RX-8, claims to own an RX-8, but only just started posting - a total of 12 posts in 12 different threads in a 20 minute time frame.
So if you've been following along - Stick got mad, posted about being upset. A new user magically appears immediately after his upset post, and within 20 minutes posts smack talk about Mazsport and voices support of his competition. Stick never posted at the same time sigtech does, but their posts come in sequentially one following the other. If you think it's coincidence, then I've got some beach front property to sell you in Kansas.
So I respectfully disagree with RotaryGod on his conclusion. This smacks of an alternate by the same person. The first thing one would do when crafting an alternate account, is to generate random comments so as to appear to not be an alternate, and try to give that account a different personality. The first 10 posts were filler. Used to create a background of plausible deniability. Only Stick didn't have the foresight to create an alt account in advance. He must have been fairly upset to rush forward without thinking how easy it would be to spot what he was doing. After the posts I mentioned, the only activity on sigtech's account was posting smack talk in a renesis 500 hp thread (after all, he's just paid a lot of money to be better than the renesis), and then this thread.
I have NO doubts whatsoever that both accounts are used by the same person.
I don't have a problem with Stick being upset, but he's playing dirty and trying to look like a saint while shitting on Mazsport.
Stick has had a half dozen of his posts contradicting each other, and hasn't cleared up anything. There's insults towards Mazsport coming from his IP address from vague accounts that originate from his office. The accounts use similar wording as he ("jaja"), which can't be a common Asian term widely used in America. Hell, I'm half Asian and I've never heard of it before. He's just "verified" that the account was registered with an email address that belongs to a female friend. This female posts about organizing car meets, bmws, painting techniques, horse power wars, max capabilities of the renesis, and knows all the local tuner shops in FL. Now, there are quite a few females on this forum, I dare say that none post anything remotely close to this person:
https://www.rx8club.com/search.php?do=finduser&u=40159
This person also just happens to post about how great the Esmeril turbo kit is, and how the int-x is "an overpriced microtech unit". Stick claims the female friend is just unhappy for him, but "she" has consistently posted negative things towards Mazsport in random threads during the time the account has been active - within the last three weeks.
On 11-22-2007, 09:53 PM (MAKE SURE YOU REMEMBER THIS TIME AND DATE!), Stick wrote:
That happened to be within thirty minutes that sigtech made "her" first post: 11-22-2007, 10:19 PM. That was the first of 10 random comments that were posted within the next 11 minutes. Yes, almost one post per minute in different threads.
The first negative post from sigtech about the int-x happened 10 minutes later at 10:40 PM. The post about Esmeril being awesome happened one minute later at 10:41 PM. Considering these were the first posts of a NEW user to the forum, that's one busy schedule, and one that clearly has an agenda. sigtech is clearly a person who's well versed with the RX-8, claims to own an RX-8, but only just started posting - a total of 12 posts in 12 different threads in a 20 minute time frame.
So if you've been following along - Stick got mad, posted about being upset. A new user magically appears immediately after his upset post, and within 20 minutes posts smack talk about Mazsport and voices support of his competition. Stick never posted at the same time sigtech does, but their posts come in sequentially one following the other. If you think it's coincidence, then I've got some beach front property to sell you in Kansas.
So I respectfully disagree with RotaryGod on his conclusion. This smacks of an alternate by the same person. The first thing one would do when crafting an alternate account, is to generate random comments so as to appear to not be an alternate, and try to give that account a different personality. The first 10 posts were filler. Used to create a background of plausible deniability. Only Stick didn't have the foresight to create an alt account in advance. He must have been fairly upset to rush forward without thinking how easy it would be to spot what he was doing. After the posts I mentioned, the only activity on sigtech's account was posting smack talk in a renesis 500 hp thread (after all, he's just paid a lot of money to be better than the renesis), and then this thread.
I have NO doubts whatsoever that both accounts are used by the same person.
I don't have a problem with Stick being upset, but he's playing dirty and trying to look like a saint while shitting on Mazsport.
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It would actually be extremely easy to validate Stick's claim. If he can supply one of us with this female's phone number, it would only take a few questions to validate if she was the one posting. Sigtech's posts include commentary on nitrous use on the renesis, max possible power on the renesis, considers installing the mazdaspeed body kit trivial, and knows about bulb ballasts. It'd be hard for her to fake answers in real time on the phone.
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mysql, i had stated i'm upset at mazsport publically. i don't have problem with saying it. and i get nothing out of it by SLANDERING scott. i've said everything bad i wanted to say about scott under my own screen name.
and did it occur to you that my friend posts up the stuff after i complain to her about it?
i have not registered as sigtech and slandered mazsport. is that clear enough for you? and what good are your posts? do you think scott would love to work on my car or any car after he reads what you had to say? if i see you there, i'll kick your ***, which'd be little more fun than replying to your posts on a keyboard..
and did it occur to you that my friend posts up the stuff after i complain to her about it?
i have not registered as sigtech and slandered mazsport. is that clear enough for you? and what good are your posts? do you think scott would love to work on my car or any car after he reads what you had to say? if i see you there, i'll kick your ***, which'd be little more fun than replying to your posts on a keyboard..
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Are you really sure this is the direction you want to take? I've saved a copy of this thread for prosperity.
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You know, I haven't gotten my law degree yet, but what you have posted sure looks like a criminal threat. Since you're going to be in my physical location, I see that as an immediate threat. Just threatening someone is considered an act of assault.
Are you really sure this is the direction you want to take? I've saved a copy of this thread for prosperity.
Are you really sure this is the direction you want to take? I've saved a copy of this thread for prosperity.
you actually may make a pretty good lawyer, best luck to you dom.
sincerely,
j