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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 01:10 AM
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Jeff I know I'll discuss this with you more tomorrow but from my perspective some of the elements I was interested in (and hopefully are adopted by beta testers) were ability to disable CAT checking CEL's...I was hoping to get rid of the TPMS as well but I understand the liability reasons for preventing that.

I'm curious as to if the AP has the ability to alter the opening of intake ports (earlier or later) or under certain conditions like WOT. Altering fan engagement temperatures, changing or eliminating redline (hey I like my options) or being able to control or disable any of the onboard security functions.

I certainly hope that COBB opens the PCM up as wide as they can and don't limit the device to specific sensors or items. I realize there might be increased production time but I'd like to see complete control over the computer.

Ok, I'm done rambling! I can't wait to see this in action.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 01:38 AM
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You can change the fan turn on points, control the S-DAIS, recalibrate all of the fuel tables, turn off all CELs, etc.
For instance, I've turned off P0131, P0139, P0171, P0172, P0300, P0301, P0302, P0410, P0420, P0442, P0455, P0456, etc...

Very important:

These things can ONLY be done with the AccessTUNER Pro software. You can NOT do these things directly with the AP.
This means you will be dependent on a pro tuner that has this software until Cobb makes the AccessTUNER Race software available.
I do not know how much of this functionality will be included in the AccessTUNER Race versions.

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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 01:58 AM
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Awesome! I certainly hope that the software versions are the same with the difference being the protuner is an unlimited license while the street tuner is an individual license version.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 02:01 AM
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For those of us in areas that get emissions testing through the ODB II port, will they be able to detect if a code has been turned off? Can we make a non-conforming car pass the tests?
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 02:13 AM
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My understanding is currently the testing process only checks for CEL codes and makes sure that the ECU wasn't reset or any CEL's cleared within the last 3 drive cycles.

There's been talk that there are states that have the ability (or will in the future) to tell if emissions equipment has been turned off.

For the time being you should be ok.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 08:04 AM
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Keep the info coming, Jeff!!!!

Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
You can change the fan turn on points, control the S-DAIS, recalibrate all of the fuel tables, turn off all CELs, etc.
For instance, I've turned off P0131, P0139, P0171, P0172, P0300, P0301, P0302, P0410, P0420, P0442, P0455, P0456, etc...
This is very good news!!!

Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Very important:

These things can ONLY be done with the AccessTUNER Pro software. You can NOT do these things directly with the AP.
This means you will be dependent on a pro tuner that has this software until Cobb makes the StreetTUNER software available.
I do not know how much of this functionality will be included in the StreetTUNER versions.
I feel that the StreetTUNER software needs to be able to do all the things the ProTUNER can but for only one VIN number. What most people will want to do is have a professional tuner with the ProTUNER software tune their car and upload a flash. Then they will use their copy of the StreetTUNER software to tweek that tune as they continue to modify their car.

For example: Say I have a Greddy Kit that I get tuned by a professional. Then I purchase the Mazsport CAI for it and now I want to retune. I don't want to spend $500-$1000 to have a professional tune it again. I just want to add a little more fuel to match the changes in the AFRs.

Hopefully this will be possible with the StreetTUNER software.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 08:35 AM
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Jeff, any surprises thus far with the AP functionality? have you found anything in the base pcm program that surprised you? Is there any ability to adjust anything related to power steering? what all can you adjust with the idle? RPM?

Do you feel with the AP its possible now to create a decent PnP flash for the greddy turbo that should work outta the box so to speak? Granted it would have to be tuned somewhat conservatively but alot of people would surely give up 10-15hp for a "safe" tune.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 09:54 AM
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It should be pretty PnP since it doesn't use actual injector duty/PW to tune.
Instead, you set lambda targets and it figures the rest out on its own by computing nominal PW based on an internal Ve table measured against calculated load (based on MAF, TPS, BARO, IAT, ECT and throttle position) and, in closed loop, WBO2S feedback, which generates LTFT which is factored into the open-loop operation just like stock.
You are just taking the OE tune and extending its calculated load range (the OE tuning is limited to a CalcLOAD of about 1.01 - 300g/sec [39 lbs] of air is a calcLOAD of ~1.67) and assigning it a lambda value.

You can set the idle to whatever you want. I lowered my cold idle a couple of hundred RPM and raised the warm idle to 850. Smooth as butter.
I also set the lambda target at idle to .98 (about 14.4:1) and turned the OMP up from step 3 to step 4.

One of the biggest obstacles to PnP tuning will be the wide variety of different MAF mounting setups and injector setups.
The latter is just a scaling issue, but the former may be really sticky since EVERYTHING is calculated around the MAF.

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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
For instance, I've turned off P0420 etc...
Catalyst system efficiency below threshold - way cool for track days when I change the exhaust to go catless

TPMS is not a DTC, right? So it cannot be defeated, correct?
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
One of the biggest obstacles to PnP tuning will be the wide variety of different MAF mounting setups and injector setups.
The latter is just a scaling issue, but the former may be really sticky since EVERYTHING is calculated around the MAF.
Just about everyone is using a 3.5" MAF housing. Do you mean the air needs to be undisturbed like the OEM intake and RB Revi, or ...?
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Nemesis8
TPMS is not a DTC, right? So it cannot be defeated, correct?
Not sure about the peripheral CAN stuff, yet. You may be able to tell the PCM to suppress those as well, but we haven't addressed that in the software that I have at the moment.


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Just about everyone is using a 3.5" MAF housing. Do you mean the air needs to be undisturbed like the OEM intake and RB Revi, or ...?
Flow characteristics really play havoc with the MAF, so everything counts in large amounts, to paraphrase Depeche Mode.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Flow characteristics really play havoc with the MAF, so everything counts in large amounts, to paraphrase Depeche Mode.
So what do you suggest to "smooth out" the airflow? A mesh screen of somesort?
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 11:21 AM
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The screen probably helps, but a long, smooth, unchanging diameter of properly sized pipe is the most important thing.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 11:24 AM
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Long as in like 7-8 inches or long as in 2 feet?
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 11:37 AM
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Long as in 6" before and after the MAF.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 11:49 AM
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I eventually ran screenless without issue too, though I did include a slip-on tube screen with the MAF parts and filters I shipped out to you guys
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 11:52 AM
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It was kinda liberating not giving a crap what the MAF thought. Now I have to beg it for forgiveness.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by mysql
It was kinda liberating not giving a crap what the MAF thought. Now I have to beg it for forgiveness.
The MAF is very sensitive and you made it cry.
Soon, you will have to make-up and apologize!
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 03:47 PM
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Thanks for the additional info, MM. You'll be doing this as the advanced guy that can provide in depth technical knowledge. I'm just the typical noob that'll simply be using Cobb's provided maps.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 03:53 PM
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I'm mostly concerned with FI applications. Cobb will probably have some really good N/A calibrations.

Today was the first time I've gone into boost with only the re-flash providing boosted fuel management. So far, so good.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 03:57 PM
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What are you using to datalog? Do you still have your Ultimate installed? Can you still see the individual injector pulse widths and the such?
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 04:08 PM
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Lucky! Using the IntX around the changing temps here freaks me out for some reason.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 04:08 PM
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I do like the BOV vent to atmosphere sound though.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 08:03 PM
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off topic - but Jeff's avatar that's up there right now effin' rocks!!!

dd sends (with a few cocktails in him...)
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 08:55 PM
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Are we looking at around $700? I was just ready to order scanguageII for $150 but this product offers so much more. Agh what to do what to do... Projected time of release?
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