RedSheDevil

What the hell happened here?

Someone posts about a problem, searches for a forum to find answers, and somehow becomes labeled a whiner. People react to a corporation's actions and now they're whiners.

Since when did having a discussion about a topic turn you into the whiner police?

Yea, mkay. Read a history book.

shinka213

hmmmmmmm.....very interesting RSD....tg for people like you and me!!
where have you been...I miss you!

r0tor

iTrader: (1)

would that be the chapter about a rebeliion against the British and a revolutionary war, the chapter about the endless hours put in in making a new government, or the chapter about the thousands of inventions of the 19th and early 20th centuries to solve problems in people's lives?

sorry, can't find the sit around and bitch chapter... must be the 21st century chapter

RedSheDevil

yea, you just don't get it. it would be about people who did not just sit around and accept whatever BS was given to them.

moving on ....

r0tor

iTrader: (1)

so in other words... solve the problem instead of just bitching

- if you have squealing brakes go to Pep Boys and buy $30 pads that will stop like crap but be quiet because Mazda is not going to give you pads with shitty performance
- If your getting pad gas milage drive saner because Mazda is not going to suddenly increase your gas milage by 50% no matter what they do


yadda yadda yadda

saturn

You sure bitch a lot for someone who is so anti-complainers.

snizzle

Are you saying you scoff at his cromulence?

saturn

You are quite correct, sir. You most assuredly embiggen the spirit of this forum.

rodrigo67

Yup, I said it...obviously you just don't get it...

Every car breaks, so wether it happens now or a year from now, you will have to bring it to your dealer. I would rather have a dealer that fixes things right the first time then have crappy service, multiple visits for the same issue, or told it's the owners fault and they will just have to live with it.

Now I know you think the RX8 is the greatest thing ever created, but I got a 3 year old Kia sorento that has NEVER been to the shop except for maint, has a 10 year warrenty, never had rattles or broken *****, a dealership that has excellent service and responds to me (the customer). Can you tell us that your 8 has never been in the shop...I doubt it. Should I expect less from Mazda then what I get from Kia?

I'm sure all those guys who had to have engines replaced were told the 8 has few ACTUAL faults and the majority of the problems are the owners...you sound just like MAZDA...and the 8 is far from trouble free...or should we again point you too the satisfactory, reliability, and retention surveys?

MazdaManiac

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My '8 has never been in the shop, but that is neither here nor there.
Anyone that would purposely purchase a Kia is exempt from this discussion - not because there is anything wrong with you or your opinion, but that you are not going to relinquish your perspective that a car is a consumable. This is simply how you are programmed and are unlikely to be swayed over to reality.

rodrigo67

I find that hard to believe...never had a recall?

A car is a consumable unless you think that your 8 is the last car you will ever own. A car is a car, no matter how much you love it, and it will not last forever.

That Kia was rated the best small suv made, came with tons more options and is far more reliable then it competition at a much cheaper price. Some people get too stuck on brand names which is why people continue to buy fords and Mercedes when they are crap...

BTW I also have a 1986 porsche 944...does that count? and yes one day it will be a consumable also, as one day so will your house and everything you own...

ASH8

Ur the man!
That' exactly how it is ....

If you want fuel economy....DON'T BuY A RX-8.....its a sports car and you will NEVER, I repeat NEVER see a rotary made by Mazda that will give you economy or comparison with a "normal" piston engine....FORGET IT......

R0tor, is right here too....its the disc pad material quality not a fault that will or will not create squeaks...also brake dust (what wears off) can also contribute to squeaks and squeals...

Anyway back on topic....

ASH8

Sorry to spoil your fun mate, trying to compare a KIA to and RX-8????.....one is technically sophisticated the other, an also rand.

And the reality IS the RX-8 has very few ACTUAL Faults...
The overwhelming majority of owners around the globe LOVE their 8's and have had few problems....take a look at other RX-8 forums...

You are aware as most that the engine replacement problem, again 'ONLY in America', with extreme temps (engine coolant and oil almost boiling) I wonder how many "NORMAL CARS' would survived this condition...Yes, there was a software..cooling issue....but OIA.

BTW, Its no great revelation that Automobiles are a consumable item....most thinks in life are....

A trip to a dealer 10 times because the brakes squeak a little is not a fault, you would get the same reaction with any other brand after about the 3rd visit, JUST because "MY last car" did not sqeak...means absolutely nothing. My last car did not stop like and RX-8...

As far as surveys go the biggest complaint is,,,,fuel economy...der...
tourqe...der....Typically rotary...

I think for memory the RX-8 rates about 8 out of 10 on average in the US, slightly higher everywhere else...

NEXT.......

RedSheDevil

with all the e-***** being thrown around here I'm starting to think Ron Jeremy really IS here!

ASH8

BTW...You can have your wish....a car that breaks regularly and you go to your dealer....
I will go to my dealer just for its normal service....

I have personally owned... other Mazda models too...like
Mazda 1500
Capella 1600
929
929 V6
RX-5
RX-3
323
626
626 Coupe
Mazda1300

ALL have been typically MAZDA.....NOT ONE with any faults...sorry, the 1984 929 needed a new EGR Valve...
And countless brand New Demo Model's....work cars.

AND family and I have also owned
Mazda..another 4
Holden GM..1
Mercedes-Benz ..3
Toyota ..3
Honda..1
Ford..2
VW..1
Volvo..3
Fiat..1
Alfa..2

In my immediate family of 3 generations....ALL rate Mazda the highest....with Honda,Toyota next...

Like most things in life you only rate it as you experience it...and respect others views...which I do of yours...

NEXT...

rodrigo67

Ash reading comprehension...

This has nothing to do with the car...dah, people keep telling you guys this but you are such fan boys it just doesn't sink in. The comparison between kia and mazda was not the car but the type of service, and I hate to break it to YOU, kia is better. So, my question would be how can this kia company offer better service on cheaper cars then mazda? HMMMM, and seeing that kia has 51% retention while Mazda has 23% says alot of other people agree...

Your comment "You are aware as most that the engine replacement problem, again 'ONLY in America"...Where have you been, as this whole entire thread is about MAZDA NORTH AMERICA

...and you keep bringing up the sqeeky brakes as if thats the only issue with these cars. It's the most minor of the problems. The 100 degree cupholders are a minor issue you live with, the preventive flooding procedure is something you live with, the flimsy center console,no screens on oil coolers, the bad milage, the winter tires, and the scrathed up plastic are things that you live with for this car, but I would not consider non starting engines/loss compression engines, pins backing out of trannys, broken ball joints, melting gas tanks, water in the lights, clutches that go after 5K miles, and go cart batteries, things we should have to live with.

As far as milage, there was one guy here getting 9 mpg. That is not acceptable, but of course you could say it was the way he was driving, but he traded that car in for another 8 and now gets over 18 mpg, so I highly doubt it was the driver. Myself I don't care what milage I get, but I do recognize, unlike you in your everything is perfect in Mazda world, that other may have issues.

You may get the impression that I dislike this car, but that would be very incorrect, I really like this car but I am not going to pretend that everything about it is perfect. However my biggest issie with this car, and the reason for this entire thread, is not the car at all, but Mazda. So, get it through your head, it's not about the car...

Ash of course I respect all views and don't take this the wrong way. I have no doubts that you have had excellent experiences with Mazda, but I'm sure Mazda dealers is Australia have a different attitude then those here in the states...

spork

I agree with that unless you're talking about a car which is unusable vs a car that never has to be in the shop.

If would rather have a car that needed to go in the shop 3x a month for a day and got excellent service than a car that needed to go in 1x a month and got really crap service. Of course this is saying if the costs were the same. Obviously if I spent 3x more on my car, I would take the crap service. Good or even acceptable service matters a lot. That's why I'm not keeping my 8. I get crappy service on a first model year car and this video pretty much says the nearby dealership is very unlikely to have any incentive to improve.

I disagree. If brake squeal was not a true issue, why did Mazda issue a TSB? If they didn't think it was an issue, they would've not put out a TSB and let people handle it themselves.

And c'mon, that's also a dumb statement about fuel economy. If you buy a Ferrari with an advertised 12/18 mpg rating and you drive it and you get 2/8 mpg, you should just shut up and accept it because you didn't buy the car for the mileage? That's obviously an extreme exaggeration of the situation but you're basically saying "well, since it's not a fuel efficient car in the first place, no one has the right to complain about fuel efficiency no matter how bad it is."

People aren't complaining about mileage because they get 18/24 like it was advertised. They're complaining when they get much less than expected. I get 15/21, which is quite a bit less than expected, but whatever, it's to be somewhat expected since the EPA estimates usually off by a few mpg. But some people get like 12/18, which is really quite a drop down. I think they have a right to complain (provided they're not going WOT all the time).

BlueRenesis82

rodrigo67

I would prefer Jessica Alba...

RedSheDevil

at least SOME people here have a sense of humor!!!

tiggerlee

Jessica Alba has a *****?!?!?

dmc27

^ Would you throw her out of bed? Or just roll her over?

Now I'm going off topic. Oops.

tiggerlee

This thread went off topic long ago

ASH8

Brakes TSB...to shut whiners up...

Your complaining about a 15/21 MPG Result...what! that's ONLY just over a 15 % variance...so what!..
Perhaps the guy who is getting 12/18 is because he red lines at every change!!
Many here get a lot more that the "ADVERTISED" numbers.

MazdaManiac

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Not last time I was down there, but its been a few months and things change fast in Hollywood.

I think someone needs a bit of an economics lesson to understand wahat is and is not a "consumable".
Milk is a consumable. As is water, gum and fuel.
Pretty much anything that will attrit at the same rate that it looses value is a consumable.
You washer and dryer are not consumables.
Your house is not a consumable.
Neither is your car.

Any purchase that performs a "service", the value of which exceedes its intrinsic value is not a consumable.