Something Every RX-8 owner should hear/watch(New Info)
08-06-2006, 07:58 PM
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dont forget to point out that I doubt MNAO would offer TSB/warranty work if the issue was not a problem.
then again, i had squeaky brakes that i asked about (never demanded anything!) funny how my dealership replaced the rotors and pads and told me that the OEM ones were just inferior and should have never been used on the car in the first place. guess they are whiners too.
then again, i had squeaky brakes that i asked about (never demanded anything!) funny how my dealership replaced the rotors and pads and told me that the OEM ones were just inferior and should have never been used on the car in the first place. guess they are whiners too.
08-06-2006, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BunnyGirl
I am fully and totally agreeing with you here. People overreact to nonissues all the time and then are not happy when they aren't easily fixed, i.e. squeaks and rattles. I could care less if my brakes squeaked if they were still doing their job like they were supposed to. Granted I only have around 5350 miles on my car now at four months old and they have only squeaked once (when it was raining) but I wasn't concerned about it. They still grabbed and held fine. They were working. Mazda didn't advertise having "silent" brakes. 
Constant bitchign about gas mileage is annoying, too. It's a sports car!! I swear people think it should be getting over 30 mpg all the time.
Constant bitchign about gas mileage is annoying, too. It's a sports car!! I swear people think it should be getting over 30 mpg all the time.You have stated dozens of times that your dealer has treated you very well and that you've had no major issues with your car. Not everyone is that lucky.
08-07-2006, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
ash rotor and others who have made the point- ...
That being said, if the black helicopters come to your house late at night, I never heard of you.
08-07-2006, 12:54 AM
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No problem Zoom - besides, I think it's better that you posted it rather than someone who might have blown it out of proportions.
That being said, if the black helicopters come to your house late at night, I never heard of you.
That being said, if the black helicopters come to your house late at night, I never heard of you.
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08-07-2006, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by saturn
If you can accept brake squeal that exceeds every standard for "normal" on a $30k+ car, you're a doormat. Not everyone is complaining about mild brake squeal or mediocre gas mileage.
You have stated dozens of times that your dealer has treated you very well and that you've had no major issues with your car. Not everyone is that lucky.
You have stated dozens of times that your dealer has treated you very well and that you've had no major issues with your car. Not everyone is that lucky.
I have a friend with a E46 M3 and know a couple people with Corvettes and all of their brakes squeal like crazy - especially after hard driving and they glaze over. Aggressive brake pads = tendancy to squeal.
I'd rather have something thats prone to squealing then a car that stops like a squeal free Hinda Accord... maybe your in the wrong kind of car
08-07-2006, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by RedSheDevil
dont forget to point out that I doubt MNAO would offer TSB/warranty work if the issue was not a problem.
then again, i had squeaky brakes that i asked about (never demanded anything!) funny how my dealership replaced the rotors and pads and told me that the OEM ones were just inferior and should have never been used on the car in the first place. guess they are whiners too.
then again, i had squeaky brakes that i asked about (never demanded anything!) funny how my dealership replaced the rotors and pads and told me that the OEM ones were just inferior and should have never been used on the car in the first place. guess they are whiners too.
so someone already pissed off your service manager with brakes, you come stumbling in there and mention the squeal to get new brake pads for free, and he just throws parts at you in an attempt to shut you up.
so now your all happy with the original design rotors and some slightly less aggressive pads
08-07-2006, 07:33 AM
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Zoom did the right thing posting this, you did a service on imforming people that expects this from you and even have got to trust you.
However, this threat gives a few people that love to put down the RX-8 and mazda at any oportunity another change to do so.
a few pages back I said that this hurt the RX-8 more than the missing hp and some people told me that issue was not very known( missing hp) but this its not my expirience, I spoken with people that dont know much about cars and dont relly care and after a few minutes in a car conversation they say " was that the car that had 50 hp less that what mazda said it had?
This has now got to a lot of forums where the RX-8 gets bash all the time, so in an efford to do a service to the rx-8 owners, we againg have damage the rx-8 name and that just comes around and bites the owners in the ***.
I just dont want the trent to continue, this site is getting the reputation in a lot of intresting places as a group of winers and bashers, because of a hand full of members.
I hope mazda has the chance to clear this in public and save the name RX-8 the 3erd best selling rotary car of all time.
However, this threat gives a few people that love to put down the RX-8 and mazda at any oportunity another change to do so.
a few pages back I said that this hurt the RX-8 more than the missing hp and some people told me that issue was not very known( missing hp) but this its not my expirience, I spoken with people that dont know much about cars and dont relly care and after a few minutes in a car conversation they say " was that the car that had 50 hp less that what mazda said it had?
This has now got to a lot of forums where the RX-8 gets bash all the time, so in an efford to do a service to the rx-8 owners, we againg have damage the rx-8 name and that just comes around and bites the owners in the ***.
I just dont want the trent to continue, this site is getting the reputation in a lot of intresting places as a group of winers and bashers, because of a hand full of members.
I hope mazda has the chance to clear this in public and save the name RX-8 the 3erd best selling rotary car of all time.
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08-07-2006, 07:53 AM
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A couple of thoughts:
I, for one, am glad that zoom44 posted this. I believe it would have come out eventually. If it hurts Mazda's reputation, or the reputation of the rotary, that's Mazda's problem. These are Mazda's products. We just drive. I guess if you're worried about what fans of other cars think about our cars, it's more of a big deal for you.
I disagree with the suggestion that brake squeal is common with good pads, and I agree that a customer with 12,000 miles on a near-$30K car, who is on their second set of pads, who is again hearing that annoying noise every time they stop, has a right to ask Mazda to solve the problem. Mazda tried once. They admitted it needed correction in a TSB. It didn't work. They need to try again.
I love my RX-8. I like most of what Mazda is doing product-wise. But I also want Mazda to hit my dealer squarely in the wallet if they let me down. They're not currently planning to do that, and it doesn't work for me.
I, for one, am glad that zoom44 posted this. I believe it would have come out eventually. If it hurts Mazda's reputation, or the reputation of the rotary, that's Mazda's problem. These are Mazda's products. We just drive. I guess if you're worried about what fans of other cars think about our cars, it's more of a big deal for you.
I disagree with the suggestion that brake squeal is common with good pads, and I agree that a customer with 12,000 miles on a near-$30K car, who is on their second set of pads, who is again hearing that annoying noise every time they stop, has a right to ask Mazda to solve the problem. Mazda tried once. They admitted it needed correction in a TSB. It didn't work. They need to try again.
I love my RX-8. I like most of what Mazda is doing product-wise. But I also want Mazda to hit my dealer squarely in the wallet if they let me down. They're not currently planning to do that, and it doesn't work for me.
08-07-2006, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by saturn
This thread is solely the concern of Americans. This thread is allowed to be our little world because it has absolutely nothing to do with anyone outside of it.
Rotary Crazy has a good point. But then, like some of us, RC probably has a good dealership/service dept. I hope I never have to find out what some of you bitch so much about.
08-07-2006, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by RevTo9K
A couple of thoughts:
I disagree with the suggestion that brake squeal is common with good pads, and I agree that a customer with 12,000 miles on a near-$30K car, who is on their second set of pads, who is again hearing that annoying noise every time they stop, has a right to ask Mazda to solve the problem. Mazda tried once. They admitted it needed correction in a TSB. It didn't work. They need to try again.
I disagree with the suggestion that brake squeal is common with good pads, and I agree that a customer with 12,000 miles on a near-$30K car, who is on their second set of pads, who is again hearing that annoying noise every time they stop, has a right to ask Mazda to solve the problem. Mazda tried once. They admitted it needed correction in a TSB. It didn't work. They need to try again.
Brake squeal is primarily caused by either driving aggressively and glazing the pads over or not using the brakes hard enough and creating too smooth of a surface. In either event if you think a little squeal is bad, your shouldn't be driving the car.
If you want to hear some brake squeal, try going to a track event and listening to really expensive pads making all kinds of rediculous noises.
08-07-2006, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by RevTo9K
A couple of thoughts:
I, for one, am glad that zoom44 posted this. I believe it would have come out eventually. If it hurts Mazda's reputation, or the reputation of the rotary, that's Mazda's problem. These are Mazda's products. We just drive. I guess if you're worried about what fans of other cars think about our cars, it's more of a big deal for you.
I disagree with the suggestion that brake squeal is common with good pads, and I agree that a customer with 12,000 miles on a near-$30K car, who is on their second set of pads, who is again hearing that annoying noise every time they stop, has a right to ask Mazda to solve the problem. Mazda tried once. They admitted it needed correction in a TSB. It didn't work. They need to try again.
I love my RX-8. I like most of what Mazda is doing product-wise. But I also want Mazda to hit my dealer squarely in the wallet if they let me down. They're not currently planning to do that, and it doesn't work for me.
I, for one, am glad that zoom44 posted this. I believe it would have come out eventually. If it hurts Mazda's reputation, or the reputation of the rotary, that's Mazda's problem. These are Mazda's products. We just drive. I guess if you're worried about what fans of other cars think about our cars, it's more of a big deal for you.
I disagree with the suggestion that brake squeal is common with good pads, and I agree that a customer with 12,000 miles on a near-$30K car, who is on their second set of pads, who is again hearing that annoying noise every time they stop, has a right to ask Mazda to solve the problem. Mazda tried once. They admitted it needed correction in a TSB. It didn't work. They need to try again.
I love my RX-8. I like most of what Mazda is doing product-wise. But I also want Mazda to hit my dealer squarely in the wallet if they let me down. They're not currently planning to do that, and it doesn't work for me.
belive me, I have examing this car to the most little detail and keep wondering how does mazda manage to make the same mistakes over and over againg that they fix in the last gen rotary car? and got really mad at them, but remember that engeniers dont sell cars, the product they make gets very modify before it goes to market, even after this the RX-8 its a great car.
this car its getting threated like a piece of **** by individuals that did not get educated to the purchase they where going to make and by others that just listeng to the guy that drives the 350z, g35, bmw, THE SALESMAN! etc. Without reading and really learning about the car.
you complaing about brake squeal? but love the fact that the RX-8 brakes almost as good as a ferrari enzo? if you dont, get some less agresive pats
ratles and squels, drive a mercedes or a bmw for more than a couple of years, brake squeal buy a mitsu montero and youll be happy
, engines dying without abusse every mitsubishi excep the last 2 gens evos did this ( I had 2 evos and they went thru several engines changes ), NXS used to blow up the transmisions and eat up the front tires.my 2005 toyota land cruiser makes a sound and I have replace the gasket for the right exaust manifold 2 times and one of the fold down seats makes a tumping sound
I could go on forever, NO CAR ITS PERFECT! much less a sport car
08-07-2006, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by r0tor
Brake squal IS NOT A PROBLEM. If your brake suddenly don't slow you down - THATS A PROBLEM!!!
Brake squeal is primarily caused by either driving aggressively and glazing the pads over or not using the brakes hard enough and creating too smooth of a surface. In either event if you think a little squeal is bad, your shouldn't be driving the car.
If you want to hear some brake squeal, try going to a track event and listening to really expensive pads making all kinds of rediculous noises.
Brake squeal is primarily caused by either driving aggressively and glazing the pads over or not using the brakes hard enough and creating too smooth of a surface. In either event if you think a little squeal is bad, your shouldn't be driving the car.
If you want to hear some brake squeal, try going to a track event and listening to really expensive pads making all kinds of rediculous noises.
08-07-2006, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by dmc27
??? Ever hear of something called "global economy"? This should all be serving you well, anyway. It's driving down the price of the 8 you may someday buy.
Rotary Crazy has a good point. But then, like some of us, RC probably has a good dealership/service dept. I hope I never have to find out what some of you bitch so much about.
Rotary Crazy has a good point. But then, like some of us, RC probably has a good dealership/service dept. I hope I never have to find out what some of you bitch so much about.
Keep in mind this was all in response to the initial proposition that zoom shouldn't have posted this video. I wholeheartedly disagree. That's all I have to say about that.
08-07-2006, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by saturn
Ok, again for those who don't follow along too well, I said this thread was solely the concern of Americans. I don't think America should or does live in a void -- I just think this is (at least for the most part) an American issue. German satisfaction of the 8 has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.
Keep in mind this was all in response to the initial proposition that zoom shouldn't have posted this video. I wholeheartedly disagree. That's all I have to say about that.
Keep in mind this was all in response to the initial proposition that zoom shouldn't have posted this video. I wholeheartedly disagree. That's all I have to say about that.
08-07-2006, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by r0tor
Brake squal IS NOT A PROBLEM. If your brake suddenly don't slow you down - THATS A PROBLEM!!!
Brake squeal is primarily caused by either driving aggressively and glazing the pads over or not using the brakes hard enough and creating too smooth of a surface. In either event if you think a little squeal is bad, your shouldn't be driving the car.
If you want to hear some brake squeal, try going to a track event and listening to really expensive pads making all kinds of rediculous noises.
Brake squeal is primarily caused by either driving aggressively and glazing the pads over or not using the brakes hard enough and creating too smooth of a surface. In either event if you think a little squeal is bad, your shouldn't be driving the car.
If you want to hear some brake squeal, try going to a track event and listening to really expensive pads making all kinds of rediculous noises.
This isn't a question about whether squeal is totally unacceptable. It all has to do with the degree. I don't understand why you can't grasp the fact that some people have legitimate problems. Mediocre gas mileage and slight brake squeal aren't anything to write home about, but there seem to be a good number of people that have problems that are just ignored by their dealers.
08-07-2006, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by r0tor
Brake squal IS NOT A PROBLEM. If your brake suddenly don't slow you down - THATS A PROBLEM!!!
Brake squeal is primarily caused by either driving aggressively and glazing the pads over or not using the brakes hard enough and creating too smooth of a surface. In either event if you think a little squeal is bad, your shouldn't be driving the car.
If you want to hear some brake squeal, try going to a track event and listening to really expensive pads making all kinds of rediculous noises.
Brake squeal is primarily caused by either driving aggressively and glazing the pads over or not using the brakes hard enough and creating too smooth of a surface. In either event if you think a little squeal is bad, your shouldn't be driving the car.
If you want to hear some brake squeal, try going to a track event and listening to really expensive pads making all kinds of rediculous noises.
This is not a design problem but a material problem. The material of the brake pads. If Mazda didn't think it was an issue there wouldn't be a TSB on it, just like the TSB on the go cart battery Mazda put in these things. People are having issues with this car and for you to post that they should just deal with it shows you either are one of the first buyers that paid way too much for this car and are now pissed about the deals others are getting or you work for Mazda.
SO now your bitching because those who have had issues are making your peers think badly and make fun of your 8. So what...talk about ego's. If the 8 has a bad reputation, Mazda's crappy service centers didn't help any. You cannot tell me that when an owner in the southwest is told he needs a new engine and there are 12 other 8's waiting in front of him for an engine, that he is the cause of that bad rep.
Time to grow up, the world will not end if they all think you drive a crap car. If you enjoy the car, who cares what others think...or if this is a problem that you can't deal with maybe YOU should sell your call and buy a ***** envy porsche...
This car is not the end all of sports cars...I love this car, but I'm under no illusion that there is nothing wrong with it as parts are falls off driving down the street and me pretending they aren't falling...
08-07-2006, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by rodrigo67
This is not a design problem but a material problem. The material of the brake pads. If Mazda didn't think it was an issue there wouldn't be a TSB on it, just like the TSB on the go cart battery Mazda put in these things. People are having issues with this car and for you to post that they should just deal with it shows you either are one of the first buyers that paid way too much for this car and are now pissed about the deals others are getting or you work for Mazda. ...
There is only a TSB out there because too many people that bought the car should have bought a Handa Accord but got lured in with the sportscar you can live with advertising. There is nothing wrong with braking performance.
end of discussion
08-07-2006, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by r0tor
If you want Honda Accord pad material and honda accord braking performance - buy a Honda Accord... the rest of us will enjoy the best braking performance of a japanese car EVER (bar none).
There is only a TSB out there because too many people that bought the car should have bought a Handa Accord but got lured in with the sportscar you can live with advertising. There is nothing wrong with braking performance.
end of discussion
There is only a TSB out there because too many people that bought the car should have bought a Handa Accord but got lured in with the sportscar you can live with advertising. There is nothing wrong with braking performance.
end of discussion
08-07-2006, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by saturn
I've ridden around in Evo's, Corvette's, and Viper's and never heard squeal as bad as my friend's 8 -- after a TSB. Why was there a TSB if there was no problem? The 8 has dozens of TSB's -- I guess those are all just to appease whiny customers...
This isn't a question about whether squeal is totally unacceptable. It all has to do with the degree. I don't understand why you can't grasp the fact that some people have legitimate problems. Mediocre gas mileage and slight brake squeal aren't anything to write home about, but there seem to be a good number of people that have problems that are just ignored by their dealers.
This isn't a question about whether squeal is totally unacceptable. It all has to do with the degree. I don't understand why you can't grasp the fact that some people have legitimate problems. Mediocre gas mileage and slight brake squeal aren't anything to write home about, but there seem to be a good number of people that have problems that are just ignored by their dealers.
Try living with EVO's, Corvettes, and Vipers - you may get a different perspective. You damn well know the TSB exists because of whiners as there has never been a saftey related problem with the brakes.
Mediocre gas milage? If thats a problem you shouldn't have bought the car or should be driving in a more sane fashion.
Other countries don't have customer service problems because other people in the other countries can relate consequences with their actions and don't EXPECT a company to bend over backwards for them.
08-07-2006, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by r0tor
Brake squal IS NOT A PROBLEM. If your brake suddenly don't slow you down - THATS A PROBLEM!!!
I also think that for those of you worried about the perception of our cars affecting resale value, consider the fact that lots of RX-8's make a funny noise when coming to a stop!
This subject is only relevant to this thread in this sense: Some people seem to think that the action Mazda has taken here is the fault of the consumer, for complaining about things that they shouldn't. I find it hard to believe that we're somehow mystically whinier than owners of other cars. My issue is the response of the manufacturer.
Blaming the customer for overreacting to issues is not a good way for a company to increase market share. I want Mazda, the RX-8, and the rotary to be successful too - I just think Mazda's taking the wrong approach here.
08-07-2006, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by RevTo9K
I would say that brake squeal is a problem; brakes suddenly not slowing you down is a catastrophic failure. Brake squeal is a TSB; brakes suddenly not slowing you down is a recall and a stop delivery.
I also think that for those of you worried about the perception of our cars affecting resale value, consider the fact that lots of RX-8's make a funny noise when coming to a stop!
This subject is only relevant to this thread in this sense: Some people seem to think that the action Mazda has taken here is the fault of the consumer, for complaining about things that they shouldn't. I find it hard to believe that we're somehow mystically whinier than owners of other cars. My issue is the response of the manufacturer.
Blaming the customer for overreacting to issues is not a good way for a company to increase market share. I want Mazda, the RX-8, and the rotary to be successful too - I just think Mazda's taking the wrong approach here.
I also think that for those of you worried about the perception of our cars affecting resale value, consider the fact that lots of RX-8's make a funny noise when coming to a stop!
This subject is only relevant to this thread in this sense: Some people seem to think that the action Mazda has taken here is the fault of the consumer, for complaining about things that they shouldn't. I find it hard to believe that we're somehow mystically whinier than owners of other cars. My issue is the response of the manufacturer.
Blaming the customer for overreacting to issues is not a good way for a company to increase market share. I want Mazda, the RX-8, and the rotary to be successful too - I just think Mazda's taking the wrong approach here.
brake sqeal is a problem, and mazda has to fix it. it is and easy to fix problem and wont affect resale value.
I have a group of friends that own several deelers and I have acces to records, I can asure you that most cars have similar or more problems in then but they dont make a huge fuss over it on the inernet!
remember the rx-8 is a unique car in mazdas line up, very little of its parts is use with other mazda cars, unlike nissan and other cars.
08-07-2006, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BunnyGirl
I am fully and totally agreeing with you here. People overreact to nonissues all the time and then are not happy when they aren't easily fixed, i.e. squeaks and rattles. I could care less if my brakes squeaked if they were still doing their job like they were supposed to. Granted I only have around 5350 miles on my car now at four months old and they have only squeaked once (when it was raining) but I wasn't concerned about it. They still grabbed and held fine. They were working. Mazda didn't advertise having "silent" brakes. Constant bitchign about gas mileage is annoying, too. It's a sports car!! I swear people think it should be getting over 30 mpg all the time.
Constant bitchign about gas mileage is annoying, too. It's a sports car!! I swear people think it should be getting over 30 mpg all the time. 
the next time BunnyGirl talks about people getting bad mileage im going to kill myself. you have been fortunate to get the mileage you were supposed to get. that doesnt mean that everyone getting 12-16 mpg is a whiner.
and we ALL know your dealership rules, and blah blah.
I cant believe people give BlueSky crap...
08-07-2006, 01:05 PM
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Can we please put this puppy back on topic??? If you wanna **** all over one another about who has the squeakiest brakes or who has the worst mpg there are hundreds of other threads to do it in. 
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I think the thread should be closed. The issue has been addressed by Mazda Corp. Some are satisfied, some are not and never will be. All we can due is hope for the best at this point. Continuing to whine wont solve anything. I understand there is a saying "the squeaky wheel gets the grease", but now its is just annoying. I wish you guys (and gals) could spend a couple of days behind the desk of a service consultant or manager, it would be enlightening to say the least.