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Old 10-05-2010, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by WILFREDO
Does it cover the rack and pinion? :o)
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I heard the computer was covered too. Anyone else heard this? Anyone here from Jackson Tn? Am I the only idiot from here to buy one of these cars?
Check the first post of this thread for the specifics. It has a link to the document...
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Extended Warranty???

heylo RX8 owners,

I just recently got my rx8 in march 2010 from a dealer in roseville, CA... it's a used 2004 rx8 with about 57k miles on it... how would i know if my rx8 is covered under the extended warranty of 8 years/100k miles? i'm asking because my check engine light is on... can any help me pls...

Thanks!!
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It should be. You can ask a Mazda dealer to look it up for you, or you can call Mazda North America, the phone number of which I think is in this thread somewhere, although I'm not digging through to find it. There is an outside chance that the warranty was voided somewhere in the life of the car, and you do realize that the extended warranty only covers the internal components of the rotor housings right? Whatever is setting you CEL is most likely not covered.
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Originally Posted by ms.yang
heylo RX8 owners,

I just recently got my rx8 in march 2010 from a dealer in roseville, CA... it's a used 2004 rx8 with about 57k miles on it... how would i know if my rx8 is covered under the extended warranty of 8 years/100k miles? i'm asking because my check engine light is on... can any help me pls...

Thanks!!
If you have the owners manual it should have the number to mazda in it, if not ask your dealership. I would stop by autozone and have them hook up their code checker and they can ballpark you CEL. I had a recirc valve or something like that sticking according to the code it was throwing. It didn't matter because the engine went out soon after. The 2004's were problematic and you may want to look in to buying an extended warranty if you plan on keeping the car for any length of time(just a thought). I have about 71K on mine and I'm on engine #3, and trandsmission #2, and clutch #2.
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Originally Posted by Haze
It should be. You can ask a Mazda dealer to look it up for you, or you can call Mazda North America, the phone number of which I think is in this thread somewhere, although I'm not digging through to find it. There is an outside chance that the warranty was voided somewhere in the life of the car, and you do realize that the extended warranty only covers the internal components of the rotor housings right? Whatever is setting you CEL is most likely not covered.


The dealer or Mazda North America could print out a service history of the car. This could really help to see where we are at. What were you doing when the CEL lit up...it could be as simple as a loose gas cap after filling up.
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Originally Posted by Rhino8487
If you have the owners manual it should have the number to mazda in it, if not ask your dealership. I would stop by autozone and have them hook up their code checker and they can ballpark you CEL. I had a recirc valve or something like that sticking according to the code it was throwing. It didn't matter because the engine went out soon after. The 2004's were problematic and you may want to look in to buying an extended warranty if you plan on keeping the car for any length of time(just a thought). I have about 71K on mine and I'm on engine #3, and trandsmission #2, and clutch #2.
Thanks so much for the info!!! i am so surprised that you had to go through so much for your rx8... my mileage is about 57k and my check engine light is on, the oil light is on, and my tire pressure light is on... i can hear clicking when i turn sometimes... btw.. thanks for the advise... and i dnt have a manual for my car but i will check out my mazda dealer...
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CONFIRMED FROM SERVICE DEPARTMENTS AT MULTIPLE DEALERS
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Dear Mazda Dealer:

Mazda Motor Corporation is extending the warranty coverage on Rotary Engine Core Components on all 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008 model year RX-8 vehicles. The warranty coverage for the Rotary Engine Core Components is extended to 8 years (96 months) from the original warranty start date, with a 100,000 mileage limitation.

The following is a list of components covered by this warranty:

Rotary Engine Core

Rotary Housing and Internal Parts

Internal Seals and Gaskets

This is not a recall. This is a warranty extension for the specified parts only. Inspection and replacement of non-failed parts will not be eligible for reimbursement to the dealer or customer. This program extends the warranty period for actual failures due to defects in workmanship or materials in accordance with Mazda Warranty Policy and Procedures.

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Originally Posted by ms.yang
heylo RX8 owners,

I just recently got my rx8 in march 2010 from a dealer in roseville, CA... it's a used 2004 rx8 with about 57k miles on it... how would i know if my rx8 is covered under the extended warranty of 8 years/100k miles? i'm asking because my check engine light is on... can any help me pls...

Thanks!!
Originally Posted by shaunv74
Check the first post of this thread for the specifics. It has a link to the document...
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Thanks for reposting that. I don't think that she gets that the warranty is only for rotor housing internals only.
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remember, car won't start? don't guess and replace parts. catalytic converter causes this and is under warranty up to 80 thousand miles. was cause of mine
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Originally Posted by glynda 64
remember, car won't start? don't guess and replace parts. catalytic converter causes this and is under warranty up to 80 thousand miles. was cause of mine


Replacing the catalytic converter because your car won't start IS just "guess and replace". Your catalytic converter WILL NOT cause your engine to not start. If you had your cat replaced, I am guessing it was toasted/failed, and the typical reason for that is ignition failure, typically coil, but could be plug or plug wire too. Ignition failure will certainly cause your car to not start (once it gets severe enough).


So you had 1 problem that caused 2 others. Don't assume that an effect of the first problem is the cause for the other effect.

No-start could be caused by:
- Weak/Dead/Missing battery
- Weak/Corroded/Broken/Missing battery connectors
- Weak/Dead/Missing starter
- Loose or missing power connectors to the starter
- Weak/Dead/Missing coils
- Weak/Dead/Missing plug wires
- Weak/Dead/Missing plugs
- Missing/Dirty/Disconnected e-shaft sensor
- Blown Room/Starter/Ignition/FuelPump fuse
- Damaged/Failed throttlebody (if it failed full closed)
- Low engine compression
- Carbon Locked engine
- Seized engine


Given that her oil light is on, it wouldn't shock me if it was run out of oil and the engine seized.
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Can't this be voided if a cold air intake is installed not by a " professional"?
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Can't this be voided if a cold air intake is installed not by a " professional"?
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From my thread: (https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-forum-197/new-potential-owners-start-here-202454/)

Warranty Concerns:
Warranty is a legal liability warranty like any other. (I went through a warranty fight with Toyota over my previously mentioned engine) That being said, you have to understand what a warranty claim actually is, and what it isn't.

When someone (a manufacturer, dealer, finance company, etc...) issues a warranty, they are accepting liability for that period of time/distance, accepting that any issues within the warranty coverage areas are either A) not supposed to happen or B) happen infrequently enough that they will be able to cover the cost of the repairs from the warranty charges from others that don't. Legally, it is only A), but practically, it is both.

When something breaks on your car, and it should be covered under warranty, your request for warranty service is legally a request for the warranty issuer (usually the manufacturer) to accept liability for damage/repairs as agreed.

If the warranty issuer accepts liabilty, which is usual, then they reimburse the shop for the costs of repairs. This is true even of dealers. Dealers charge the cost of repairs to Mazda USA, and get reimbursed. They make a lot of money on engine replacements. This is a critical point to keep in mind. The dealers can choose to not even file for warranty coverage (usually due to laziness), or they intentionally or accidentally misrepresent your car and modifications to Mazda USA during the discussion when Mazda is deciding on if they will accept the liability or not.

Moving closer to an answer to your question, sorry, there is some ground work I like to explain out, because I end up there anyway later on with more questions

If a warranty issuer decides they don't want to accept liability, then there is a fight ahead, at some level. Dealers are notorious for making this decision without even asking their parent company. Warranty requests are something of a mark against dealers I think. However, another critical point to recognize is that when a vehicle that is still within warranty period is denied warranty coverage, the warranty issuer has the burden of proof legally. They have to prove that a non-OEM part, a non-approved action, or a lack of required action caused the failure. If your only mod is a short shifter and your visor breaks, they can not possibly prove the link legally, because there isn't any. (Dealers have been known to try crazy stuff like that). If your transmission syncros fail though, well, there is more gray area. Legally, they have to prove the short shifter caused it, but there is enough gray that they might get it by.

Maintenance records is the big one. For all of history of warranties being issued, dealers have asked for maintenance records as proof of service before coverage. However, it isn't actually proof. Records simply close a loophole that they might try to exploit to get out of accepting liability. A vehicle with no service records at all can have an engine failure, and the warranty issues has to prove that a lack of service caused the failure. Legally. Of course getting to that point might still be costly fighting that battle, whether in time, money, and/or stress. They "win" alot of the warranty requests because the owners don't know any better, aren't prepared to fight them, or they are flat out lied to. Talking about all manufacturers here. Mazda is a bit better than most in my opinion, though they are certainly not exempt.


So directly back to your question, keeping all that in your mind, there is no intake or exhaust modification that will directly void your warranty legally. However, there are certainly dealers which can tell you that it will, tell you that it did, or even tell Mazda USA that you have an "illegal" or "not street approved" or "non Mazda" intake component, which could certainly cause them to deny you. And no, most people never hear those conversations. Conversely, there is another dealer I know about that ignores heavy modifications on an 8 that is routinely in for service and tells Mazda USA that the car is stock, because the dealer is intelligent and knows that the mods have nothing to do with the warranty work and introducing them into the conversation would make it harder on the honest customer.

The oil pressure mod is slowly gaining popularity as a reliability increase, however it would almost certainly cause a voided warranty if recognized, since it is a modification to the oil system, and lack of oil lubrication is a big cause of the failures around here, though there is basically zero chance that dealer would be able to detect it. Legally, it would a non-OEM change that the engine "wasn't designed for" and they would legally win that fight. Though practically, it just boosts the oil pressure up to where Mazda did OEM for the Series 2 engine. Rough call there if detected.

Given the history of failure with this engine (though smaller than people think it is), if it got to a legal fight, Mazda has very little chance at winning unless there was something changed about the engine itself (turbo, supercharger, oil, seals, rebuilt, etc...). But you don't want to get to that part. So in the end it comes down to 2 realistic options: 1) Build a relationship with your neighboring dealer, soaking the extra cost of time and money for routine maintenance so you develop that relationship and grease the gears if something warranty pops up, or 2), do everything yourself, and any warranty claims are more casual attempts where you are willing to take it on yourself if denied. I chose option 2. I figure I save more in money over time doing my own work than it would cost me to replace my engine myself, if it comes to that. Though I certainly will make an attempt at warranty coverage first.

Another thing to keep in mind is that dealer techs largely don't know what they are doing. A small few understand that the rotary is different, and very rare few actually know what they are doing and what to look for. 90%+ of Mazda techs don't even know that coils can fail during the life of the car, and there is a very real possibility that a lot of the early engine replacements simply needed new coils, not a new engine. (similar symptoms) With any issue, come here first. The collective knowledge here is far more than any tech at a dealer. (though there is alot of misinformation too, so you have to learn to sort through it and get backup clarification, etc...)

Case in point, my 8 not being back to normal after my cat failure. It got to the point I was having multiple problems that we couldn't figure out here, but it was all pointing towards engine failure (hard start, no start, misfires, low of power, etc...) I brought it a local dealer for a straight compression test, to rule that in or out (compression test is one of the few things you can't do yourself, unless you buy an electronic compression tester designed for a rotary. Standard ones won't give you all the readings you need). The tech I thought was dealing with the car talked to me like I was stupid for a while, claiming all sorts of crap about the cats don't fail and resetting sensors was a "special mazda way", etc... Finally they put it on a lift and start diagnosis. They give me the lowest compression readings I have ever seen on here, a clearly failing vacuum voltage reading, and then claim that there is no replacement needed. Clearly just lazy and don't want to do the work or the paperwork, but didn't charge me, instead charging it under the powertrain warranty. I brought it to another dealer, who then couldn't duplicate the first dealer's readings at all, in fact couldn't find anything wrong outside of a bit of rust on a plug wire and weak/failing starter. Nothing failing that could be covered under warranty, but he felt bad so he only charged me dealer cost on the labor of diagnosis, and nothing more (like 1/10th of what it would have been). Nothing wrong under warranty, nothing to submit, so he had to charge me. So the first dealer wasn't just lazy, they were incompetent as well.


So when you ask if something will or will not void a warranty, it will very rarely be a "yes, that will void it", but that doesn't mean you won't have a fight. Be prepared.
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Mazda is replacing my engine in my 2007, they keep trying to get me to purchase a Catalytic Converter even though nothing is wrong with mine. The guy mentioned it at least 5 times. I'm hopeing they dont (Suddenly come up) with alot of other things wrong that they want to charge me for.
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tell him by all means to replace the cat. it's warranty is even greater than that of the 13b. shouldn't cost you a dime.
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They said the Cat is going to cost me over 1300 because it's out of warranty.
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take your car somewhere else. you're being screwed with

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...t=cat+warranty
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Why are they saying you need a new cat? What was wrong with it and what were the symptoms? My car went T.U. on me in June of this year. It was surging and running rough and it was so hot inside the trunk the carpet in the trunk melted a CD case and you could see the heat vapors rising out iof the trunk. I explained this to the dealership and asked if the cat could have stopped up and become overheated, and the final verdict from the techs was no the cat was fine. This makes me wonder why they are saying you need a cat? I also have an extended warranty so the warranty company won't pay for BS. Just a thought, but if you plan on keeping your car for a while I would research the reliability of your model year and look into an extended warranty. $50 or $100 for a deductible is alot better than buying a transmission out right. You can get a warranty for about $1100 and you may never use it, but for me it was worth it. My 2004 is on it's third motor,second transmission, second clutch, second fuel pump and two of the four coil packs were replaced. I took it in the shorts with the clutch because that was a wear and tear item not covered under factory warranty plus I was already at 38K miles. In hindsight I think they lied to my wife on what was actually wrong. She was having problems shifting and it was diagnosed to the clutch and I found later on that the pedal actually went to the floor and couldn't be shifted, which in hindsight sounds like it was a linkage issue. I was out of state for a few months and had to trust the dealership. I just received a mailer concerning a clutch linkage problem that sounds like the one I paid $1800 for. I don't put a lot of faith in to dealerships. In my opinion when you are out of the dealer warranty I would get an extended warranty from a reputable company. I can't offer too many opinions because I'm a V-8 guy and this is the first warranty that I've owned. I don't drive this car much, it handles very well but it doesn't have the kick in the pants my SRT8 Challenger does, so I don't drive it much. I also can't figue out why I'm having so many problems with a car that is 7yrs old with 73K miles.
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My dealership has mine and i was just wondering where are these engines being built? They told us about a three to four week turn around due to these engines being hand built somewhere.

Also, do these engine come with the extended warranty or do they retain the original warranty that came with the car?
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They retain the original warranty that came with the car.
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Does anyone have any info on who actually builds the replace the replacement engine?
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Does anyone have any info on who actually builds the replace the replacement engine?
There is a Mazda owned facility in Virginia that rebuilds the engines. I thought I read something to the affect that they were over worked and some of the work was being farmed out to a third party. Prior to the Virginia facility opening, the people that were doing the rebuilds didn't do a good job. I got one of their engines. My present engine came from Virginia.
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My dealership has mine and i was just wondering where are these engines being built? They told us about a three to four week turn around due to these engines being hand built somewhere.
My replacement came in within a week, brought the car in on a Monday afternoon and had it back by Wednesday. This was last month


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