alz0rz

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SAME WITH MINE!

It's an 05 but it was registed May of 06.. so I get power train up until 2011!!

dmc27

Lucky you - I'm likely to be out of warranty by the beginning of 2010.

teknics

Alrighty let's clear up the confusion.

If you absolutely have no warranty (aka it is more then 5 years/ 60k miles since the day you purchased the car) Then:
- MSP16 ECU Flash is free
- Decarbonization of the motor is NOT free.

The reason for this is that the decarb process is a TSB, TSB's are merely there to assist people in diagnosing the car, whereas a RECALL is the manufacturer saying "there is this exact problem with EVERY vehicle".

Now as for "Which TSB involves the engine cleaner"

There are, in fact, 3 individual TSB's involving the Zoom Engine Cleaner:
01-014/08 - Engine Lack Of Power
01-015/08 - Engine Cranks, No Start
01-019/08 - MIL On - DTC P2070 (SSV Stuck Open) Set

The first 2 are obvious and have been discussed, the last one is something that Wayne Mazda was actually part of getting solved. Mazda began seeing numerous P2070 codes on RX8, and the original official fix for a P2070 was replacement of the intake manifold, which is not a cheap solution. So the exact cause was tracked down and thats our new TSB.

It's also a helpful TSB for you guys that are out of warranty, have a code P2070 and don't want to get shafted by the dealer and have to pay for a whole brand new manifold.

So hopefully thats cleared up any questions about when the decarb process is used, and when/why you have to pay for it when out of warranty.

kevin.

klepto

kevin you ar the man to be helping everyoen out...Im sure there are going to be members that will benefit from this info.

cas2themoe

Got the MSP16 done yesterday. Wanted to wait till I drove the car a couple times before I posted. There is a definite increase in power at lower RPM's.

dmc27

+1

teknics

when i started with rx7's there were more then a few times when i was like "damn, wish i knew someone that had inside info" and I figure hell now im the one with the dealer/inside info and im sure you rx8 guys need the same info/advice that I used to need.

I'm happy to assist in anyway possible, I've been trying to get to all my PM's to help on a personal level when I come, if you havent gotten a reply yet, dont worry I'll reply soon just sometimes my afterhours work takes up my internet time lol.

BTW got to work on Kel's car today, had to pull the front bumper to get it up on the alignment rack, everyone was coming by making great comments on the car, so its definitely nice to have fellow rotorheads coming by

kevin.

chrism

glad his car got fixed.....now i can finally stop hearing him whine about it... ...sorry bro i couldnt resist

klepto

/\ lmao....

Kevin everythign you do for us is highly appreciated.

mja64

i called Tasca to get the latest flash but they acted like they knew nothing of it and said they couldnt do it unless i had the card in the mail saying i need the recall. sounds funny to me. i'd like to get this done soon, where should i go? i'm in RI. thxs

sleep

Hi guys, I have 2005 RX8 and went to the dealership to get my motor mounts replaced because of a rattle/vibration.

The dealership replaced the motor mount and flashed the ECU for free, but charged me $150 dollars for the decarb. The dealership asked me about loss of power, but my car has always had that problem so I replied "it's not worse than usual."

Anyway, I'm rather upset now that I realize the decarb was free especially considering that I had to wait a month to save up the money to get it done on my car. I had the car serviced the month before because I couldn't start it (flooded/bad battery)

Do you guys think it's reasonable to have them refund the money for the work they performed on my car and have it covered under warranty, or should I just take this as one of those "live and learn" lessons?

dmc27

I think it's completely reasonable to expect a refund. The problem is they don't sound, um, reputable if they charged you in the first place. Getting your money back will probably be a massive headache. But it's definitely worth speaking to the service manager and expecting to walk out of there with $150 worth of free service or something along those lines.

Ugh. Tasca's "service advisors" are circle jerk jackholes. It was a big game trying to get my car in for the taillights, but they did the recall flash when the lights were done. Sadly, when the emissions recall came out in 06 the service mgr at Newport Autocenter (where I bought the car) had the same crappy answer. The local dealers seem to have no original/progressive though, and if there's no paper trail or computer prompt they look at you like you have five heads.

I would say just go to Tasca and set up an appointment at the cashier's desk. (Go in the showroom entrance, then thru the service bays into the waiting room and it's right in front of you) That's what I had to do even after the service guys had ok'd the tail light fix on mine. None of them would bother returning my call after they jerked me around for a weekend before ok'ing the fix. So I went back in and they sent me there to book an appointment anyway. They certainly know what the recall is, but I can give you the reciept item #s from mine.

mja64

dmc, i'll let you know about the receipt. i actually had the tail lights done by tasca without any hassle, i also asked them for a copy of all the warranty work that was performed on the car right up to now. i was amazed by how many claims for one car! at least i know the 420 flash was performed and a new cat. i'll try going there in person, its just tuff cause all the mazda techs go home at 4pm...when i get out of work of course.

dmc27

when the tech saw the condensation in my light he got the ok for the work. he then proceeded to take my registration and all my info and enter it into the computer.

the short version = the tech didn't bother returning my calls to set up an appointment so I went in and asked to set one up. they directed me to the cashier's desk. the cashier then had to enter all my information again b/c somehow it was not in their system. WTF??

which means you could probably just walk in there and set an appointment for a "reflash" and the cashier would not know anything about the conversation you may have had with the techs. once your car is there they will do it b/c it's just a matter of hooking up the computer.

or you could just say you had a CEL. when they go to check it and find no CEL you still get the flash. problem solved. (I had a CEL once, called to bring it in the next morning & it was gone when I started it up the next morning so I just cancelled the appt.)

mja64

are the cels saved in memory? was wondering cause i had a plug wire hanging off for who knows how long. the tip of the plug was very rusty. never saw a cel light though. car actually ran ok like that too, better now of course!

muythaibxr

The ROOM fuse is definitely connected... pulling it pulls the constant battery power that allows the PCM to retain all the trim-table adjustments it makes while you're driving. Pulling that fuse resets to factory defaults essentially. Normally after that people notice a slight power increase until the PCM adjusts again.

I just read the TSB and you're right, the instructions say not to pull the fuse. My dealer told me they DID pull the fuse, so they did something they should not have done.

That said, I noticed a slight power increase the first day, but after I drove it on the highway a few times, it's back to normal.

Ken

teknics

Yea i figured it was connected like all the other ones but I wasnt positive, dont really have any power to the PCM problems.

Anyway, I've never pulled the room fuse when reprogramming any cars, only time it really powers down is when we swap out the PCMs.

BTW, so you all are aware, this MSP16 flash has actually been available to Mazda dealers since near the end of November. I know the first time I used the flash was the first week of December, i probably used it before that but i cant remember. Like I said in a previous topic, the techs know about all these tsbs and reflashes long before the public.

Hell i currently do a recall on the cx9's that is completely not official public knowledge, and wont be for probably at least 6 more months.

kevin.

Like Whoa

my car currently has 65,xxx miles on it, but i actually had a reman engine put in under warranty @ 59,xxx miles. they told me the warranty extends for another year or 10k miles, so can i get it de-carb under warranty?

teknics

you actually should get a 12 month, 12k mile warranty on that motor. Unfortunately that is a parts warranty only. Which means the decarb would not be free.

kevin.

nycgps

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While Im waiting for you to reply my pm ... (I buy u a beer if I go Wayne Mazda, I swear !)

Im just wondering, is there any new flashes out for CX-7 ?

Its my father's car, kinda curious.

Thx

dmc27

I am not sure. I know it saves info, but I honestly don't know what info or for how long.

yup, but that doesn't really help much when you have some of the more useless service guys who say things like "we can't do that til you get paperwork in the mail" - choo-know?? lol.

ODDDOOD

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Is there any way you can verify this.

I took my car in for my own "lack of power" complaint at the end of December and they said it was due to my spark plugs and coils. While changing those things (at my cost) despite the fact that they were less than 10k old, the change did help but did not completely resolve my issue. Funny they didn't mention this reflash then...I think I'll make a stop by that dealership (now my old dealership) today and see what things I can get figured out. I hate stealerships...

Anyone in Raleigh, NC...stay away from Capital Mazda. I've only had bad experiences ever since I got on a first name basis with them. I've been pleasantly surprised with Southern States Mazda...that is where I am going from now on.

chrism

dude he is a tech at mazda......what more verification do you need?.....ask me how i know he is a tech......

Like Whoa

bummer, so what's your schedule like? i wanna come to wayne!

wait... chrism how do you know?

alz0rz

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because hes worked on all our cars at Wayne Mazda in NJ...

............. and also because he had his own thread introducing himself!!!