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RECALL: Engine Lack of Power (MSP16)

Old 04-09-2008, 08:59 AM
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RECALL: Engine Lack of Power (MSP16)

In case you didn't know.

MAZDA SPECIAL PROGRAM (MSP16) - ENGINE LACK OF POWER - PCM REFLASH Added 03/14/08
http://www.finishlineperformance.com...13-08-1925.pdf

The post card I had gotten last week that we all thought was a TSB apparently is a full on recall. I made my appointment for Saturday @ Wayne Mazda. I'll be there at 8 AM. As a matter of fact Chrism is there now getting it handled.
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Old 04-09-2008, 09:30 AM
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please let us know how it goes.

probably Chrism could chime in and tell if there is a noticeable difference

I'll keep an eye on this thread
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Old 04-09-2008, 11:34 AM
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went well....you can actually feel the car pulling harder after this....but i also insisted on the de-carb
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went well....you can actually feel the car pulling harder after this....but i also insisted on the de-carb
when you said you insisted on the the de-carb that means you put pressure on them to do it and get it covered under warranty or I'm wrong ??
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Old 04-09-2008, 02:52 PM
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I'm right out on long island, and I havnt gotten a postcard yet. I'm assuming they send this out to all RX-8 owners? I know they have my address. I'm at 51K miles, but even if they only care about people who are still under warranty, the powertrain dealie is till 60K. Has anyone else not heard anything from Mazda?
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Old 04-09-2008, 03:04 PM
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It's a recall so you don't need the post card just make an appointment it is an actual recall.
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Old 04-09-2008, 04:07 PM
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the de-carb is for no start.......apparently the recall is just for the flash
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Old 04-09-2008, 06:08 PM
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Actually, just as an official word. Apparently most people at mazda have been confusing this TSB & Recall:

The recall is MSP16 which is ONLY a PCM Reflash for people who want it reflashed but have no complaints.

For the Engine Decarbonization TSB there needs to be a customer complaint of "Lack Of Power", i dont know why or who (at my work at least) decided it was only for no starts but as soon as i heard that i was like "hmm thats not what i remember reading"

Just a small excerpt from the official mazda tech site's TSB posting:

"TSB: 01-014/08
2004-2008 RX-8 - ENGINE LACK OF POWER
BULLETIN NOTE
This bulletin supersedes the previous bulletin 01-014/08, issued 3/19/2008. The WARRANTY INFORMATION has been revised.

APPLICABLE MODEL(S)/VINS
2004-2008 RX-8

DESCRIPTION
Some customers may experience a lack of engine power and an low engine idle speed during high ambient temperatures. This may be caused by poor sealing of rotor chambers due to an accumulation of carbon on the rotor housing trocoid surface. This is caused by a lack of metering oil lubrication during engine start or insufficient ignition timing under high ambient temperature condition. A revised PCM calibration is available which increases metering oil lubrication amount during engine start. Ignition timing under high ambient temperature is recalibrated as well.

Customers who are currently experiencing a lack of engine power and low engine idle speed should have their vehicle repaired using the following repair procedure."

Note that last paragraph, nothing about a no start situation, just lack of power.

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thank you for clarifying.....very happy to have some one finally assisting us at a decent dealer!.....you should read some of the horror stories that are eminating from the likes of Sansone and Lodi....its tragic....thats why i have been referring every one i know to Wayne.....they take care of thier people....which is why im a huge advocate of them!
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thank you for clarifying.....very happy to have some one finally assisting us at a decent dealer!.....you should read some of the horror stories that are eminating from the likes of Sansone and Lodi....its tragic....thats why i have been referring every one i know to Wayne.....they take care of thier people....which is why im a huge advocate of them!
Yea figured I'd clkarify it because that situation today confused the hell out of me, thats why ocne i heard mike say it was only for no starts i went right to the warranty guy lol.

We hear stories about all the mazda dealers all the time....hell we have to work on their problem cars all the time too. Should see some of the stuff weve seen come out of the other dealers.

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Old 04-09-2008, 06:27 PM
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i know of a blue one in specific from very recently..........
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Just got a call today about this recall. Nice to see you guys started a thread on here to save me time doing a "Search".
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search n00b!!
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StFu Ricerboi!
Hmm curious if this will get rid of my excessive Vibration and bad gasmilage.. wait no.. thats my mounts blown (again!) and clogged CAT (no cel again)....... lol.. I wish gas was cheaper 'cause I'd haul *** down to this dealer Chrism... UGH!
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dude take the hit and drive down.....it might save you the aggravation!
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Old 04-09-2008, 07:31 PM
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Got mine plus an oil change.. car feels for responsive and smoother.. as for power, its about that same.
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Old 04-09-2008, 08:12 PM
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StFu Ricerboi!
Hmm curious if this will get rid of my excessive Vibration and bad gasmilage.. wait no.. thats my mounts blown (again!) and clogged CAT (no cel again)....... lol.. I wish gas was cheaper 'cause I'd haul *** down to this dealer Chrism... UGH!
is your car manual or auto?

Autos generally always vibrate, impossible to get rid of completely.

Whenever i get an 8 that vibrates and is stick the only way Ive found that completely kills it is replacing the mounts (with the proper ones, AT and MT are interchangeable but totally different and you can feel the difference) then i inspect the cat efficiency, then i inspect the coils any sign of a burn and inspect for fouled plugs.

Ive found the cars tend to misfire without ever registering it to the ecu or setting an ecu, its somewhat astounded me in the past Ive been able to audibly hear a misfire and yet the ecu will tell me there isnt one. Lots of times an engine misfire is misdiagnosed as mounts because the CEL isnt on, youd be surprised the amount of vibes a misfire at idle will cause. after driving so many different 8's so often i can generally tell you if your car is misfiring or low on power just by taking it for a trip up the highway.

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clav's car is autotragic 4 port........and they got porters up there in his dealer that call mazda for everything......no real wrench's
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Yes I'm a Auto. I wouldnt mind some vibration but at times this is like massage chair and at times violent vibration. I'm on my second set as I stated. Also my dealer is less than up to snuff on their 8 knowledge. They are only about a few miles away and the next nearest one is about 20 or so miles away if not more. Be nice if this "Recall" will correct the vibration at idle. Oh and I forget at times its so violent it shakes the exhaust (can hear the noise inside the cabin).

Wish I had a extra cash stash 'cause I'd be driving down to see you next week. Every offence to my local dealer but you know what your talking about. If ya want more info send me a PM dont wish to thread jack anymore than I already am haha.
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Old 04-09-2008, 09:20 PM
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cool beans
I setup a service call for sat Morning also
I did it thru there online service as in the Past so I will see if they are not to booked for Sat.hope everything works out lack of power sucks !

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So it does not matter if you are out of warranty right?
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so i got the full thing done............. one weeek later.......

I got 50 more miles out of my tank. the hesitation at wot is gone. the gas smell is gone for when i rev line the car. i think they leaned out the fuel at + 7k

also the but dyno says its more responsive. sweeeeeet!
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is there a point in getting my engine decarbed if i have ~19k miles?
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is there a point in getting my engine decarbed if i have ~19k miles?
Same question only I have under 2k miles, lol
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Thanks for the heads up!
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