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Old 04-03-2008, 10:35 AM
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I know how bubble headed you are.... but i still wouldnt expect you to remember everything about me and my car
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Thanks Ray! Or, Charles, or whoever you are.

What were we talking about?
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got the maps, will be trying them out in the coming days.

one quick question MM, when we first install the flash and start up the car, you want us to let it warm up, take it for a quick drive around the block, THEN check the STFT AT IDLE to determine if we need to add or remove trim correct?
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Originally Posted by \\Konig\\
got the maps, will be trying them out in the coming days.

one quick question MM, when we first install the flash and start up the car, you want us to let it warm up, take it for a quick drive around the block, THEN check the STFT AT IDLE to determine if we need to add or remove trim correct?
I'm also unclear as to read it at idle after I drive around the block or while driving. My instructions stated to add both the stft and ltft #'s together then chose the correct map based on what I got.
Old 04-03-2008, 11:06 AM
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Check it 30 seconds to a minute after the car starts to warm up. If its already something like "+25", then change the map then.
If its "-4", take it for a drive and then check it again.
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Check it 30 seconds to a minute after the car starts to warm up. If its already something like "+25", then change the map then.
If its "-4", take it for a drive and then check it again.
Thanks, and your write up on "you want to be a tuner" was great. The bellow statement describes what I'm seeing with the cobb stage 1 map.
"At cruise and idle, the stoichiometric ratio (14.7) is probably best, though it is often possible to run a bit leaner. Mid throttle power should be in the range from stoich down to 13.5:1. On decel, it is a good idea to cut fuel completely, or at least shoot for ratios as close to 20:1 as possible to prevent loading and backfires."
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill

I get a ton of PMs every day from people wanting to order BHR stuff and most of the authors make a common mistake in thinking that I can remember who each of them are,
and sometimes i wonder why every one has a problem with the search on this forum when i can always find what im looking for with in 2-3 search word variations

then i realized its because i remember damn near every thread ive read/been involved in over the last 6 years and someone pointed out that that is damn near every thread so.... im searching for "known" things and others are searching for "unknown"
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Originally Posted by zoom44
and sometimes i wonder why every one has a problem with the search on this forum when i can always find what im looking for with in 2-3 search word variations

then i realized its because i remember damn near every thread ive been read/been involved in over the last 6 years and someone pointed out that that is damn near every thread so.... im searching for "known" things and others are searching for "unknown"
Yeah I can find the "most beautiful girl" threads 1 & 2 on the first try almost every time
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Does the WOT reading of AFR need to be in a specific gear? Do you recommend gradually building up to 8K or flooring it to 8K holding it there for a few seconds then reading the #?
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WOT means peddle to the metal. You can't really hold the car at 8k while at WOT.

you have to watch while you're accelerating.
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Originally Posted by mysql
WOT means peddle to the metal. You can't really hold the car at 8k while at WOT.

you have to watch while you're accelerating.
Got it, so the gear I'm in does not matter as long as the pedal is floored. I need to go find a lonely back road.
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Originally Posted by devildog1679
Does the WOT reading of AFR need to be in a specific gear? Do you recommend gradually building up to 8K or flooring it to 8K holding it there for a few seconds then reading the #?
It's best to use a data logger, so you can keep yours eyes on the road and tach.

Do this on a track, isolated from traffic. Or, an abandoned runway at a county airport. Whatever you do, you need to be careful. Your posts read like your new to this, so please don't do this in your neighborhood.
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Originally Posted by Nemesis8
It's best to use a data logger, so you can keep yours eyes on the road and tach.

Do this on a track, isolated from traffic. Or, an abandoned runway at a county airport. Whatever you do, you need to be careful. Your posts read like your new to this, so please don't do this in your neighborhood.
I know, I live in Madison WI, a just have to drive a few miles and I'm in cow country? I'm getting me a universal cellphone holder for the meantime. Thanks for the info.
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Start with the pedal NOT floored. Try it about 75% or so and watch the A/F.
Then, try floored.
Do it in second gear and third gear. They are different fuel calculations.
You should see numbers that stay below 13.5 for the most part, other than when you let up on the pedal or first step on it.
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Start with the pedal NOT floored. Try it about 75% or so and watch the A/F.
Then, try floored.
Do it in second gear and third gear. They are different fuel calculations.
You should see numbers that stay below 13.5 for the most part, other than when you let up on the pedal or first step on it.
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i need to do some freeway driving this weekend so i think im not going to reflash my car until sunday so i have a whole week to work with the different maps.

I can plug in the AP and play with the live readout modes even though my car is running on the stock flash right?
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Not sure if this has been brought up before and sorry if it has but I was wondering if flashing the ecu poses any kind of harm to it,
I do know that on some vehicles you can only flash the pcm so many times before it blocks you from flashing anymore...
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flashing it should not harm the PCM. Running the wrong maps for prolonged periods or under certain conditions (WOT) can potentially cause issues
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well there is a limited amount of times it c can be flashed- however the RX-8s PCM can be flashed multiple hundreds of times if not thousands
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Originally Posted by \\Konig\\
i need to do some freeway driving this weekend so i think im not going to reflash my car until sunday so i have a whole week to work with the different maps.

I can plug in the AP and play with the live readout modes even though my car is running on the stock flash right?
Correct. You just need to install the AP. You're not required to change maps to use any of the monitoring features.
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Jeff,

Hate to bother you again but just to make sure. I shoul Install your base map let car warm up then go for a short drive around, stop go to idle and check stft and ltft. Add both #'s together and use that # to chose the appropriate map? I just ask because in your first e-mail you didn't mention adding both #'s but in your second you did. Once the idle trim is correct (as close to 0 as possible) I should drive around at variouse loads but not WOT and see if trims stay within + - 6% of idle trim. Now when I'm checking it this time is it just the stft or ltft that I'm checking or are they added together as well? Please be patient with my questions once I get the hang of this I won't be so annoying.
Old 04-03-2008, 03:53 PM
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Just an FYI: (haven't seen any other posts about it)

I'm running MM_NA_01 with nitrous no problem at all.
Actually seems to pull harder and run smoother when using the juice
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Originally Posted by devildog1679
Jeff,

Hate to bother you again but just to make sure. I shoul Install your base map let car warm up then go for a short drive around, stop go to idle and check stft and ltft. Add both #'s together and use that # to chose the appropriate map? I just ask because in your first e-mail you didn't mention adding both #'s but in your second you did. Once the idle trim is correct (as close to 0 as possible) I should drive around at variouse loads but not WOT and see if trims stay within + - 6% of idle trim. Now when I'm checking it this time is it just the stft or ltft that I'm checking or are they added together as well? Please be patient with my questions once I get the hang of this I won't be so annoying.
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Jeff, question, can I use my AccessPORT on an Automatic RX8? As long as I upload the correct AT map?

Thanks.
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It will only work on one car at a time. You would have to uninstall it from the current vehicle.


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