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Old Jun 29, 2008 | 04:14 PM
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THERE IS NO STAGE TWO!
You start with a basic calibration and then I work with you to maximize it.
Rev limit is 9200 RPM. I can put it anywhere up to 10k upon request.
It doesn't matter what direction the trim is going. As long as its less than ~12% or so, it is inconsequential.
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Old Jun 29, 2008 | 04:24 PM
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That explains why we couldn't come up with an answer at that meet! Alright, thanks for clearing that up. The data that is being posted would be for that maximization then, ok makes sense.

I don't see why Mazda couldn't alter the fan trigger temps with one of their software revisions, I still haven't seen coolant temps past 200F since installing a MM map.

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Old Jun 29, 2008 | 04:29 PM
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According the FSM, Mazda believes that 217°F is an optimal operating temperature.
That must have an emissions implication.
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Old Jun 29, 2008 | 04:36 PM
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Hey Jeff, Switched to the 5b (-10) All my Afr's are looking great until i hit 101 mph then its just 11.1, 100 mph its chilling at 12.5-13.2 but right when i cross the 101 marker its way too rich.
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Old Jun 29, 2008 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
According the FSM, Mazda believes that 217°F is an optimal operating temperature.
That must have an emissions implication.
That's odd. Any time I'd get up that high, it would go well into the 220s before leveling off. On the other hand, my fan(s) are essentially always on now.

I won't be able to dyno or record data for a while, but I'm going to reply to your e-mail with a request shortly. Thanks again, I appreciate you taking in second owners!

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Old Jun 29, 2008 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Jasonawojo
That's odd. Any time I'd get up that high, it would go well into the 220s before leveling off. On the other hand, my fan(s) are essentially always on now.

I won't be able to dyno or record data for a while, but I'm going to reply to your e-mail with a request shortly. Thanks again, I appreciate you taking in second owners!


Wouldn't that be a bad thing for the fans to be running all the time?
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Old Jun 29, 2008 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by alphamale
Wouldn't that be a bad thing for the fans to be running all the time?
I'm not sure, I suppose it's fine as long as the battery is strong. I'm requesting a slightly higher fan trigger temp to try and get the best of both worlds, sorta say. Jeff had mentioned it here. I'd think you'd want to try out the MM setting and see how it works for you first.
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Old Jun 29, 2008 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Jasonawojo
I'm not sure, I suppose it's fine as long as the battery is strong. I'm requesting a slightly higher fan trigger temp to try and get the best of both worlds, sorta say. Jeff had mentioned it here. I'd think you'd want to try out the MM setting and see how it works for you first.

I noticed that after I got the Mazda MSP-16 flash that my fans seem to run more often and for longer duration after I shut the engine off. I wonder if it's just me or if they tweaked the trigger temp.
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Old Jun 29, 2008 | 09:09 PM
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No, the car runs a bit hotter because of the changes to the ignition map, most likely.
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Old Jun 29, 2008 | 09:11 PM
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cat and compression is fine... had em checked today

timing is what im thinking is the problem... im putting in new spark plugs this week to see if condtions improve.. i doubt that is it cause they are only 6 months old.... but whatever... can always pull em .. check em clean em back up and throw em back in



Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
The jaggedness is just the smoothing.
The dyno is low.
Your engine has issues.
Could be ignition, CAT, compression.
Also, we need to know AFRs to see what the tune is doing.
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Old Jun 29, 2008 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by heyarnold69
cat and compression is fine... had em checked today

timing is what im thinking is the problem... im putting in new spark plugs this week to see if condtions improve.. i doubt that is it cause they are only 6 months old.... but whatever... can always pull em .. check em clean em back up and throw em back in
What were your compression numbers?
How was your CAT "checked"?
Coils, not plugs.

Most importantly - have you followed the instructions for your AccessPORT that I sent (and posted)?
What are your load AFRs? Where did your fuel trims net?
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Old Jun 30, 2008 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
The dyno is low.
Right....I had the same HP #'s as Jim (heyarnold), and we are both still running very rich. Jeff, did you get my email from Saturday afternoon? I included my dyno results and all the relevant info. And my plugs and coils were recently changed.


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
The jaggedness is just the smoothing.
Smoothing as in a function of the dyno software? We had 2 other 8's run on the same dyno immediately after him, and there was no jagged-ness. But yeah, his pull did sound and otherwise appear normal, so it seems like some sort of display glitch.

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Old Jun 30, 2008 | 08:06 PM
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cat was checked by some cool maching that measures air in and out of the cat and gasses apparently ... im sure there is a technical name for what the dude did... i just dont know it.
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Old Jul 1, 2008 | 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Without tooting my horn too hard - I created the BHR ignition.
Its CRH's marketing prowess that is making it available to you all.
This is key to understanding a part of the symbiotic relationship that MM and I have. We have complementary skills and interests and if one of us doesn't have the answer, the other one will.

I am simply tooting the "teamwork" horn.

We also have input and help from MANY people who wish to see us successful and, for them, we are grateful.

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Old Jul 1, 2008 | 06:48 PM
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/e wonders how much mr hill is charging and if there is a different map needed
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 03:04 AM
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Everyone that has received an AccessPORT should go back and reread the first post of this thread.
I continue to get questions that are answered there and in the e-mail that is sent to each new purchaser.

If you have received an AccessPORT from me and have NOT received the e-mail that mirrors the first post of this thread (along with a series of questions regarding your particular application), please send an e-mail to ap@mazdamaniac (.com).

Thanks!
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 03:19 AM
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i just went throught that email earlier today. loving it so far, i still need to check my afr under higher load, i only had one chance and i think i hit 11.0
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 07:11 AM
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Jeff just how exact is the AP when giving data. It is not to uncommon to see an afr with a 10.?? under wot. but I have yet to see a 10 while using the efidude datalogger.
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 10:34 AM
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Hey Jeff. I'm still waiting on a tweaked map from you. Do you have an ETA for me?
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
According the FSM, Mazda believes that 217°F is an optimal operating temperature.
That must have an emissions implication.
makes me wonder why everyone gets excited about turning the fans on so early ......
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Brettus
makes me wonder why everyone gets excited about turning the fans on so early ......
I can only speak for myself but by the time it reaches 220 degrees I am headed for disaster. I need to keep my temp down below 220 and I will be fine and the early fans help do that.
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Brettus
makes me wonder why everyone gets excited about turning the fans on so early ......
my guess is the 217 degree mark has nothing to do with peak efficiency or performance. but something else Mazda deems more important. Afterall they also reccomend the 5W20 to the US but not the rest of the world....

i'd venture that it has to do with mileage, emisions or something of that nature
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by paulmasoner
i'd venture that it has to do with mileage, emisions or something of that nature
Yes, and yes.
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 03:07 PM
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From the first page, why are these CEL's masked?

# P0300 Random misfire detected
# P0301 Front rotor misfire detected
# P0302 Rear rotor misfire detected

as well as all the front O2 sensor stuff?
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Everyone that has received an AccessPORT should go back and reread the first post of this thread.
I continue to get questions that are answered there and in the e-mail that is sent to each new purchaser.

If you have received an AccessPORT from me and have NOT received the e-mail that mirrors the first post of this thread (along with a series of questions regarding your particular application), please send an e-mail to ap@mazdamaniac (.com).

Thanks!
I'll admit I am guilty of this. I didn't check to see if the original post was changed and alas it answers my questions. My apologies.
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