Race Roots coming clean....
04-26-2010, 08:49 AM
#227
Del---she been knowing for a while--my own Mother told her years ago.
I just had to wait for the right one. I was young, post war and stupid on the other 2. Yet both were amicable divorces and we did not have any children. It takes some longer than others to learn, i was one that it took a while.
I shall now take care of the stab wound.
OD
I just had to wait for the right one. I was young, post war and stupid on the other 2. Yet both were amicable divorces and we did not have any children. It takes some longer than others to learn, i was one that it took a while.
I shall now take care of the stab wound.
OD
04-26-2010, 08:59 AM
#228
After reading all 10 pages of this, I feel I need to add a bit:
Brice being a liar: Not really news, he chose to repeatedly slander other vendors, and forum members under his Fluid Motorsports name, then toned it down when he became Race Roots and focused on defaming BHR and select few others. This was the first thing I noticed about him, and was a complete turn off for me.
Brice working with Scott: Also not news, I'm pretty sure there were quite a few of us who alluded to this fact many times within the past year, only to be ignored, and alas. It's true. Those of you who are acting so surprised need to just stop, we all knew, most just chose not to admit it, or care.
Brice on Business: He did what he felt was necessary to keep his business alive, something that people do on a daily basis. Was what he did so wrong? Not particularly. He worked closely (for what is beginning to look like years) with someone who scammed our community, but who legally owes us nothing (Bankruptcy FTW). Does Scott deserve a swift kick in the nuts, HELL YEAH, maybe even some mumba bumba, but in the long run, he filed bankruptcy in order to get away with peoples money, and for that, he can't show his face anywhere near us again, which is why he needs a Middle Man.
Brice on being the Middleman: Was Brice really the middleman? More like a puppet. We all know Scott is a master at convincing people of his B.S. Plain and simple, Brice fell for it, found a great way to make money, thought it would last forever, his Puppet master cut the strings, and he fell flat on his face.
Should we forgive Brice? He's a kid, he made mistakes, I can't rule whether he should be forgiven or not, that is for us as individuals, and as a whole to decide. At the end of the day, we shouldn't force him to pay for what someone else has done. No matter the depth of his involvement.
He has some character flaws, as do we all, he has made some mistakes, as have we all, and he has lied, just like us. We shouldn't crucify him, for he has already hung himself. Enough is enough. We should just sit back, and see if he has truly learned anything from this ordeal, or if he is just being Brice.
Brice being a liar: Not really news, he chose to repeatedly slander other vendors, and forum members under his Fluid Motorsports name, then toned it down when he became Race Roots and focused on defaming BHR and select few others. This was the first thing I noticed about him, and was a complete turn off for me.
Brice working with Scott: Also not news, I'm pretty sure there were quite a few of us who alluded to this fact many times within the past year, only to be ignored, and alas. It's true. Those of you who are acting so surprised need to just stop, we all knew, most just chose not to admit it, or care.
Brice on Business: He did what he felt was necessary to keep his business alive, something that people do on a daily basis. Was what he did so wrong? Not particularly. He worked closely (for what is beginning to look like years) with someone who scammed our community, but who legally owes us nothing (Bankruptcy FTW). Does Scott deserve a swift kick in the nuts, HELL YEAH, maybe even some mumba bumba, but in the long run, he filed bankruptcy in order to get away with peoples money, and for that, he can't show his face anywhere near us again, which is why he needs a Middle Man.
Brice on being the Middleman: Was Brice really the middleman? More like a puppet. We all know Scott is a master at convincing people of his B.S. Plain and simple, Brice fell for it, found a great way to make money, thought it would last forever, his Puppet master cut the strings, and he fell flat on his face.
Should we forgive Brice? He's a kid, he made mistakes, I can't rule whether he should be forgiven or not, that is for us as individuals, and as a whole to decide. At the end of the day, we shouldn't force him to pay for what someone else has done. No matter the depth of his involvement.
He has some character flaws, as do we all, he has made some mistakes, as have we all, and he has lied, just like us. We shouldn't crucify him, for he has already hung himself. Enough is enough. We should just sit back, and see if he has truly learned anything from this ordeal, or if he is just being Brice.
I agree time will show what I have learned from this and it will be each individual in the end who decides if I should be forgiven or not.
04-26-2010, 10:04 AM
#229
Karma is a bitch man.............
No really think about it....
Lying is stealing... Stealing of truth and integrity.
Our fore fathers relied on integrity and the trust of God to make this great country of the USA.
If lying wasn't so bad... why is it a Major sin?
04-26-2010, 10:42 AM
#232
Perspective. From my present age of 56, I'd call me at 23 a kid. I'd like to think I've learned something in the intervening 33 years. What people need to learn varies from person to person, and some choose to learn nothing, simply repeating each next year like the last. Is being "young" an excuse for bad behavior? No, but it is a possible explanation. Having had the "learning experience", he can choose to make different decisions or not, just as we are all free to do. (I suspect that OD's choice of his #3 was influenced by his choices of #1 and #2). Equally, RX8Club listers are free to buy from him in the future or not. The combination of the two will determine whether RR is successful or fails. Most biographies of super-successful people also include sections on how they also failed in the past, and how they learned from those failures. Past performance in those cases did not predict the future because the winners learned not to repeat their mistakes. Time will tell all.
04-26-2010, 11:01 AM
#233
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Expectations vary but I work hard for my money and I expect that when I order and pay for something that it is shipped promptly, packaged well, and that the lines of communication are always open. I am reasonable and I understand some issues happen but don't state something is in stock when it is not, and if a customer emails you with a question, answer it. It sucks when things are delayed but if you email or call the customer and explain the situation 99% of the time they will be okay with it. If you start bullshitting then the problems just stack up. As always, honesty really is the best policy.
I have sold many things online and I always ship promptly and send a tracking number ASAP. Not to mention insurance or whatever else is necessary, it's not that difficult to do when it's your line of business.
I have sold many things online and I always ship promptly and send a tracking number ASAP. Not to mention insurance or whatever else is necessary, it's not that difficult to do when it's your line of business.
04-26-2010, 12:37 PM
#234
23 is young imho. Like HiFlite (i am 60) we have lived somewhat longer and have observed/ dealt with many things, whether we wanted to or not. That does allow for some wisdom to acclumilate. Wisdom in itself is hard to pass on as other peoples minds will not allow them to deny the experience presenting. All kinds of justifications/rationizations will be developed by their mind to continue with whatever path it is pursuing. The "self" will not be denied the experience.
Certainly there are "lines in the sand" that the person will not cross. But, never-the less if a person never makes the same mistake twice then he is doing pretty doggone good.
I think Brice is at #1 here?
I know I was a "kid" at 23, hell at times I am still a kid at 60.
Hiflite my choice of number 3 was certainly influenced by my past. Big time. Also, I do believe HER choice to be and stay with me (Thank God) is also because of by that time I had had the fortune of being able to "grow up" and assume responsibility for myself. Honesty being a really big lesson to learn. Forgiveness also. Not only in others but also for myself.
Ray is right everyone --Brice has a lot of work to do but the paycheck is worth it.
Certainly there are "lines in the sand" that the person will not cross. But, never-the less if a person never makes the same mistake twice then he is doing pretty doggone good.
I think Brice is at #1 here?
I know I was a "kid" at 23, hell at times I am still a kid at 60.
Hiflite my choice of number 3 was certainly influenced by my past. Big time. Also, I do believe HER choice to be and stay with me (Thank God) is also because of by that time I had had the fortune of being able to "grow up" and assume responsibility for myself. Honesty being a really big lesson to learn. Forgiveness also. Not only in others but also for myself.
Ray is right everyone --Brice has a lot of work to do but the paycheck is worth it.
04-26-2010, 01:42 PM
#236
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Hell by the time I was 22, I had done three med cruises and countless missions and seen things most will never see. But I admit that at 34 I am a much different person in terms of life and love. We all have room to grow, some will and some will not.
Personally, I could give a **** less if Brice does or doesn't change. It doesn't affect me in the least. My only concern is the issues on the board and that members have been properly notified of the issues and then they can make their own decisions.
Personally, I could give a **** less if Brice does or doesn't change. It doesn't affect me in the least. My only concern is the issues on the board and that members have been properly notified of the issues and then they can make their own decisions.
04-26-2010, 02:59 PM
#237
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Haha, well said Charles.
This forum is well run. I was a mod on another site for years an it is very difficult to please everyone and often people only see one side of the issue. Some things still boggle my mind but I just remind myself that it's not "my" site and it is free so I really have no say
But the fact that we are allowed to discuss things is a good thing.
This forum is well run. I was a mod on another site for years an it is very difficult to please everyone and often people only see one side of the issue. Some things still boggle my mind but I just remind myself that it's not "my" site and it is free so I really have no say
But the fact that we are allowed to discuss things is a good thing.
04-27-2010, 08:11 AM
#238
Haha, well said Charles.
This forum is well run. I was a mod on another site for years an it is very difficult to please everyone and often people only see one side of the issue. Some things still boggle my mind but I just remind myself that it's not "my" site and it is free so I really have no say
But the fact that we are allowed to discuss things is a good thing.
This forum is well run. I was a mod on another site for years an it is very difficult to please everyone and often people only see one side of the issue. Some things still boggle my mind but I just remind myself that it's not "my" site and it is free so I really have no say
But the fact that we are allowed to discuss things is a good thing.
Discussion is always good, but there comes a point where the discussion just gets away from its intended purpose or the point has been driven home enough that it doesn't need to continue.
04-27-2010, 10:56 AM
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Personally I look at it this way -- quality of parts and customer service are required. If you don't have both don't be a seller. If a part is back ordered ... just tell the person when they ordered this is back-ordered. Finally, If there is a delay -- collect a deposit only and not the full amount to ensure a buyers commitment, but not **** them off.
If you are someone who does this ... you have nothing to worry about.
If you are someone who does this ... you have nothing to worry about.
04-27-2010, 11:18 AM
#245
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Personally I look at it this way -- quality of parts and customer service are required. If you don't have both don't be a seller. If a part is back ordered ... just tell the person when they ordered this is back-ordered. Finally, If there is a delay -- collect a deposit only and not the full amount to ensure a buyers commitment, but not **** them off.
If you are someone who does this ... you have nothing to worry about.
If you are someone who does this ... you have nothing to worry about.
I agree.
04-27-2010, 12:02 PM
#246
In the end, you have to ask yourself: Do you believe the stated reason? If so, why believe that while he's telling you the core business is a lie? Mystery tuner that isn't Scott. Mazsport parts that aren't Scotts.
I'm just glad this is a parts business and not a food business. No telling what would be in the soup.
04-27-2010, 12:48 PM
#247
One of the most fundamental elements of Capitalism is the free-market discussing amongst and within itself their individual experiences with individual businesses/businesspersons. This is one reason why freedom of speech is so important in America.
So, Capitalism may not complain (since it is a concept and not a "thing" or an organic being), but those involved in it certainly can from time to time.
So, Capitalism may not complain (since it is a concept and not a "thing" or an organic being), but those involved in it certainly can from time to time.
I would agree that the public may stop purchasing from RR through public discussions/forums; but, having a site that accepts money from RR, than trashes his business should be unacceptable. (not the case for rx8club, the moderators are prudent and fair). Along with the unhappy, RR also has many pleased customers. Keep in mind that if morals were equivical with business our biggest businesses would not be.
We will see what happens, it is great that this has transpired publicly. Hopefully a positive change in direction for Brice/RR can also be seen in such light.
04-27-2010, 01:42 PM
#249
I really hate self righteous, judgemental pr1cks and will refrain from duplicating this practice 
too little too late Brice.
I really hate judgemental pr1cks and will refrain from following you helped put more money into the pockets of a guy who blatantly defrauded this community's members out of over $100,000. By doing so, you slapped everyone here in the face.
It would have been one thing to not disclose back then that you were working with Scott but you flat out denied that you did.
While I admire you wanting to come clean, I can't help but question your motives and that you are simply doing this now because things have gotten out of hand and you really have no other choice.
Had this information not surfaced, I imagine we would not be seeing this thread.
It's not just who you did business with, it's how you went about doing business.
selling parts that aren't in stock yet advertising that they were, taking deposits for items that weren't ready in time (MS3 turbo), ridiculous restocking fees for a tuning service, etc
I speak for myself when I say this but I have lost ALL respect and TRUST in you and your business. It is because of your lack of character that I will never again do business with you.
I imagine I'm not alone in this thinking.
I really hate judgemental pr1cks and will refrain from following you helped put more money into the pockets of a guy who blatantly defrauded this community's members out of over $100,000. By doing so, you slapped everyone here in the face.
It would have been one thing to not disclose back then that you were working with Scott but you flat out denied that you did.
While I admire you wanting to come clean, I can't help but question your motives and that you are simply doing this now because things have gotten out of hand and you really have no other choice.
Had this information not surfaced, I imagine we would not be seeing this thread.
It's not just who you did business with, it's how you went about doing business.
selling parts that aren't in stock yet advertising that they were, taking deposits for items that weren't ready in time (MS3 turbo), ridiculous restocking fees for a tuning service, etc
I speak for myself when I say this but I have lost ALL respect and TRUST in you and your business. It is because of your lack of character that I will never again do business with you.
I imagine I'm not alone in this thinking.
