MazdaManiac

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Wait. Are you kidding?

Which part of this is not coming through?

TeamRX8

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Maybe if you could ever once just state something plainly in simple detailed layman's terms rather than making circular innuendo it might come through. So yeah, it's not coming through. Spell it out for us, ok?

MazdaManiac

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OMG!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?

THERE IS AN ENTIRE THREAD DEDICATED TO THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you not reading the links?
http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...request-50950/

laythor

the one thing that makes me laugh about this whole thing, deleted posts.

Brice is a master at removing his posts from any thread that has turned on him. I'm not talking about here, i'm talking about ALL of them.

Here's a fun game, search on google "race roots" + deleted. More threads about deleted posts then threads about anything else.

I'm sorry, but taking forever to release a product you took money for is about as shitty as it gets. But taking money, never releasing the product, and then continuing to do business on the few boards that haven't banned you is a whole different sport.

Team, you've said that all the positive reviews he's had since this thread started should be used to judge the man, and you are correct. Apparently he's been able to run a very successful business with the proceeds from monies garnered from other sites.

I kinda wish I didn't just spend the last hour searching and reading, it's put me in a foul mood.

kma5783

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Honestly Jeff this whole thing is starting to get ridiculous, I'm sure you've heard the saying people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You're guilty of some of the same business practices as Brice. Sepcifically taking an excessive amount of time to deliver a product, be it your greddy turbo upgrade or your tunes(I know this has changed and your tuning program is much better now, but you seem to like bringing up the past). You keep on bringing up the same thread from MS Forums about Brice not delivering kits for the MS6 when the last post in that thread was over a year ago? How do you even know that the customer has not received a kit or a refund at this point? You do realize you took 2+ years to deliver a turbo upgrade not even a full kit? Barely any communication with your customers during that time and I've never seen any mention of you offering a refund? Either way by your business standards Brice still has time to make that whole thing right with the MS6 kits considering it hasn't been two years yet.

Brice's biggest mistake was working with Scott, which in some people's eyes makes him guilty by association. But to accuse him of running anyway with tens of thousands of dollars I think is bullshit. Scott was Mazsport, Brice is Raceroots, Scott ran away with people's money!

This childish crap needs to stop, Brice has been running his business in a reputable way for sometime now and recent customers have been pleased, myself included. He's always quick to answer questions or inquiries and ships products quickly. Now you on the other hand could give a **** about potential customers, I've seen it multiple times and have even emailed you myself multiple times and never got a response. What's funny is that you seem to consider yourself a commodity when there's plenty of people more than capable of offering the same service you do. Not to say you aren't great at what you do, in fact I find you extremely knowledgeable and appreciate the vast amounts of information you've provide this community.

The funniest part about all of this though, is that you're in no way affected by what Brice does but still feel the need to bring this back up and attack his business. People should be smart enough to search a vendors history and then decide for themselves whether they want to purchase from that vendor.

MazdaManiac

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Were this even remotely true:

Should Brice be given a pass? I had to make good before I could move forward.
Brice isn't.
Those people are and will remain without their money and without their kits and Brice is going to profit again from that and by your "logic" there is nothing wrong with that.

lol
Do you see him doing that? I didn't think so.

And people wonder how this country got saddled with TARP.

They aren't and they don't. Not at least because enablers from Brice's Florida contingent continue to be apologetic for him.

9krpmrx8

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So Brice did not get the money for the Speed3 kits and Speed6 kits? Has he refunded that money yet?

A reputable way? That is up for debate, I can assure you.

He lists items as "in stock" that are not in stock, and does not communicate well all the time with his customers (he is not alone amongst vendors here I know). I know of two purchases of recent past where people purchased thinking their items were in stock and would be shipped promptly only to find out the items were not in stock and actually back ordered. So just because you and a few others have had a good experience with him means he is suddenly absolved of the sins of his past and we should all just forgive and forget?

While I do not agree personally with the way MM handles his business, I do not think you are accurate in your statements. He fucked up but in my opinion made good on his end of the deal. If I was a customer in that situation I am not sure if I would feel that way but as an outsider, I don't think he stole anything and he could have just said, "**** it" and no one would have got ****. And if he had done that, I can assure you people would have still paid him for his services and he could have continued working in some fashion making money off of the RX-8 community. But he didn't, he had the kits finished and delivered, he didn't just say sorry.

There are not "plenty of people" who do AP tuning on the RX-8. At most, I would say there are a handful that are capable and a couple of them do not offer their services in the same fashion MM does. He is a valuable asset to the community whether you like him or not. Brice could disappear tomorrow and it would not affect the community in the least. It is great that he is offering more and more products at reasonable prices but the cloud of doubt will always be there.

There is a reason he was banned on other forums. It's not that complicated.

And just you know, I have never purchased anything from MM and he has never tuned my RX-8.


I agree, but new people will tend to assume a vendor of this site is reputable because they are an approved vendor and not research much so I personally feel it is a good idea to rehash this stuff every now and then.

I realize many (including my good friends) disagree with my outlook on the subject and have formed their own opinions about MM, RR, Masport/mindseye/etc. But this is a public forum and we are all free to express our own opinions, and buy products from whoever we want but there is no reason to get butt hurt unless you have been victimized personally (I have not). We will never convince everyone one way or another.


As for Scott (I know you are lurking), you have immense skills as a fabricator, builder, etc. But it is a damn shame to see your talents wasted because you lack integrity and morals. Some day we all have to pay the piper, I hope you do what is right before then.

Race Roots

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All speed3 kits are reconciled. There were no speed6 kits only one person stepped forward. She had a big laundry list of requests of what she wanted and what she wanted to achieve and time was not an issue for her. (She was on deployment with work over seas.)

Scott took in that project and as far as I know is probably still working on it. Who knows. It was a massive build engine, turbo, the whole nine yards. I am sure it will turn out great.

As for your last statement I agree I wish he would. It would be so much easier for everyone including himself. Sometimes to get the goal you desire you need to take 2 steps back before you can go forward.

9krpmrx8

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Life is a weird, some learn from their mistakes and some are doomed to keep repeating them. You have hung in there, I give you credit for that. Hopefully some good will come of all of this ( I think so). Some will forgive and forget, some will not.

TeamRX8

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So I am an idiot for not living in the Lounge area and being aware of your personal vandetta against RR? Guess I will have to live with that. Regardless, you seem to be doing your best to shoot yourself in the foot. Again.
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bose

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Really I was unaware you could get new accessports from other vendors and get tuned as well.

Delmeister

Brice, why do you think people insist in accusing you of stealing despite the fact that you continue to deny the accusations?

Z0oMzo0m

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Really??^^ your repeating what has been said over and over again. Well maybe the way you stated it, it can be resolved now. :-)

drifter_d

bose, your avatar is freakin' awesome. Oops - off topic. C'mon people. Let's stay focused here fer cryin' out loud... ;-)

kma5783

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I said that in my first post, but I'll say it again. YOU took 2+ years to deliver a product with almost no communication and no offer of a refund.
If I was your customer I would have had my money back long before you had the chance to take 2 years to deliver it.

I never said he should be given a pass, but your speaking on a matter you're not involved and continue to make assumptions about the way he runs his business.
By my "logic" there would be something wrong with that, but the fact is you keep on making accusations that are unfounded and I would agree at this point it is slander. And according to Brice's recent post he has made good on all the MS3 and MS6 kits, pretty believable to me considering there's no recent posts or continuing complaints about people not receiving there product or money back. As I said before the MS6 kit thread you keep on bringing up has not been posted in since May 2010, Don't you think that person would continue to post there if the issue had not been resolved?

Well apparently he has.....? Again stop making your assumptions about someone else's business because you just seem to have a personal vendetta against Brice.

Honestly that's there own fault, if people don't realize how someone becomes a forum vendor, by paying yearly fees to be allowed to promote and advertise product on this forum. You know what's funny though you're somehow allowed to advertise your services here yet your not a vendor, how does that work?

Apparently he has made good on those kits.

It maybe....

This is pretty common across all vendors, so many now rely on drop shipping and don't stock nearly as many parts themselves. As long as the customer is notified the part is on back order and is offered a refund if not willing to wait for that part I don't see anything wrong with that.

Never said that he should be, but people need to stop trying to tarnish his name and allow the past and present business practices speak for themselves.

Apparently Brice has made good on his end too, with the MS3 and MS6 kits. I would agree that if I was MM's customer in the same situation it would have been handled much differently, but he did do the right thing and I'm in no way trying to make Jeff look like a bad guy.

Point is there are other people that are capable of tuning, even if they do not promote it in the way MM does. Either way the information is there and alternatives can be found if you look for them.
I would agree he is a very valuable asset to the community, and like I said before I appreciate all the information he has provided to us. I never said I didn't like him, I don't even know the guy, I just don't like the way he represents himself on the forums.

Agree 100%

Quoted for reference.

Ok... Yes MM is the only person you can get a new Cobb from, stupid on Cobb's part if you ask me, why continue to produce a product and limit your market exposure to one vendor. So what....Go buy a used one and get it tuned elsewhere.

bose

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MM was a very large part of the development of the AP, and is THE only reason they still make it for the RX8. Cobb doesn't do anything for cars that are NA anymore, they were going to do away with it all together.

(fyi:not a customer of MM)

MazdaManiac

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No, he has not. That is my point.

TeamRX8

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You are both completely and utterly clueless in handling certain aspects of your respective businesses. That is the only objective point.

At least someone had enough sense to save you from your own retardation and delete the other thread.

MazdaManiac

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Uh, I did that.

It was obvious that the horse was going to dehydrate, so why bother.

TeamRX8

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well that's even better, glad that you deserve more credit than I had previously thought

MazdaManiac

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That is a fairly concise synopsis.

alz0rz

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I had my last transaction with Race Roots a while ago.

I don't like receiving the brand I didn't pay for because it's cheaper for said vendor to ship one brand over the other, even if the products specs are supposedly the same.

No more business from me.

TeamRX8

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It's BS. I don't live in Florida and am not a fanboi. What dealings I've had with RaceRoots have been positive in every regard and void of fraud, lies, scams. He just concisely said what you want to hear and propogate. You are merely dlapping him on the back for doing so. Nothing more.

Brice may have hawked Scotts wares in the past but I don't think he is now. Regardless, even if he does I personally could care less (and I cared less when he did too). If I need something and that's the place that has it then it will be the place I buy it. I don't trust Scott and would never buy anything direct from him. I do trust Brice and if he wants to risk his money with Scott that's his business, but Brice has never screwed me and I don't believe he will any more than yourself. Further, I decide who I buy from and not anyone else. Nobody can or will brow beat me into doing otherwise. I have always operated independently of any social clique and don't give a **** what anyone elses opinion is about my personal decisions are regarding my choices.

Nobody is going to change anybodys opinion so just stop the retarded back slapping repeat what our side wants to hear BS already.

TeamRX8

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Let me restate it like this Jeff:

I would never order a custom turbo kit direct from you. If I was looking for said turbo kit today I wouldn't think twice to buy your kit from the people who finally received theirs from you recently. In that regard I view you the same as Scott/Mazsport and I view the people who did business with you the same as I do Brice/RaceRoots.

paimon.soror

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