Official 2009 Formula 1 Season Discussion
09-09-2009, 01:00 PM
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http://www.worldcarfans.com/10909082...-letter-to-fia
In a letter by Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds, the heads of the Renault team have reportedly told F1's governing body that the charge of race-fixing in Singapore last year is not true.
According to the Spanish sports newspaper AS, it is alleged that team boss Briatore as well as Symonds, Renault's long time engineering director, instructed Nelson Piquet during a pre-race meeting to crash on purpose on a specific lap of the night race.
His promised reward was said to be the renewal of his contract for 2009.
Piquet, whose career is closely followed by his famous father, was furious when he was recently ousted by Briatore and in a media statement hinted that "strange situations" had occurred during his tenure.
Brazil's Globo TV, meanwhile, claims that Piquet's spin on the warm-up lap of the Singapore event was a practice for the similar-looking crash that brought out the safety car and boosted his teammate Fernando Alonso to the head of the field.
AS said it is clear that Renault will vigorously deny the claims at the extraordinary meeting of the World Motor Sport Council in Paris later this month.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10909082...-letter-to-fia
In a letter by Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds, the heads of the Renault team have reportedly told F1's governing body that the charge of race-fixing in Singapore last year is not true.
According to the Spanish sports newspaper AS, it is alleged that team boss Briatore as well as Symonds, Renault's long time engineering director, instructed Nelson Piquet during a pre-race meeting to crash on purpose on a specific lap of the night race.
His promised reward was said to be the renewal of his contract for 2009.
Piquet, whose career is closely followed by his famous father, was furious when he was recently ousted by Briatore and in a media statement hinted that "strange situations" had occurred during his tenure.
Brazil's Globo TV, meanwhile, claims that Piquet's spin on the warm-up lap of the Singapore event was a practice for the similar-looking crash that brought out the safety car and boosted his teammate Fernando Alonso to the head of the field.
AS said it is clear that Renault will vigorously deny the claims at the extraordinary meeting of the World Motor Sport Council in Paris later this month.
09-09-2009, 08:10 PM
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Mercedes to buy 75 per cent of Brawn GP
Rosberg to drive silver Brawn in 2010
Nico Rosberg is going to switch to Brawn to drive a silver-coloured car in 2010, according to the authoritative Swiss publication Blick.
In an article penned by the well-connected journalist veteran Roger Benoit, it is claimed that Mercedes will allow its contract with McLaren to lapse at the end of 2011, and by then the German manufacturer will own 75 per cent of Brawn GP.
Blick said the Brawn buyout is in conjunction with Arab partners, and will see the Brackley-built cars painted silver and with prominent Mercedes branding as of 2010.
Benoit also wrote that Rosberg is in fact not heading to McLaren, the British team that is currently 40 per cent owned by Mercedes, but to Brawn, despite chief executive Nick Fry saying recently he was happy to keep Rubens Barrichello alongside Jenson Button.
Rosberg said coyly last week that although still with multiple options for 2010, he had now at least honed in on one in particular.
"Nico is an option," Mercedes' motor sport president Norbert Haug said on Tuesday. "He is a candidate."
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10909102...awn-gp--report
Rosberg to drive silver Brawn in 2010
Nico Rosberg is going to switch to Brawn to drive a silver-coloured car in 2010, according to the authoritative Swiss publication Blick.
In an article penned by the well-connected journalist veteran Roger Benoit, it is claimed that Mercedes will allow its contract with McLaren to lapse at the end of 2011, and by then the German manufacturer will own 75 per cent of Brawn GP.
Blick said the Brawn buyout is in conjunction with Arab partners, and will see the Brackley-built cars painted silver and with prominent Mercedes branding as of 2010.
Benoit also wrote that Rosberg is in fact not heading to McLaren, the British team that is currently 40 per cent owned by Mercedes, but to Brawn, despite chief executive Nick Fry saying recently he was happy to keep Rubens Barrichello alongside Jenson Button.
Rosberg said coyly last week that although still with multiple options for 2010, he had now at least honed in on one in particular.
"Nico is an option," Mercedes' motor sport president Norbert Haug said on Tuesday. "He is a candidate."
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10909102...awn-gp--report
09-09-2009, 08:13 PM
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09-09-2009, 11:35 PM
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Mercedes to buy 75 per cent of Brawn GP
Rosberg to drive silver Brawn in 2010
Nico Rosberg is going to switch to Brawn to drive a silver-coloured car in 2010, according to the authoritative Swiss publication Blick.
In an article penned by the well-connected journalist veteran Roger Benoit, it is claimed that Mercedes will allow its contract with McLaren to lapse at the end of 2011, and by then the German manufacturer will own 75 per cent of Brawn GP.
Blick said the Brawn buyout is in conjunction with Arab partners, and will see the Brackley-built cars painted silver and with prominent Mercedes branding as of 2010.
Benoit also wrote that Rosberg is in fact not heading to McLaren, the British team that is currently 40 per cent owned by Mercedes, but to Brawn, despite chief executive Nick Fry saying recently he was happy to keep Rubens Barrichello alongside Jenson Button.
Rosberg said coyly last week that although still with multiple options for 2010, he had now at least honed in on one in particular.
"Nico is an option," Mercedes' motor sport president Norbert Haug said on Tuesday. "He is a candidate."
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10909102...awn-gp--report
Rosberg to drive silver Brawn in 2010
Nico Rosberg is going to switch to Brawn to drive a silver-coloured car in 2010, according to the authoritative Swiss publication Blick.
In an article penned by the well-connected journalist veteran Roger Benoit, it is claimed that Mercedes will allow its contract with McLaren to lapse at the end of 2011, and by then the German manufacturer will own 75 per cent of Brawn GP.
Blick said the Brawn buyout is in conjunction with Arab partners, and will see the Brackley-built cars painted silver and with prominent Mercedes branding as of 2010.
Benoit also wrote that Rosberg is in fact not heading to McLaren, the British team that is currently 40 per cent owned by Mercedes, but to Brawn, despite chief executive Nick Fry saying recently he was happy to keep Rubens Barrichello alongside Jenson Button.
Rosberg said coyly last week that although still with multiple options for 2010, he had now at least honed in on one in particular.
"Nico is an option," Mercedes' motor sport president Norbert Haug said on Tuesday. "He is a candidate."
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10909102...awn-gp--report
i hope mclaren can surive with out mercedes, (crosses fingers) i believe they will. but then again that is just me being optimistic.
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09-10-2009, 04:27 AM
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I don't know if this is true or not. Read for yourselves.
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...10102106.shtml
The accusation that Renault instructed Nelson Piquet to crash on purpose at last year's Singapore Grand Prix did originate from the now-ousted Brazilian driver, it is claimed.
Reports in British newspapers including the Mirror and the Times claim Piquet informed the FIA that he agreed to the race-fixing.
The crash was reportedly discussed in a pre-race meeting with Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds - but not Fernando Alonso - and agreed by Piquet because he thought it might result in a new contract for 2009.
FIA investigators were also informed by Piquet that Symonds, Renault's veteran engineering director, told the 23-year-old driver specifically that the crash should occur on lap 13 or 14 to activate Alonso's race strategy.
Turn 17 was selected as the crash site reportedly because the lack of nearby cranes would mean removal of the damaged car would be difficult and deployment of the safety car therefore more likely.
Documents lodged in reply to the accusations by Briatore and Symonds confirm the pre-race meeting but Symonds insists it was Piquet who suggested the crash be staged during the "conversation".
The Times newspaper said Briatore, who in his submission reportedly completely denies the charges, is likening the situation - with Piquet's father believed to have been the first to contact Max Mosley with the claims in late July - to "extortion".
It is also reported that, a few days after his last race for Renault in Hungary, Piquet Jr travelled to Paris to lodge the accusations in writing with the FIA.
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...10102106.shtml
The accusation that Renault instructed Nelson Piquet to crash on purpose at last year's Singapore Grand Prix did originate from the now-ousted Brazilian driver, it is claimed.
Reports in British newspapers including the Mirror and the Times claim Piquet informed the FIA that he agreed to the race-fixing.
The crash was reportedly discussed in a pre-race meeting with Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds - but not Fernando Alonso - and agreed by Piquet because he thought it might result in a new contract for 2009.
FIA investigators were also informed by Piquet that Symonds, Renault's veteran engineering director, told the 23-year-old driver specifically that the crash should occur on lap 13 or 14 to activate Alonso's race strategy.
Turn 17 was selected as the crash site reportedly because the lack of nearby cranes would mean removal of the damaged car would be difficult and deployment of the safety car therefore more likely.
Documents lodged in reply to the accusations by Briatore and Symonds confirm the pre-race meeting but Symonds insists it was Piquet who suggested the crash be staged during the "conversation".
The Times newspaper said Briatore, who in his submission reportedly completely denies the charges, is likening the situation - with Piquet's father believed to have been the first to contact Max Mosley with the claims in late July - to "extortion".
It is also reported that, a few days after his last race for Renault in Hungary, Piquet Jr travelled to Paris to lodge the accusations in writing with the FIA.
09-10-2009, 11:23 AM
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Ferrari Confirms 5 Year Santander Deal
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=344545:F1
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78459
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...r-partnership/
http://www.f1technical.net/news/13275
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...46819&PO=46819
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=38928
Since Santander is a Spanish bank, how long will it be before we hear that Alonso will be signed by Ferrari?
Also Ferrari is exploring the option of running a 3 car team for 2010.
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=38925
Will Kimi keep his seat or is he out an Fisi be the third driver.
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=344545:F1
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78459
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/...r-partnership/
http://www.f1technical.net/news/13275
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...46819&PO=46819
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=38928
Since Santander is a Spanish bank, how long will it be before we hear that Alonso will be signed by Ferrari?
Also Ferrari is exploring the option of running a 3 car team for 2010.
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=38925
Will Kimi keep his seat or is he out an Fisi be the third driver.
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09-10-2009, 04:59 PM
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The 3 car team would be Massa, Alonso, and Schumacher. Thats what Ferrari said themselves. I dont know how Alonso would do because he doesnt play #2 driver well and we all know Schumacher's contract pretty much assures him number one status
09-11-2009, 04:45 AM
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McLaren kicking *** in the first practice!
Also nice to see Fisi adapting to the red car.
Sutil made a quick lap too. Liuzi could not match his pace however. Lets see if the pace is genuine and can be kept in the afternoon.
Also nice to see Fisi adapting to the red car.
Sutil made a quick lap too. Liuzi could not match his pace however. Lets see if the pace is genuine and can be kept in the afternoon.
09-11-2009, 09:55 AM
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I don't know if this is true or not. Read for yourselves.
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...10102106.shtml
The accusation that Renault instructed Nelson Piquet to crash on purpose at last year's Singapore Grand Prix did originate from the now-ousted Brazilian driver, it is claimed.
Reports in British newspapers including the Mirror and the Times claim Piquet informed the FIA that he agreed to the race-fixing.
The crash was reportedly discussed in a pre-race meeting with Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds - but not Fernando Alonso - and agreed by Piquet because he thought it might result in a new contract for 2009.
FIA investigators were also informed by Piquet that Symonds, Renault's veteran engineering director, told the 23-year-old driver specifically that the crash should occur on lap 13 or 14 to activate Alonso's race strategy.
Turn 17 was selected as the crash site reportedly because the lack of nearby cranes would mean removal of the damaged car would be difficult and deployment of the safety car therefore more likely.
Documents lodged in reply to the accusations by Briatore and Symonds confirm the pre-race meeting but Symonds insists it was Piquet who suggested the crash be staged during the "conversation".
The Times newspaper said Briatore, who in his submission reportedly completely denies the charges, is likening the situation - with Piquet's father believed to have been the first to contact Max Mosley with the claims in late July - to "extortion".
It is also reported that, a few days after his last race for Renault in Hungary, Piquet Jr travelled to Paris to lodge the accusations in writing with the FIA.
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...10102106.shtml
The accusation that Renault instructed Nelson Piquet to crash on purpose at last year's Singapore Grand Prix did originate from the now-ousted Brazilian driver, it is claimed.
Reports in British newspapers including the Mirror and the Times claim Piquet informed the FIA that he agreed to the race-fixing.
The crash was reportedly discussed in a pre-race meeting with Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds - but not Fernando Alonso - and agreed by Piquet because he thought it might result in a new contract for 2009.
FIA investigators were also informed by Piquet that Symonds, Renault's veteran engineering director, told the 23-year-old driver specifically that the crash should occur on lap 13 or 14 to activate Alonso's race strategy.
Turn 17 was selected as the crash site reportedly because the lack of nearby cranes would mean removal of the damaged car would be difficult and deployment of the safety car therefore more likely.
Documents lodged in reply to the accusations by Briatore and Symonds confirm the pre-race meeting but Symonds insists it was Piquet who suggested the crash be staged during the "conversation".
The Times newspaper said Briatore, who in his submission reportedly completely denies the charges, is likening the situation - with Piquet's father believed to have been the first to contact Max Mosley with the claims in late July - to "extortion".
It is also reported that, a few days after his last race for Renault in Hungary, Piquet Jr travelled to Paris to lodge the accusations in writing with the FIA.
i am starting to think that it might be true. only reason is, 1. i dont think drivers would just make accusation just for the fun of it. especially going up against a whole team vs 1 person (piquet)
2. like i said earlier in the thread, piquet being dropped was talked alot during last seasons. but when it got to singapore race, they stopped talking about dropping him. you would think a crash would just **** off renault even more (even though they won the race) so its strange that they all of sudden stop talking about piquet for the rest of the season.
3. i just dont think any driver would want to ruin their career on purpose.
09-11-2009, 10:02 AM
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[B]Renault on Friday announced that the team and its boss Flavio Briatore have commenced criminal proceedings against sacked driver and whistleblower Nelson Piquet.
As the so-called crash-gate scandal continues to deepen, it was reported from the Monza circuit in Italy that Briatore had angrily denied the charges in a letter to Piquet and his famous father and namesake.
Despite earlier saying it would not be commenting on the matter before the 21 September World Motor Sport Council hearing, Renault revealed the criminal actions in France and the intention to involve the police in Britain.
In a media statement, the team accused the Piquets of making "false allegations" and also attempting to "blackmail" Renault into extending the 23-year-old driver's contract[/B
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10909112...involve-police
As the so-called crash-gate scandal continues to deepen, it was reported from the Monza circuit in Italy that Briatore had angrily denied the charges in a letter to Piquet and his famous father and namesake.
Despite earlier saying it would not be commenting on the matter before the 21 September World Motor Sport Council hearing, Renault revealed the criminal actions in France and the intention to involve the police in Britain.
In a media statement, the team accused the Piquets of making "false allegations" and also attempting to "blackmail" Renault into extending the 23-year-old driver's contract[/B
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10909112...involve-police
09-11-2009, 10:39 AM
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^^ i agree with you, but then again, if your desperate you may do things out of the norm.
one thing that makes me find it so fishy is when piquet spun out, he didnt press on the brakes like normal f1 drivers would do to try to save the car etc. but in his case, he just kept on pressing down on the gas. we all know he sucks, but i dont think he doesnt know that he should press on the gas, instead of pusing on the gas.
F1's governing body has described as "serious" the fact that official evidence related to the Renault crash-gate scandal was leaked to the media.
As well as Nelson Piquet's statement to the FIA, other evidence believed part of the dossier for World Motor Sport Council members, including telemetry traces - showing Piquet accelerated hard during his spin - and a stewards finding that the Brazilian's claims are "in large part true", found their way into the hands of the press on Thursday.
It has been claimed the leaks may be an attempt to derail the outcome of the September 21 hearing, which could result in Renault being ousted from the sport.
"The FIA will investigate it (the leaks) thoroughly. It is a very serious matter," a FIA spokesman is quoted as saying by the Mirror newspaper.
"Members of the World Council must be able to consider the evidence in the round and speak to those involved and then take an objective decision, not one based on hearsay or leaks," he added.
The FIA has denied being the source of the leaks but it is believed the evidence dossier to WMSC members was distributed this week.
Regarding the signed Piquet statement, a spokesman in the Brazilian driver's camp told the Guardian: "We don't have any information about this. We didn't release this and we don't know what it is.
"I saw the supposed document on the internet but I know as much as you do about it," he added.
As the scandal swept the Monza paddock on Thursday, a notable absence was Flavio Briatore, who was reportedly in Paris meeting with the Renault board and CEO Carlos Ghosn.
Referring to Piquet's claims about the deliberate crash, and despite engineering boss Pat Symonds' admission about a conversation with the 23-year-old, the team boss is quoted by the Sun as saying: "Nothing like that was ever talked about."
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10909112...s-serious--fia
one thing that makes me find it so fishy is when piquet spun out, he didnt press on the brakes like normal f1 drivers would do to try to save the car etc. but in his case, he just kept on pressing down on the gas. we all know he sucks, but i dont think he doesnt know that he should press on the gas, instead of pusing on the gas.
F1's governing body has described as "serious" the fact that official evidence related to the Renault crash-gate scandal was leaked to the media.
As well as Nelson Piquet's statement to the FIA, other evidence believed part of the dossier for World Motor Sport Council members, including telemetry traces - showing Piquet accelerated hard during his spin - and a stewards finding that the Brazilian's claims are "in large part true", found their way into the hands of the press on Thursday.
It has been claimed the leaks may be an attempt to derail the outcome of the September 21 hearing, which could result in Renault being ousted from the sport.
"The FIA will investigate it (the leaks) thoroughly. It is a very serious matter," a FIA spokesman is quoted as saying by the Mirror newspaper.
"Members of the World Council must be able to consider the evidence in the round and speak to those involved and then take an objective decision, not one based on hearsay or leaks," he added.
The FIA has denied being the source of the leaks but it is believed the evidence dossier to WMSC members was distributed this week.
Regarding the signed Piquet statement, a spokesman in the Brazilian driver's camp told the Guardian: "We don't have any information about this. We didn't release this and we don't know what it is.
"I saw the supposed document on the internet but I know as much as you do about it," he added.
As the scandal swept the Monza paddock on Thursday, a notable absence was Flavio Briatore, who was reportedly in Paris meeting with the Renault board and CEO Carlos Ghosn.
Referring to Piquet's claims about the deliberate crash, and despite engineering boss Pat Symonds' admission about a conversation with the 23-year-old, the team boss is quoted by the Sun as saying: "Nothing like that was ever talked about."
http://www.worldcarfans.com/10909112...s-serious--fia
09-12-2009, 01:14 PM
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Power!!
I wonder how Fisichella is feeling about his decision now. 
Oh and I have no idea why any driver would ever sign up to crash their car. There is absolutely no benefit to them. their career, their health, etc. If a team told me to crash my car intentionally to benefit another driver I would tell them to pound sand. That's like your boss at work telling you to lie about your counterparts weekly metrics so he can look better. WTF would I do that again??
Oh and I have no idea why any driver would ever sign up to crash their car. There is absolutely no benefit to them. their career, their health, etc. If a team told me to crash my car intentionally to benefit another driver I would tell them to pound sand. That's like your boss at work telling you to lie about your counterparts weekly metrics so he can look better. WTF would I do that again??
09-12-2009, 02:59 PM
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This is why I'm not an Alonso fan either (Even though he's super gifted). His actions and behavior with the McLaren spygate was similar in nature to Piquet's in this incident. How can you be involved integrally in wrong doing and then be proud to bring down your entire organization if they don't give you your way. These guys are like leeches on the system. I guess, at least Alonso is a sufficiently talented leech.
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09-13-2009, 05:09 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSUHSM3sl2M
Part of the italian interview to Massa.
You probably won't understand crap, it is a comic\hilarious one but you can really see how positive he is!
Part of the italian interview to Massa.
You probably won't understand crap, it is a comic\hilarious one but you can really see how positive he is!
09-13-2009, 08:28 AM
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crashed out? noooooo couldnt be haha. however, i was expecting jenson to magically woft by but i guess rubens can thank hamilton for his win
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