Official 2009 Formula 1 Season Discussion
12-05-2008, 08:15 AM
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12-05-2008, 08:17 AM
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Cosworth wins 2010 standard engine
Cosworth has won the tender to supply a low-cost engine and transmission package in 2010 and beyond, formula one's governing body announced on Friday.
In the wake of Honda's shock departure from the sport, the FIA said in a statement that the news confirmed its fears about the current financial format, and sent a letter to team bosses.
It is revealed that the cost to teams wanting to use the un-badged Cosworth engine option will be 2m euros, plus 5.5 million euros each season.
"The annual cost will reduce if more (than four) teams take up the option," FIA president Max Mosley wrote.
Teams not wanting to use the standard engine have "the right to build an engine themselves", or a de-tuned version of their current 2.4 litre V8s, but must use a standard transmission supplied by Ricardo Transmissions, a British company.
Mosley said the measures will help small teams survive, and also pave the way for the replacement of more outgoing manufacturers, "as seems likely" to be necessary.
He wants four teams to sign up the scheme by next Thursday, or the price may go up
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9081205....tender-in-2010
Cosworth has won the tender to supply a low-cost engine and transmission package in 2010 and beyond, formula one's governing body announced on Friday.
In the wake of Honda's shock departure from the sport, the FIA said in a statement that the news confirmed its fears about the current financial format, and sent a letter to team bosses.
It is revealed that the cost to teams wanting to use the un-badged Cosworth engine option will be 2m euros, plus 5.5 million euros each season.
"The annual cost will reduce if more (than four) teams take up the option," FIA president Max Mosley wrote.
Teams not wanting to use the standard engine have "the right to build an engine themselves", or a de-tuned version of their current 2.4 litre V8s, but must use a standard transmission supplied by Ricardo Transmissions, a British company.
Mosley said the measures will help small teams survive, and also pave the way for the replacement of more outgoing manufacturers, "as seems likely" to be necessary.
He wants four teams to sign up the scheme by next Thursday, or the price may go up
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9081205....tender-in-2010
12-05-2008, 08:33 AM
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I guess honda dropping out is a good thing 
with all the problems with auto companies these days.
I hope the ppl at FIA are happy now. you guys sit their make so much money off these teams that they end up leaving the best racing series ever. GJ
with all the problems with auto companies these days.I hope the ppl at FIA are happy now. you guys sit their make so much money off these teams that they end up leaving the best racing series ever. GJ
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12-05-2008, 08:40 AM
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The problem is that the d*ck head asks the racetracks to pay 10% every year.
Instead of reducing team costs he should focus on reducing his bank account.
We already have tha a1 gp with standard everything, giving the option to use an engine is ok, using a standard engine or transmission or both will kill f1 down.
dunno if you get my point..
Instead of reducing team costs he should focus on reducing his bank account.
We already have tha a1 gp with standard everything, giving the option to use an engine is ok, using a standard engine or transmission or both will kill f1 down.
dunno if you get my point..
12-05-2008, 08:53 AM
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The problem is that the d*ck head asks the racetracks to pay 10% every year.
Instead of reducing team costs he should focus on reducing his bank account.
We already have tha a1 gp with standard everything, giving the option to use an engine is ok, using a standard engine or transmission or both will kill f1 down.
dunno if you get my point..
Instead of reducing team costs he should focus on reducing his bank account.
We already have tha a1 gp with standard everything, giving the option to use an engine is ok, using a standard engine or transmission or both will kill f1 down.
dunno if you get my point..
12-05-2008, 08:56 AM
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yeah, i hope that everybody will continue to use their engines.
It was so good when they raced with 1.5l turbo engines or 3lt NA ones.
There's no point in limiting performances, oh wait... longer races = more adverts.
Yeah but longer\slower races = less spectators as well so they end up even or negative anyway!
It was so good when they raced with 1.5l turbo engines or 3lt NA ones.
There's no point in limiting performances, oh wait... longer races = more adverts.
Yeah but longer\slower races = less spectators as well so they end up even or negative anyway!
12-05-2008, 08:59 AM
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yeah, i hope that everybody will continue to use their engines.
It was so good when they raced with 1.5l turbo engines or 3lt NA ones.
There's no point in limiting performances, oh wait... longer races = more adverts.
Yeah but longer\slower races = less spectators as well so they end up even or negative anyway!
It was so good when they raced with 1.5l turbo engines or 3lt NA ones.
There's no point in limiting performances, oh wait... longer races = more adverts.
Yeah but longer\slower races = less spectators as well so they end up even or negative anyway!
12-05-2008, 03:23 PM
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Hmm this engine looks to be turbo. wonder if they are going to bring back turbo enines. regardless 2009 is my last session to watch f1 racing. after 20 years (thanks to dad for getting me interested in this series) of being a fan of this series. i dont have to wake up at weird hours to watch live coverage any more 
. i probably watch some races due to certain favorite tracks. but not going to harrass ferrari fans any more
. i probably watch some races due to certain favorite tracks. but not going to harrass ferrari fans any more
12-05-2008, 03:55 PM
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simular article on Autoblog http://www.autoblog.com/2008/12/05/c...nder-for-2010/
This, combined with reduced aero is the begining of the end of what actually made F1 interesting to watch ,,,
This, combined with reduced aero is the begining of the end of what actually made F1 interesting to watch ,,,
12-06-2008, 12:43 AM
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I would love to see a Ferrari prototype race competitively again. It would so cool to see a v10 or v12 Ferrari against the Peugot and Audi diesels.
12-06-2008, 12:53 AM
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^ whoops apparently Audi just pulled the plug on the factory ALMS program.
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20081205/FREE/812059995
...seems smart to scale back a bit in this economic climate, but I'll miss battles like Audi v. Pueguot at Petit LeMans this year.
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20081205/FREE/812059995
...seems smart to scale back a bit in this economic climate, but I'll miss battles like Audi v. Pueguot at Petit LeMans this year.
12-07-2008, 08:49 AM
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David Richards (Prodrive) eyes axed Honda F1 team
David Richards eyes axed Honda F1 team
Brackley headquarters could change hands soon 06/12/08 15:18
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...06151824.shtml
Could Richards' Prodrive outfit make it into F1 after all?
David Richards is believed to be perhaps the most serious of the prospective buyers of Honda's Formula One team.
As alluded to by Honda figures as well as F1 powerbrokers Bernie Ecclestone and Max Mosley, there is already interest in the team which on Friday was put on the market by the struggling Japanese carmaker Honda.
To boost the chances of a sale, Honda has offered to bear the team's outstanding debts, and offer for sale the excellent facilities of the Brackley-based squad for a nominal fee as low as $1.
The successful buyer would have to convince Honda that it could safeguard the future of the team, even if many of the 700 employees would be retrenched as the annual budget is slashed from its current $300 million to as little as $70m.
The British newspaper The Daily Telegraph said the most serious buyer, believed to be Prodrive chief David Richards, could be in a position to seal the deal by the end of this weekend.
56-year-old Richards is no stranger to the team, having been brought in to run its previous BAR incarnation in 2001.
Prodrive was slated to join the F1 grid in 2008, but Richards pulled out because his plans involved running a controversial McLaren-Mercedes customer package.
Honda driver Jenson Button, who has been very loyal to the team, is rumoured to be preparing for a test drive with Scuderia Toro Rosso next week - a team which parent company Red Bull has also put on the market.
However, due to Richards' known preference for Button during the BAR days, a quick purchase of the Honda team might convince Button to stay on.
Brackley headquarters could change hands soon 06/12/08 15:18
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...06151824.shtml
Could Richards' Prodrive outfit make it into F1 after all?
David Richards is believed to be perhaps the most serious of the prospective buyers of Honda's Formula One team.
As alluded to by Honda figures as well as F1 powerbrokers Bernie Ecclestone and Max Mosley, there is already interest in the team which on Friday was put on the market by the struggling Japanese carmaker Honda.
To boost the chances of a sale, Honda has offered to bear the team's outstanding debts, and offer for sale the excellent facilities of the Brackley-based squad for a nominal fee as low as $1.
The successful buyer would have to convince Honda that it could safeguard the future of the team, even if many of the 700 employees would be retrenched as the annual budget is slashed from its current $300 million to as little as $70m.
The British newspaper The Daily Telegraph said the most serious buyer, believed to be Prodrive chief David Richards, could be in a position to seal the deal by the end of this weekend.
56-year-old Richards is no stranger to the team, having been brought in to run its previous BAR incarnation in 2001.
Prodrive was slated to join the F1 grid in 2008, but Richards pulled out because his plans involved running a controversial McLaren-Mercedes customer package.
Honda driver Jenson Button, who has been very loyal to the team, is rumoured to be preparing for a test drive with Scuderia Toro Rosso next week - a team which parent company Red Bull has also put on the market.
However, due to Richards' known preference for Button during the BAR days, a quick purchase of the Honda team might convince Button to stay on.
12-07-2008, 07:17 PM
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Honda/BAR finished 2nd in 2004 and 4th in 2006 while spending less than toyota at the time. Their huge investment this season is attributed to the addition of ross brawn as team principal, which would of helped them greatly in the long run. Too bad the automotive business is doing so terribly, maybe more manufacturers would join up. I'd love to see a turbo rotary in f1 someday.
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12-08-2008, 06:39 AM
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Very bad times in the racing world. I know you guys already knew about Honda dropping out, but I just found out this morning.
MSNBC posted this article...http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28066396/
Its really sad how the cost to race has gone up through the years. I was talking to one of Architects who drives formula fords, and he said he could remember to race on any given weekend in the 70's might have cost you 200-500 dollars.
2.9 million to race per year is crazy ,like the article mentioned, they have these techs that should be playing Playstation then working on a race car. I am sure those techs salary comes out of that 2.9 million, which probalay is a huge portion out of that pot.
Things should have stayed simple in racing,adding all this technology just drives up the cost dramatically. If memory serves me right, I thought the F1 cars were going much faster in the late '80's-'90's with less technology at hand, they were less safe to operate but had much more performance to boot.
MSNBC posted this article...http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28066396/
Its really sad how the cost to race has gone up through the years. I was talking to one of Architects who drives formula fords, and he said he could remember to race on any given weekend in the 70's might have cost you 200-500 dollars.
2.9 million to race per year is crazy ,like the article mentioned, they have these techs that should be playing Playstation then working on a race car. I am sure those techs salary comes out of that 2.9 million, which probalay is a huge portion out of that pot.
Things should have stayed simple in racing,adding all this technology just drives up the cost dramatically. If memory serves me right, I thought the F1 cars were going much faster in the late '80's-'90's with less technology at hand, they were less safe to operate but had much more performance to boot.
12-08-2008, 07:22 AM
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Far from it. The cars in the late 80's, early 90's were very close to the max when it came to "technology". Huge power, adaptive suspension, slicks. I don't know if anyone did this during that time frame, but the Lotus chassis was shaped like an upside down aircraft wing at one point, basically making it one with the road.
From these points F1 decided the cars were too fast and not enough of the drivers' skill was allowed to shine. That is why these technologies went away.
From these points F1 decided the cars were too fast and not enough of the drivers' skill was allowed to shine. That is why these technologies went away.
12-08-2008, 08:46 AM
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Very bad times in the racing world. I know you guys already knew about Honda dropping out, but I just found out this morning.
MSNBC posted this article...http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28066396/
Its really sad how the cost to race has gone up through the years. I was talking to one of Architects who drives formula fords, and he said he could remember to race on any given weekend in the 70's might have cost you 200-500 dollars.
2.9 million to race per year is crazy ,like the article mentioned, they have these techs that should be playing Playstation then working on a race car. I am sure those techs salary comes out of that 2.9 million, which probalay is a huge portion out of that pot.
Things should have stayed simple in racing,adding all this technology just drives up the cost dramatically. If memory serves me right, I thought the F1 cars were going much faster in the late '80's-'90's with less technology at hand, they were less safe to operate but had much more performance to boot.
MSNBC posted this article...http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28066396/
Its really sad how the cost to race has gone up through the years. I was talking to one of Architects who drives formula fords, and he said he could remember to race on any given weekend in the 70's might have cost you 200-500 dollars.
2.9 million to race per year is crazy ,like the article mentioned, they have these techs that should be playing Playstation then working on a race car. I am sure those techs salary comes out of that 2.9 million, which probalay is a huge portion out of that pot.
Things should have stayed simple in racing,adding all this technology just drives up the cost dramatically. If memory serves me right, I thought the F1 cars were going much faster in the late '80's-'90's with less technology at hand, they were less safe to operate but had much more performance to boot.
I was reading through F1technical.net, and a member had a great suggestion by imposing G-limits on cornering, just like red bull air racing, if you go over 12Gs you get a penalty.
The dangers of the sport is the cornering speeds attained back in the 80s. The G-limit will definitely solve that, just cap it at 4.5-5.0 Gs. Also put a fuel limit to control top speeds and horsepower.
12-08-2008, 09:58 AM
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Would these solutions be any better than spec racing? If you want to limit G load reduce tire width and take away the rear diffuser. Eliminating the diffuser won't change the way the cars look to the untrained eye. Limit the area (sq in./sq. cm) of the front & rear wings. Let the teams determine what size and shape works the best for them. I'm willing to bet they are getting the maximum efficiency out the engine presently. If you place limits on fuel flow rates, you are doing the same as having a spec engine.
The reason there is a G limit in the air races is to prevent the racers from blackout. It is a safety reason, not a competition limiter.
The reason there is a G limit in the air races is to prevent the racers from blackout. It is a safety reason, not a competition limiter.
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