Official 2009 Formula 1 Season Discussion
01-02-2009, 11:27 AM
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Well if the rumors are true, i have respect for what alonso done. btw i guess kimi was about to loose a seat. hopefuly this session he will step up his game. becausse alonso just saved him.
Reports Claim Alonso Turned Down 2009 Ferrari F1 Offer
January 2, 2009 3:31 PM
Filed Under: F1, Ferrari
Fernando Alonso turned down an opportunity to switch immediately to Ferrari out of loyalty to his current F1 employer Renault.
That is the claim of a Spanish newspaper, following authoritative reports from Italy that the former double world champion has now penned a deal to race with the famous Maranello based team in 2010 or 2011.
Diario AS said Ferrari were prepared to put Alonso, 27, into the 2009 race seat of Kimi Raikkonen, who despite winning the title in 2007 had a disappointing season last year.
But Alonso, said the newspaper, put a stop to the deal because it would have left Renault in the lurch less than three months from the start of the 2009 season.
"In short, the Italian team's sudden interest came too late for Fernando," AS said.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090102....rrari-f1-offer
Reports Claim Alonso Turned Down 2009 Ferrari F1 Offer
January 2, 2009 3:31 PM
Filed Under: F1, Ferrari
Fernando Alonso turned down an opportunity to switch immediately to Ferrari out of loyalty to his current F1 employer Renault.
That is the claim of a Spanish newspaper, following authoritative reports from Italy that the former double world champion has now penned a deal to race with the famous Maranello based team in 2010 or 2011.
Diario AS said Ferrari were prepared to put Alonso, 27, into the 2009 race seat of Kimi Raikkonen, who despite winning the title in 2007 had a disappointing season last year.
But Alonso, said the newspaper, put a stop to the deal because it would have left Renault in the lurch less than three months from the start of the 2009 season.
"In short, the Italian team's sudden interest came too late for Fernando," AS said.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090102....rrari-f1-offer
01-04-2009, 11:33 AM
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http://formulaoneamerica.blogspot.co...m-as-kers.html
Friday, January 2, 2009
Ferrari and Peugeot 908 Program as KERS partners?
According to Mulsanne's Corner, Ferrari and Peugeot have entered into a relationship where Peugeot will run Ferrari's F1 KERS system on a 908 development car. It is reported that Ferrari are very worried and preparing for the possibility that their KERS system will not be ready for the first race in Melbourne.
With the F1 testing ban set to go into effect, it is understood this partnership was hatched in order to further debug the KERS system in the back of a Peugeot 908. Therefore, making an end run around Formula One's test ban.
Ferrari is not new to the game of finding ways to circumventing the spirit of rules (no F1 team is for that matter) and if the reports are to be believed, it certainly speaks to Ferrari's very public KERS development woes which have been discussed here in several posts. However, it may also speak to Ferrari making a KERS system available to racing teams in other series in the future. Sticking a KERS system in the back of the sportscar prototype may address installation issues for future prospective customers. As in Formula One, Sportscar racing (generally speaking American Le Mans Series, Le Mans Series, and Automobile Club de l'Ouest or ACO) has car manufacturer and private team participation. Also as in F1, they are looking to cut costs and are developing and using 'greener' technology such as diesel, E85, and hybrid technology. It certainly would be a cost saving to some manufacturers and teams if they were simply to purchase an install a hybrid system as opposed to trying to develop one.
Whatever you think about Ferrari and the bending of rules, I certainly appreciate Ferrari thinking outside the box.
Friday, January 2, 2009
Ferrari and Peugeot 908 Program as KERS partners?
According to Mulsanne's Corner, Ferrari and Peugeot have entered into a relationship where Peugeot will run Ferrari's F1 KERS system on a 908 development car. It is reported that Ferrari are very worried and preparing for the possibility that their KERS system will not be ready for the first race in Melbourne.
With the F1 testing ban set to go into effect, it is understood this partnership was hatched in order to further debug the KERS system in the back of a Peugeot 908. Therefore, making an end run around Formula One's test ban.
Ferrari is not new to the game of finding ways to circumventing the spirit of rules (no F1 team is for that matter) and if the reports are to be believed, it certainly speaks to Ferrari's very public KERS development woes which have been discussed here in several posts. However, it may also speak to Ferrari making a KERS system available to racing teams in other series in the future. Sticking a KERS system in the back of the sportscar prototype may address installation issues for future prospective customers. As in Formula One, Sportscar racing (generally speaking American Le Mans Series, Le Mans Series, and Automobile Club de l'Ouest or ACO) has car manufacturer and private team participation. Also as in F1, they are looking to cut costs and are developing and using 'greener' technology such as diesel, E85, and hybrid technology. It certainly would be a cost saving to some manufacturers and teams if they were simply to purchase an install a hybrid system as opposed to trying to develop one.
Whatever you think about Ferrari and the bending of rules, I certainly appreciate Ferrari thinking outside the box.
01-05-2009, 09:47 AM
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The rule was stupid from the start. Being an engineer myself I can say that a product is never bug free. Its testing, testing and further testing that is needed. I applaud Ferrari for their solution for two reasons:
1. Getting the KERS available outside F1
2. Increasing the safety for their drivers by being able to fine tune and debug the KERS system.
1. Getting the KERS available outside F1
2. Increasing the safety for their drivers by being able to fine tune and debug the KERS system.
01-08-2009, 12:17 PM
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Mosley floats movable aero idea
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.a...44879&PO=44879
Thursday, 08 January 2009 16:40
FIA president Max Mosley believes movable aerodynamic devices may be the key to improving the spectacle in Formula 1.
In a letter to the Formula One Teams Association, Mosley admits that the jury is out on whether the measures enacted for 2009 – chiefly the reintroduction of slick tyres, drastic downforce reductions and the temporary power boost provided by KERS devices – will have the desired effect of promoting overtaking.
And he says that other ideas being mooted to improve the show, such as reverse grids or the medals system favoured by F1’s commercial supremo Bernie Ecclestone, are irrelevant unless the fundamental problem of aerodynamic turbulence is addressed.
“Changes to the aerodynamics rules have been proposed by a group of top experts from the teams and will take effect in 2009,” Mosley wrote.
“It remains to be seen whether these plus an extra 80 bhp from KERS will help overtaking.
“There are also proposals for changes to the sporting regulations such as wholly or partially reversed grids, allocating leading grid places by lot, giving the world championship to the driver with most wins and so on.
“Arguably, however, none of these deals with the problem that once the faster car gets past, it tends to drive away.
“So none of these proposals is conducive to close, wheel-to-wheel racing.”
Instead Mosley believes introducing movable aerodynamic devices may be the answer.
These would change the level of downforce and drag a car is generating depending on its positioning on the track, so that a car would gain, rather than lose, downforce when running close behind a rival – thereby avoiding the loss of front-end grip that is the main impediment to cars circulating in close company.
Mosley said the intention would be to recreate the kind of wheel-to-wheel slipstreaming battles that took place on fast circuits like Monza in the 1960s.
“We intend to seek FOTA’s help to investigate the use of movable aerodynamic devices,” he wrote.
“If sufficiently radical, these could give a car following another car a performance advantage by virtue of being behind.
“In a primitive way, this was the case in the 1960s, when a car would get a ‘tow’ and lose lift and thus be faster in the wake of another car.
“The result was wheel-to-wheel racing at the so-called slipstreaming circuits, for example pre-chicane Monza.”
While the kind of slipstreaming Mosley extolled was possible in the pre-wings era, and has not been seen since, the FIA president is confident it can be recaptured.
“Using modern technology, movable aero devices could be used to give a car more downforce and less drag whenever it was in turbulent air,” he wrote.
“This would produce wheel-to-wheel racing on all types of circuit.”
Movable aerodynamic devices have been banned in Formula 1 since the late 1960s after the high pole-mounted wings of that era broke off and caused several serious accidents.
The 2009 rules have already taken a small step towards reintroducing them by allowing a cockpit-adjustable flap on the front wing, but Mosley envisages an automatic system.
“It would…require significant (possibly automatic) movable aero devices,” he wrote.
FIA technical consultant Tony Purnell recently stressed the need for radical thinking on aerodynamics – admitting that the changes in place for 2009 could be regarded as no more than tinkering.
“I’m absolutely sure the cars will be better, but some would say we’re talking about a remedial basket case as far as good racing goes, because the car is so badly affected when following,” he told Racecar Engineering magazine.
“While the cars will be better, have the changes gone far enough? We just don’t know.”
Purnell suggested that attempts to promote overtaking will yield only modest benefits for as long as downforce plays a key role in Formula 1 cars’ performance.
“My belief...is that Formula 1, and single-seater racing – and probably sports cars as well – face a dilemma," he said.
“Unfortunately there is a degree of evidence that suggests aerodynamics is probably the worst thing you can have when it comes to close racing.”
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Anyone remember the Chaparral 2G? Think it would work like that?
Thursday, 08 January 2009 16:40
FIA president Max Mosley believes movable aerodynamic devices may be the key to improving the spectacle in Formula 1.
In a letter to the Formula One Teams Association, Mosley admits that the jury is out on whether the measures enacted for 2009 – chiefly the reintroduction of slick tyres, drastic downforce reductions and the temporary power boost provided by KERS devices – will have the desired effect of promoting overtaking.
And he says that other ideas being mooted to improve the show, such as reverse grids or the medals system favoured by F1’s commercial supremo Bernie Ecclestone, are irrelevant unless the fundamental problem of aerodynamic turbulence is addressed.
“Changes to the aerodynamics rules have been proposed by a group of top experts from the teams and will take effect in 2009,” Mosley wrote.
“It remains to be seen whether these plus an extra 80 bhp from KERS will help overtaking.
“There are also proposals for changes to the sporting regulations such as wholly or partially reversed grids, allocating leading grid places by lot, giving the world championship to the driver with most wins and so on.
“Arguably, however, none of these deals with the problem that once the faster car gets past, it tends to drive away.
“So none of these proposals is conducive to close, wheel-to-wheel racing.”
Instead Mosley believes introducing movable aerodynamic devices may be the answer.
These would change the level of downforce and drag a car is generating depending on its positioning on the track, so that a car would gain, rather than lose, downforce when running close behind a rival – thereby avoiding the loss of front-end grip that is the main impediment to cars circulating in close company.
Mosley said the intention would be to recreate the kind of wheel-to-wheel slipstreaming battles that took place on fast circuits like Monza in the 1960s.
“We intend to seek FOTA’s help to investigate the use of movable aerodynamic devices,” he wrote.
“If sufficiently radical, these could give a car following another car a performance advantage by virtue of being behind.
“In a primitive way, this was the case in the 1960s, when a car would get a ‘tow’ and lose lift and thus be faster in the wake of another car.
“The result was wheel-to-wheel racing at the so-called slipstreaming circuits, for example pre-chicane Monza.”
While the kind of slipstreaming Mosley extolled was possible in the pre-wings era, and has not been seen since, the FIA president is confident it can be recaptured.
“Using modern technology, movable aero devices could be used to give a car more downforce and less drag whenever it was in turbulent air,” he wrote.
“This would produce wheel-to-wheel racing on all types of circuit.”
Movable aerodynamic devices have been banned in Formula 1 since the late 1960s after the high pole-mounted wings of that era broke off and caused several serious accidents.
The 2009 rules have already taken a small step towards reintroducing them by allowing a cockpit-adjustable flap on the front wing, but Mosley envisages an automatic system.
“It would…require significant (possibly automatic) movable aero devices,” he wrote.
FIA technical consultant Tony Purnell recently stressed the need for radical thinking on aerodynamics – admitting that the changes in place for 2009 could be regarded as no more than tinkering.
“I’m absolutely sure the cars will be better, but some would say we’re talking about a remedial basket case as far as good racing goes, because the car is so badly affected when following,” he told Racecar Engineering magazine.
“While the cars will be better, have the changes gone far enough? We just don’t know.”
Purnell suggested that attempts to promote overtaking will yield only modest benefits for as long as downforce plays a key role in Formula 1 cars’ performance.
“My belief...is that Formula 1, and single-seater racing – and probably sports cars as well – face a dilemma," he said.
“Unfortunately there is a degree of evidence that suggests aerodynamics is probably the worst thing you can have when it comes to close racing.”
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Anyone remember the Chaparral 2G? Think it would work like that?
01-08-2009, 12:24 PM
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we need to kill him faster than he is killing this sport!
The best solution would be to simply remove any rule and just reintroduce "limitations" (weight, dimensions, engine displacement but not engine type etc) focused on budget. Like saying "Ok teams, let's see what you can do considering you all have the same budget".
A kind of salary cap, fulcrum of american pro sports... well, a budget cap
The best solution would be to simply remove any rule and just reintroduce "limitations" (weight, dimensions, engine displacement but not engine type etc) focused on budget. Like saying "Ok teams, let's see what you can do considering you all have the same budget".
A kind of salary cap, fulcrum of american pro sports... well, a budget cap
01-08-2009, 12:48 PM
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we need to kill him faster than he is killing this sport!
The best solution would be to simply remove any rule and just reintroduce "limitations" (weight, dimensions, engine displacement but not engine type etc) focused on budget. Like saying "Ok teams, let's see what you can do considering you all have the same budget".
A kind of salary cap, fulcrum of american pro sports... well, a budget cap
The best solution would be to simply remove any rule and just reintroduce "limitations" (weight, dimensions, engine displacement but not engine type etc) focused on budget. Like saying "Ok teams, let's see what you can do considering you all have the same budget".
A kind of salary cap, fulcrum of american pro sports... well, a budget cap
01-10-2009, 11:17 AM
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New Renault fails two out of three mandatory crash tests
http://www.f1technical.net/news/11378
The Renault F1 Team's new car, which will make its track debut on 19 January at the new Algarve track, has failed two of the three mandatory crash tests. This should however not delay the launch of the car. In 2005, Renault failed a side impact test but later on won the world championship.
The Renault F1 Team's new car, which will make its track debut on 19 January at the new Algarve track, has failed two of the three mandatory crash tests. This should however not delay the launch of the car. In 2005, Renault failed a side impact test but later on won the world championship.
01-11-2009, 06:18 AM
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we need to kill him faster than he is killing this sport!
The best solution would be to simply remove any rule and just reintroduce "limitations" (weight, dimensions, engine displacement but not engine type etc) focused on budget. Like saying "Ok teams, let's see what you can do considering you all have the same budget".
A kind of salary cap, fulcrum of american pro sports... well, a budget cap
The best solution would be to simply remove any rule and just reintroduce "limitations" (weight, dimensions, engine displacement but not engine type etc) focused on budget. Like saying "Ok teams, let's see what you can do considering you all have the same budget".
A kind of salary cap, fulcrum of american pro sports... well, a budget cap
I think it is 2.4 liter today but that can be adjusted
01-12-2009, 09:49 AM
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The new 20009 Ferrari -F60
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090112....ealed-in-italy
Ferrari on Monday became the first formula one team to reveal its 2009 car.
The 'F60', named in celebration of the fact the Italian marque is the only to have contested all sixty seasons in the sport's history, was launched with a low-key event at Ferrari's Maranello headquarters.
Explaining the name, team boss Stefano Domenicali said: "It was our desire to combine the history of F1 and the fact that Ferrari has always been present."
The car was originally scheduled to be track debuted at nearby Fiorano, but Felipe Massa will instead take to the cockpit of the F60 for the first time at Ferrari's other circuit, Mugello.
La Gazzetta dello Sport said Fiorano is covered with frost.
Massa said he was pleasantly surprised about the appearance of the F60. "With all the new regulations I was expecting something else, like ten years ago with huge wings, but I was surprised.
"I find the new F60 to be nice, small like a F3 car but nice looking," the Brazilian said
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090112....ealed-in-italy
Ferrari on Monday became the first formula one team to reveal its 2009 car.
The 'F60', named in celebration of the fact the Italian marque is the only to have contested all sixty seasons in the sport's history, was launched with a low-key event at Ferrari's Maranello headquarters.
Explaining the name, team boss Stefano Domenicali said: "It was our desire to combine the history of F1 and the fact that Ferrari has always been present."
The car was originally scheduled to be track debuted at nearby Fiorano, but Felipe Massa will instead take to the cockpit of the F60 for the first time at Ferrari's other circuit, Mugello.
La Gazzetta dello Sport said Fiorano is covered with frost.
Massa said he was pleasantly surprised about the appearance of the F60. "With all the new regulations I was expecting something else, like ten years ago with huge wings, but I was surprised.
"I find the new F60 to be nice, small like a F3 car but nice looking," the Brazilian said
01-12-2009, 12:22 PM
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Who wants to guess how many of the new front wings get ripped off in traffic at the first race, due to the "new and improved" width??
I'd like to predict at least half the field.
I'd like to predict at least half the field.
01-12-2009, 01:51 PM
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01-16-2009, 09:03 AM
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Dennis steps down as team principal
http://www.f1technical.net/news/11421
Dennis steps down as team principal
Vodafone McLaren Mercedes F1 Team boss Ron Dennis will step down from his role as team principal. He will be replaced by Marin Whitarsh as of 1 March 2009. Dennis insists that he is not retiring, but will focus on other tasks related to the McLaren Group and will still attend some races.
Dennis said during the launch event: "I stress nothing to get too excited about but it is absolute time for Martin to take over as team principal. As from March 1 he will adopt that responsibility. I will still go to races, not all of them, because I am passionate.
"I intend to work harder and will take on greater responsibility in the group. I will be full executive chairman. It is time and I have to say it is absolutely 100 percent my decision. It is what I want to do, but I do intend to work much harder.
"Don't see it as some sort of retirement, I want to work harder in other areas and having to plan those tasks around the GP calendar is disruptive to the process. It is a job that Martin will embrace and enjoy.
"It is a job over the years we have shared anyway, but it will be his decision to influence things at a grand prix circuit."
Dennis steps down as team principal
Vodafone McLaren Mercedes F1 Team boss Ron Dennis will step down from his role as team principal. He will be replaced by Marin Whitarsh as of 1 March 2009. Dennis insists that he is not retiring, but will focus on other tasks related to the McLaren Group and will still attend some races.
Dennis said during the launch event: "I stress nothing to get too excited about but it is absolute time for Martin to take over as team principal. As from March 1 he will adopt that responsibility. I will still go to races, not all of them, because I am passionate.
"I intend to work harder and will take on greater responsibility in the group. I will be full executive chairman. It is time and I have to say it is absolutely 100 percent my decision. It is what I want to do, but I do intend to work much harder.
"Don't see it as some sort of retirement, I want to work harder in other areas and having to plan those tasks around the GP calendar is disruptive to the process. It is a job that Martin will embrace and enjoy.
"It is a job over the years we have shared anyway, but it will be his decision to influence things at a grand prix circuit."
01-18-2009, 11:48 PM
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I'm just wondering how much money vodafone pitches in to have their logo on ALL the best spots on the car. I mean, sides, rear wing, front wing and even in small over the air intakes.
Did i miss any position?
Did i miss any position?