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Old 07-05-2013, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Brettus
I don't get it .............. ME is already available and proven (although it's not perfect) . Why wait for something that is in development and unproven.
derp. missed this comment. not sure if this was also directed towards me, but I have only stuck by VT because I have put a solid amount of effort into helping them bring the software to this platform that I would be an *** to just bail after all their efforts. I also like their interface, but that's the developer in me lol.
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Originally Posted by paimon.soror
derp. missed this comment. not sure if this was also directed towards me, but I have only stuck by VT because I have put a solid amount of effort into helping them bring the software to this platform that I would be an *** to just bail after all their efforts. I also like their interface, but that's the developer in me lol.
As someone who has used practically every ECU solution ever made for the S1 rx8 I admire your quest for adventure .
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Us S2 guys can use all the options we can get lol. Just putting forth my efforts
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Hmm, so I'm starting to suspect that at anything over about 3V from the MAF sensor, or 100g/s the ECU is NOT using the MAF table to calculate fuel. At least, not the MAF table we have access to...
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Oh dear - you got problems ......
I give up. Am I just doing it wrong or is there something wrong with my car? It really does look as though changes to the MAF cal above 100g/s have no effect (at least in closed loop)
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Originally Posted by blu3dragon
I give up. Am I just doing it wrong or is there something wrong with my car? It really does look as though changes to the MAF cal above 100g/s have no effect (at least in closed loop)
Have not checked this but , I don't think you can even be in closed loop at 100g/s ?????

Changes to the maf table definitely do have an effect . what exactly are you doing and trying to achieve ?
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Originally Posted by Brettus
Have not checked this but , I don't think you can even be in closed loop at 100g/s ?????

Changes to the maf table definitely do have an effect . what exactly are you doing and trying to achieve ?
In 2nd gear my car switches to open loop at around 150g/s. I don't have many closed loop samples from my logs over 100g/s though, so it may be that my results are being affected by latency of the readings or throttle tip in/out.

I'm basically just trying to dial in the MAF calibration before messing with open loop fueling tables. For now, I've decided to just scale everything above 100g/s by a fixed amount, set the open loop AFR to 12.67 in all tables/cells and go see what happens.

The car is a stock series 2 (stock intake) with a mid-pipe fitted for track weekends.

Ultimately I want to end up with a tune for the track (w/ mid-pipe) and a tune for the street that optimizes AFR while keeping the cat safe.
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Originally Posted by blu3dragon
In 2nd gear my car switches to open loop at around 150g/s. I don't have many closed loop samples from my logs over 100g/s though, so it may be that my results are being affected by latency of the readings or throttle tip in/out.

I'm basically just trying to dial in the MAF calibration before messing with open loop fueling tables. For now, I've decided to just scale everything above 100g/s by a fixed amount, set the open loop AFR to 12.67 in all tables/cells and go see what happens.

The car is a stock series 2 (stock intake) with a mid-pipe fitted for track weekends.

Ultimately I want to end up with a tune for the track (w/ mid-pipe) and a tune for the street that optimizes AFR while keeping the cat safe.
150g/s before it goes into OL ? Wow ! I can't imagine how you are doing that .

Some of the things you guys are doing with the maf table really make me scratch my head . I've tuned multiple rx8s and it's rare that I even touch the maf table . Only when LTFT is out of whack and I know it is unlikely that some fault is causing it.
I guess there are several ways to achieve the same result - the way you are doing it is the hard way . IMHO
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Originally Posted by Brettus
150g/s before it goes into OL ? Wow ! I can't imagine how you are doing that .
That's the stock behaviour on an s2. Or at least on my s2.
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interesting. I will see if mine does the same thing.
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Any updates Paimon?
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Nothing , starting to give up hope. I sent an email at the end of last week for an update... no response yet.
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Originally Posted by Steve@Versatune
Sorry to be quiet for so long. We've been busy. We are working on a hardware solution to recover failed ECUs. The RX-8 ROM is much less forgiving of failed flashes than the Mazdaspeed 3/6 ECUs. We are still committed to Series II RX-8. This ECU recovery has been an unexpected speed bump.
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Originally Posted by blu3dragon
The car is a stock series 2 (stock intake) with a mid-pipe fitted for track weekends.
Any idea how much the midpipe is adding by itself? I had a dyno run with Racing Beat v2 software and midpipe on my Series I. It added 12 hp, but only at the very top of the rpm range. i had already decided i wasn't going to use that range a lot because of a comment I read on the lack of balance of the rotors at the top. So I bagged them both. (Plus it was a pain to change the mid pipe - I needed new bolts every time.)

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There is a type in the notes - these were 4th gear pulls.

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I'm impressed that they are actually going to provide a solution for that . With protuner we were left in the lurch .
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Same with ME i suppose. But he is a bit abstract in his response especially when he says "hardware". So i wonder if that means if we brick the ECU we have to mail it to them to unbrick.
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Originally Posted by paimon.soror
Same with ME i suppose..
The difference with ME is that the way it works seems less likely to cause a bricking than Protuner . But yeah if it does happen , there is no solution.
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I'm aware of a couple flat out hard crashes with ME during flash that were all recoverable by restarting the flash.

One of which involved a lightning strike, fried hard drive, and power outage.
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must be something about the S2 ecu. not sure.
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The lightning strike catastrophic power loss recovery happened with an S2...
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oh interesting. Then i have no idea wtf VT is doing lol
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Originally Posted by ShellDude
I'm aware of a couple flat out hard crashes with ME during flash that were all recoverable by restarting the flash.

One of which involved a lightning strike, fried hard drive, and power outage.
Wow - that's impressive !!!!!
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Maybe it's because of the open port folks have been able to recover.

With my luck I'll be the guy that fries his ECU.
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Originally Posted by ganseg
Any idea how much the midpipe is adding by itself?
My logs show some very small gains in acceleration (1-2mph but at higher air temps) at the end of a straight. I also have new coils and lowered the car between those runs so this is not all from the midpipe which I have to conclude is not making a big difference. My main reason for running the midpipe is to avoid burning up the expensive catalyst on the track. Actually, I have put the cat back in for daily driving.

I will try and get a dyno run at some point, but making a back to back comparison is unlikely to happen. I do have an earlier dyno, but that is also before changing coils.

btw, your dyno looks very smooth and healthy - good to see, mine was not like that at the top end.

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