Gas/Oil Premix Thread
03-02-2013, 01:03 PM
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I would say if you feel like fabbing for the adapter, go for it. I prefer to put it in the fuel, because I know it will get into the engine. Plus it's just easier. I believe my OMP Injectors are clogged, as I don't use any oil at all. Every time I check the oil, it is right where it was the last time. Since I prefer the cleaner designed to burn oil in their any way, it is of no concern to me. I simply have to be sure I always have 2 cycle oil on hand. My point being simply if your are going to go with the Sohn, make certain your oil injectors are operating properly. There was one guy on here who removed his and they were clogged pretty good. Taking them out periodically for a cleaning should probably be routine maintenance every couple years. I don't think they are very easy to remove though? I have never tried.
Thanks to anyone else who chimed in
03-12-2013, 08:27 PM
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hey guys. i hate to ask this question because i know its been answered numerous times. but im this is my last option. i did a tune up and filled the tank up last week. the tanks empty now and i think its time i add premix to this.
what premix am i suppose to use. i saw amsoil saber is good but i cant see it on the local autoshops.
any premix oil i can buy from local shops like autozone, oriellys and/or advanced? mytime is limited and dont have time to go through the 140 pages. plus im trying to get an answer now so i add the premix and fill up my tank for work tomorrow.
thanks and sorry for asking
what premix am i suppose to use. i saw amsoil saber is good but i cant see it on the local autoshops.
any premix oil i can buy from local shops like autozone, oriellys and/or advanced? mytime is limited and dont have time to go through the 140 pages. plus im trying to get an answer now so i add the premix and fill up my tank for work tomorrow.
thanks and sorry for asking
03-12-2013, 08:43 PM
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I would (do) use any oil with an ISO-EGD rating, or the JASO FD equivalent.
Lowest smoke and highest lubricity.
Don't use boat motor TCW crap, I know it's cheap, but it's cheap for a reason....
Lowest smoke and highest lubricity.
Don't use boat motor TCW crap, I know it's cheap, but it's cheap for a reason....
03-13-2013, 02:57 AM
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From my understanding I shouldn't? Very confused.
Marvel mystery oil sounds good but then they say not to use it for premix? I really need to buy stuff locally at the shop. Ill go there tomorrow and see but online the websites don't show anything.
What about Honda two-stroke oil...I was thinking, they make bikes and shouldn't they follow the same requirements? And oem Honda oil should be available at the dealer.
Please excuse me if I'm repeating same questions. I really can't get a straight answer
Marvel mystery oil sounds good but then they say not to use it for premix? I really need to buy stuff locally at the shop. Ill go there tomorrow and see but online the websites don't show anything.
What about Honda two-stroke oil...I was thinking, they make bikes and shouldn't they follow the same requirements? And oem Honda oil should be available at the dealer.
Please excuse me if I'm repeating same questions. I really can't get a straight answer
03-13-2013, 06:31 AM
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From my understanding I shouldn't? Very confused.
Marvel mystery oil sounds good but then they say not to use it for premix? I really need to buy stuff locally at the shop. Ill go there tomorrow and see but online the websites don't show anything.
What about Honda two-stroke oil...I was thinking, they make bikes and shouldn't they follow the same requirements? And oem Honda oil should be available at the dealer.
Please excuse me if I'm repeating same questions. I really can't get a straight answer
Marvel mystery oil sounds good but then they say not to use it for premix? I really need to buy stuff locally at the shop. Ill go there tomorrow and see but online the websites don't show anything.
What about Honda two-stroke oil...I was thinking, they make bikes and shouldn't they follow the same requirements? And oem Honda oil should be available at the dealer.
Please excuse me if I'm repeating same questions. I really can't get a straight answer
03-13-2013, 11:31 AM
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From my understanding I shouldn't? Very confused.
Marvel mystery oil sounds good but then they say not to use it for premix? I really need to buy stuff locally at the shop. Ill go there tomorrow and see but online the websites don't show anything.
What about Honda two-stroke oil...I was thinking, they make bikes and shouldn't they follow the same requirements? And oem Honda oil should be available at the dealer.
Please excuse me if I'm repeating same questions. I really can't get a straight answer
Marvel mystery oil sounds good but then they say not to use it for premix? I really need to buy stuff locally at the shop. Ill go there tomorrow and see but online the websites don't show anything.
What about Honda two-stroke oil...I was thinking, they make bikes and shouldn't they follow the same requirements? And oem Honda oil should be available at the dealer.
Please excuse me if I'm repeating same questions. I really can't get a straight answer
I use Idemitsu in my SOHN reservoir but I don't use it to premix my gas. I go thru it fast enough as it is due to my increased OMP rates.
03-14-2013, 01:26 PM
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Well I ended up getting mystik one from academy- 25 bucks for a gallon.
7 oz for 13.79gals of gas
Drove it about 10 miles sofar didn't really feel any difference but maybe it's too early to tell
7 oz for 13.79gals of gas
Drove it about 10 miles sofar didn't really feel any difference but maybe it's too early to tell
03-14-2013, 01:48 PM
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You won't feel a difference. All the smoother idle, etc. is just BS. It will take time for the engine to benefit from doing this and depending on your mileage and the existing carbon build up it may be pointless.
03-20-2013, 05:11 PM
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From my understanding I shouldn't? Very confused.
Marvel mystery oil sounds good but then they say not to use it for premix? I really need to buy stuff locally at the shop. Ill go there tomorrow and see but online the websites don't show anything.
What about Honda two-stroke oil...I was thinking, they make bikes and shouldn't they follow the same requirements? And oem Honda oil should be available at the dealer.
Please excuse me if I'm repeating same questions. I really can't get a straight answer
Marvel mystery oil sounds good but then they say not to use it for premix? I really need to buy stuff locally at the shop. Ill go there tomorrow and see but online the websites don't show anything.
What about Honda two-stroke oil...I was thinking, they make bikes and shouldn't they follow the same requirements? And oem Honda oil should be available at the dealer.
Please excuse me if I'm repeating same questions. I really can't get a straight answer
My opinion, use 1/2 oz MMO per gallon of gas to supplement the OMP and help with cleaning. It's a mix of light oil and solvent. Perfect. Remeber you're not driving a motorcycle or 2-stroke boat. You are *supplementing* the OMP. The supplement doesn't have to be an ideal 2-stroke oil. Rather, it should complement the oil that's already being used. In that light, a light lubricating solvent seems ideal to me, but I'm nuts.
MMO is available anywhere. Easy. Don't worry, be happy.
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03-20-2013, 05:30 PM
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Perfect? 
You should mix MMO in a quart of gas, shake it up, let it sit, and then take a look at it. Putting a miniscule amount of MMO in your gas tank is pointless. Actually putting any amount of MMO in your gas is pointless.
You should mix MMO in a quart of gas, shake it up, let it sit, and then take a look at it. Putting a miniscule amount of MMO in your gas tank is pointless. Actually putting any amount of MMO in your gas is pointless.
03-20-2013, 06:11 PM
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I think some things should be clarified, after several PM's between me and STEALTH and doing some online research on TCW-3. It is definitely designed to be burnt and fully combust without leaving any residue or ash (if it is a synthetic ashless oil). It is made WITHOUT any metallic additives, as it is meant to burn ashless it does not contain any.
While it probably wouldn't do any harm to the car (besides the catalyst), the problem with TCW-3 lies within it's lubricating capabilities. It is not as good as an oil at lubricating as a ISO or JASO FC certified oil is. TCW-3 is an oil that is not good enough to lubricate snowmobiles and motorcycle engines, and has lead to failure to those engines that TCW-3 oils were used in. Not because the oil itself caused the failure, it just didn't serve it's purpose in lubricating the bearings and engine parts that needed lubricity, hence the failure.
So what I'm trying to get at is... TCW-3 oils suck as a lubricating oil. A JASO FC and ISO oil would do a much better job. TCW-3 premix is not the worst thing you can put in the car though, it shouldn't harm it, and it should lubricate some what, but it just isn't the best lubricant we would want for our engine; we would want to get the best we could in there. I just wanted to clarify this and explain some of these details, so that people using TCW-3 as premix don't get scared and think that they have potentially harmed their engine by using a oil with metallic particles (not true) that isn't meant to combust in their car (not true as well).
If you were using TCW-3 oils as I was, you should definitely switch to something else like idemitsu or any other 2-cycle oil JASO FC or ISO rated. This is one long assss thread, and reading through it is a pain, but if one does so you would find how contradicting a lot of the information is. I just wanted to make it easier for some people, and so that others don't make the same mistake I and many others have made.
While it probably wouldn't do any harm to the car (besides the catalyst), the problem with TCW-3 lies within it's lubricating capabilities. It is not as good as an oil at lubricating as a ISO or JASO FC certified oil is. TCW-3 is an oil that is not good enough to lubricate snowmobiles and motorcycle engines, and has lead to failure to those engines that TCW-3 oils were used in. Not because the oil itself caused the failure, it just didn't serve it's purpose in lubricating the bearings and engine parts that needed lubricity, hence the failure.
So what I'm trying to get at is... TCW-3 oils suck as a lubricating oil. A JASO FC and ISO oil would do a much better job. TCW-3 premix is not the worst thing you can put in the car though, it shouldn't harm it, and it should lubricate some what, but it just isn't the best lubricant we would want for our engine; we would want to get the best we could in there. I just wanted to clarify this and explain some of these details, so that people using TCW-3 as premix don't get scared and think that they have potentially harmed their engine by using a oil with metallic particles (not true) that isn't meant to combust in their car (not true as well).
If you were using TCW-3 oils as I was, you should definitely switch to something else like idemitsu or any other 2-cycle oil JASO FC or ISO rated. This is one long assss thread, and reading through it is a pain, but if one does so you would find how contradicting a lot of the information is. I just wanted to make it easier for some people, and so that others don't make the same mistake I and many others have made.
Hey guys check this out. Somebody had mentioned about an echo oil found at home depot. I made a visit and found this stuff. It's actually JASO FD approved, so I thought that was pretty interesting. I haven't used it yet. It's also pretty pricey at about $8 for that bottle. But it's useful info I suppose, if you need to buy some premix locally for whatever reason. It's found in the mower and lawn equipment aisle.
03-21-2013, 01:57 AM
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some information collected for OMP oil pump:
All Info about OMP oil valve RENESIS RX8 - Journal | TheDriveBook
here is some graphs of working, testing, diagnising and removing stock system
All Info about OMP oil valve RENESIS RX8 - Journal | TheDriveBook
here is some graphs of working, testing, diagnising and removing stock system
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03-22-2013, 06:16 PM
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The darkness of 2-stroke oils is from a dye, it's not an inherent property of the oil.
03-23-2013, 12:26 PM
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some information collected for OMP oil pump:
All Info about OMP oil valve RENESIS RX8 - Journal | TheDriveBook
here is some graphs of working, testing, diagnising and removing stock system
All Info about OMP oil valve RENESIS RX8 - Journal | TheDriveBook
here is some graphs of working, testing, diagnising and removing stock system
(interestingly enough, it is a throttle position sensor from the KL series of motors used in the MX6/MX-3/626/929/Millennia)
It's a switch very specific to the OMP manufactuer; Mikuni
If you want to see some good OMP research info then search for posts by forum member 'Delmeister'
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