Razz1

Kool...^ nothing like disinformation by the liberal party.

It's working!

Remember now that you believe everything I say... I am the next Obmanation.

marsredr100

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Nicez! Waiting for the Kool Aid

marsredr100

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Yeah, exactly what he said…….I Triple Dog Dare You

Rocketman1976

That is exactly what I am trying to figure out. I always weigh out the best product for the best price.

If one makes 10 more hp than the other but it will cost me $1000 more for that 10, then I don't want it. If one is making a little less HP but will be more reliable, and cost the same as the other, that sounds good to me. Hopefully I can figure it out by the time my funds are ready.



As far as **** poor choice of engine management I don't understand what you mean by that. Isn't their form of engine management a flash to your PCM? That doesn't seem **** poor. Is that any different than as if you uploaded a tune with a Cobb?

However I do agree that for $6200+ you should not need to do any improvements for the vehicle to run reliably and properly. That is ridiculous.

If there are as many problems as you spoke of with the Pettit kit, then I might just find it a better investment to get a Greddy with upgraded turbo. Hell, I might just save about $2000 and make a little more power.

It's really a pretty aggravating decision since none of the kits are really a low price. That just makes it all the more important to weigh out all the pro's and cons.

Brettus

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/\That is why a used kit can be a good buy - 1/2 the price and you spend what you save on making it work the way it should .

Flashwing

My understanding is the Pettit was marketed with the Interceptor-X as the standard engine management. People have used the EFI Dude or the Hymee but IMO that had more to do with the perception that they were sticking it to Jeff than it was with true product superiority.

With the COBB's pending doom I shudder at the thought of having to look at those options. Not because those products are terrible but because the technology is old or lacking in some manner compared to the ease and robustness of the accessPORT.

I've made the case in the past that the refusal to drop the Interceptor-X had more to do with the unwillingness to embrace new technology rather than the microtech being better as well.


Holy crap, does a triple dog dare actually exist?!?

paulmasoner

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From a totally baseless standpoint granted, I dont think that is the case, not entirely anyway. I get the feeling that at least part of it is the desire to see people who are claiming to be "into the scene" and puking up their version of knowledge and experience really understand how and why things work, and not just "it does to an acceptable level for me and thats enough". Particularly if and when the knowledge they are sharing is skewed or biased.

FWIW, i do feel that parts of the forum have grown a lot and for the better, DIY/Tech/Troubleshooting come to mind. But not the performance/HP sections so much. I'm not a part of any other automotive forum, but I wouldnt exepct anything less anywhere else honestly.

Obviously this thread is geared towards Pettit owners/prospects/etc. But the fact that it is 99% a "lounge" makes it annoying to have placed where it is in the database. And I'm not saying this thread is alone in that aspect.

I do tend to have a negative attitude, especially here. But i dont generally consider anyone stupid unless they show it; ignoring the obvious, doing the same thing multiple times expecting different results, knowlingly providing incorrect "knowledge", etc...

FWIW, for a nobody, i have played more than my fair share in the nonsense here before. But certainly not for any reasons of bias, hell I almost bought this kit at one point.

california style

is Flashwing living in the past?

The Pettit kit is managed via ecu reflash, and has a billet aluminium bypass valve.
The filter is part of the kit, and fine, and the other 'issues', in my case at least are non existent. Weird. "Shuddering at the thought" of using Mazda's ECU.... very strange.

PS As with Juan, I and most of the other owners here seem to love and enjoy our kits trouble free, and give them proper stick either at tracks or drag strips.

As I mentioned above, 1st place in street category (and 3rd overall) in a UK performance magazine sprint shootout is pretty impressive if you ask me.

Please leave this thread to us owners, if all you (i.e. everyone trolling / hating) want to contribute is outdated or uninformed negativity.
And just because you say it, doesn't mean you are informed.

paulmasoner

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i hope you california style, nor anyone else, see my current crowing as trolling/hating. i have zero interest in any kind of debate and the nonsense anymore. why would i, i'm on my way out of the community. just seems like it would be annoying for members to wade through what is essentially a lounge when checking new posts in the major horsepower section. and this thread isnt alone, it just happened to be the one that spurred comment since it was moved

marsredr100

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Yes it does. It is the coup de grace of all dares.

Phil's 8

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Going back into old posts must be tempered with new and upgraded knowledge.

God, I hope it does not come back to the interceptor X. In its day it was supposedly the best available. I hated it as it did not want to work on my s/c 8. That was some time ago and best forgotten. I am not familiar with the current flash that Pettit uses but as I understand (and could be wrong) it the ECU must be sent to Pettit any time you need a reflash or change anything. Again I am not familiar with Hymee's flash ether.

Currently I use the Cobb AP with MM's tunes and have to say I can't see it getting any better. I hope nothing ever happens to my Cobb because it is now becoming unavailable.

Personally, I was happy that Cam released the s/c when he did and I knew that I was getting a "work in progress" kit. That did not make the installer (BHR) or the tuner (MM) happy but I did expect problems. I was the first a/t and I think the third install and the first installed by others. I personally enjoy my s/c.

olddragger

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I acceptted a triple dog dare one time and 3 days later I washed up on a river bank in Dublun Ga on Sta Patricks day.

Flash/ and all---dudes---the iNt x was used at the time because there was no other management available. That was a few years ago--come on. Cobb wasnt even around then. Pettits management can do anything a cobb can do except letting the owner fiddle with it. Phil to answer your question--no the ecu doesnt have to be sent--although you can if you want. The tune is available via the efi dude and the internet. And you can ask for modifications if you like at any time. I dont think Cam likes to fool around with cancelling CEL's etc though. Not only does he have this but he also can support the european version and the automatics.

Every RX8 owner with any FI kit better address cooling --period. You know that well.
Blower is guaranteed---any turbo guaranteed to 100K?
Blower temps itself is not an issue.
Pettit recommends strongly a w/m system for prolonged spirited driving or tracking as should every turbo kit. Period.
I personally agree on the air intake--not that it affects drivability--but for me I wish a true cold air intake was part of the package. Its not hard or expensive to make one yourself. I also wish a K&N filter was not part of the package--much prefer a synthetic filter like AEM.
To each his own.
One thing I really like about the Pettit --is that I have someone to call for any questions, many owners have a lot of experience with this same kit so a good knowledge base is already there, and Pettit will be around 10 yrs from now.

Cal Style--- man i saw all that and that is awesome. Does say something doesnt it?

Juan--where you been dude? Feds have you doing a real job with those 16 hr shifts?
OD

Mawnee

For my posts I would like to point out that I wasnt bashing the kit. Just offering my experience with superchargers. Unlike many I have owned both Supercharged and Turboed vehicles as well as very stout NA builds. I still do not have a "favorite" as each has its merits depending on the car, the driver and the desired results.

The comment I made about the dyno chart was because that dyno chart keeps getting thrown out there and it is not that impressive. I have no doubts there are better results out there with this kit(Marsredr100's for instance) that would be a better representation to throw out there for comparison.

MazdaManiac

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Better shouldn't be allowed to substitute for typical.

It is misleading to use the "better" dyno as being representative of the results from a given "kit" since there are so many variables added in by the end user.

Mawnee

True enough. ok this kit sucks!









I"m kidding!

olddragger

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advertised expected peak whp for the standard kit is 275 i believe and for the upgraded kit (bigger crank pulley etc) 300?

Just wondering---Flash/MM have yall had any experience with this kit on a 6 port while it is running the Pettit flash? I know yall have tuned a couple with the Cobb after the install? If so can you tell us what you changed? What the probs were?

OD

MazdaManiac

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And the reality is about 50 WHP less on an unmodified kit.

olddragger

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uhhhh---who? I havent heard of them.
OD

MazdaManiac

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Heard of who? What are you talking about?

marsredr100

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I’m one of many Pettit Racing supercharged owners. I’m also a rotor head since the first time I sat on the passenger seat of a bridge ported R100 way back in the late 70’s. That’s when I told myself I got to get me one of this. Well, I do own a 1972 R100 with a Bridge Ported 13B as well. I did previously owned a 74 RX4 Rotary Wagon, 85 RX7 GSLSE and a 88 RX7 GTU. Taught myself how to work on and rebuilt rotary engines, not only on my car but for other rotary car owners.

Anyway, I don’t give a rats *** about what you run on your RX8 or rotary vehicle as long as you don’t pull the rotary engine out and install one of those up and down internal components engine. I selected the SC because I never had one before and my ultimate goal was to achieve 300 whp. Well, I got 330 and that’s more the enough for me. I also, wanted something that I didn’t have to play with everyday/week in order to get it to run “perfectly”. It is a rotary engine…….it will never happen, period.

I do have a life and I do have other things to do besides living under my RX8. In fact, I do use my 34 mpg stock Suzuki Aerio “box on wheels” as my DD, my Hayabusa if I really want to experience fast acceleration and 160+ mph and my R100 to brap-brap around town (my piston head neighbors think that the car has a large camshaft). Funny!

For all you “Pettit Supercharge Owners” thread trolls. Your comments, for the most part, amuse me and at time make me laugh. Not because what you guys say but for the sleep that you guys loose on the subject. Just get over it or seek medical help. Oh and for the record. I haven’t talk to Cam or stop by his shop since early last year. However, I do know that he also don’t give a rats *** about the peanut gallery comments because he is a long timer rotor head with nothing to prove. Meaning, been there done that and a closet full of T-shirts. Like me, don’t give a **** about what you run on your rotary vehicle as long as it is a rotary.

Next on the hopper is a nice 94 single turbo FD that a neighbor owns and has been sitting in his garage for over 3 years. Ah, that will be nice……..a garage with a N/A (bridge port), Turbo and SC ROTARIES.

Oh Snap! Look at the time...I better get back to "work"

Rocketman1976

Sure you can tweak the Pettit like Marsredr100 did and push 330 at the wheels, and you would have a different curve. I was just throwing that dyno out there because that's the performance you get out of the box with their flash tune. Yes it only peaked at 300 for 400 rpms. Do you see any other kits peak HP last longer? The peak is just that... a peak. It is not average HP.

My other point of the dyno was to show how similar it was to the stock curve. Most of the turbo'd dyno's show a peak HP at 6800-7500 rpms, but the stock renny just keeps climbing all the way to 8200-8400.

MazdaManiac

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Do you understand why?

zenrx8

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For someone with zero interest in debate, you sure do troll and hate a lot. I don't know where you came back from with a "******* vengeance", but speaking personally for myself, the day can't come soon enough for when you go back there. In fact, take this as an invitation to make today that you get "out of the community". I'm glad you have "zero interest in any kind of debate and the nonesense anymore", because, dear God, if you did, we'd have to put up with 10 times the poison post you're already making in your current disinterested state.

You rant against this thread being a "lounge", yet you and Jeff are the prime offenders at turning it into just that. 99% of your posts are filled with ridicule, derision, and self-importance, and on the rare, rare occasion that either one of you actually offers something constructive, it is done with the attitude of deigning to condescend to allow some of your Great Knowledge to be dispensed to the "97%....of the...morons" (quote, MM). Too bad you're not a hater, Paul, because you display all the skills you need to be a really, really good one. Same applies to Jeff.

**** you and the 8 you rode 'back in on'. If you want to torpedo this thread, just be honest that you have some serious personality and anger management issues driving your responses, not any real desire to help or offer useful advice in an open and friendly manner.

paulmasoner

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zen the only thing i hate is blatent stupidity. there just happens to be a lot of it in the world. two hundred and ninety eight pages, and you think my recent banter the last 3 days makes me a prime offender? you must have gone to public school to believe that math

i cant comment on the legitimacy or constructiveness of MM's posts, its not my place, and a lot of it is beyond my skill level. now that i look back, you must be the other illiterate tool's brother because most of the times i get involved in anything like this BS - i have a clear statement pointing out my lack of any reason to be held in special respect, and the fact that i am certainly not any of the knowledgable minds here.

also, i dont recall offering anything constructive anywhere... when i offer something, 99% of the time its a spoon for those who are clearly idiots and cant read or think for themselves.

i dont care if the thread is torpedo'd or not. and as far as i know, NO one but the Pettit owners and those who stand to profit has any desire to offer help or advice. seemingly because as a whole, the pettit owners are known for ignorance, blind stupidity, and be perfectly content to live under a rock in their own little world holding onto folklore like a flat earth

and if you want to "**** me", i've got something here you can sit and spin on...

Rocketman1976

From what I understand it is because the motor doesn't flow enough at those high RPM's to be able to efficiently produce more power that the turbo is capable of giving it.

To me it seems as though Pettit made their charger to work with the motor characteristics and flow just enough for the motor to be able to handle it all the way to red-line.

I don't know all the cfm's and details because I am not a rebuilder, tuner, or motor designer, but I know everything has to be along the same specs to conform properly, and the more they match up the more efficient they will be, as well as the less strain there will be on parts.

If I am off please elaborate because I enjoy getting all the details I can from people with a lot of experience.