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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 06:31 PM
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Why not open them even sooner than that? One tuner on this thread claimed that opening them as low as 2-3k rpms gives FI cars better response down low. My next tune I will open them at 2k to see how it feels.

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That tuner was mistaken . Opening them any earlier than 6000 will yeild a loss in whp .
It's all about the velocity of the rotor past the port .
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Old Feb 3, 2010 | 08:39 PM
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don't think it works that way but nice readings anyway .

Get a dyno done
I need to fine tune on a dyno...
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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 08:54 AM
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Frog Eye Gauge Pods

Who did try this things ?
I do not know how it fits ?!
I need a gaude pod for my AFR and boost gauge.
I was hesitating to get one like those.
this one is evo-R brand...

see it on ebay
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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 09:31 AM
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I know that the old days we used the int X and Scott reportively opened the apvs a little earier. I must admit the midrange kick was stronger then. I have no idea on the tune other than it was rich!
I have stopped thinking in terms of #psi boost, etc and I try to think now of the airs temp/viscosity. Helps me visualize it better.
Since the sc can get the air to max viscosity at around 3K that is unwavering to my redline, opening the apv earier should not show a drop in power?
How would the tune have to be changed? The red injectors are not that big and the p2's are oversized? As long as the a/f's remain good --there should be no change to the tune?
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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 09:34 AM
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Do you mean velocity?

My recommendation is to log g/sec curves with the same tune with the APVs open at stock, and backing it off by 1000 rpm at a time then overlay them.... the sweet spot should be pretty evident.

This assumes your MAF scale is spot on - helps avoid nasty lean spikes.
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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JMKuco
Who did try this things ?
I do not know how it fits ?!
I need a gaude pod for my AFR and boost gauge.
I was hesitating to get one like those.
this one is evo-R brand...

see it on ebay
you can get it if you want but the first few and only since that bought it werent happy with it, you can see in the pics that due to the geometry of the clameshelled gauge cluster the gauges actually face away from the driver. Not much but enough to be annoying to dislike it,,,

you may want to pester James to put in production his gauge pod that hes prototyped, https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-multimedia-photo-gallery-6/spoolinmazda-rx8-gauge-pod-189766/

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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Kane
Do you mean velocity?

My recommendation is to log g/sec curves with the same tune with the APVs open at stock, and backing it off by 1000 rpm at a time then overlay them.... the sweet spot should be pretty evident.
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been there done that . Don't see why a SC should be any different than a turbo in this regard .

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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 12:22 PM
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nope meant "viscosity". Helps me to understand "boost" better.
10psi "boost" means the air is compressed to a different viscosity than a 5lbpsi boost. Right?
Velocity is still important, as is flow. Makes me think of my large intestine
Just helps me to think that moving a higher viscosity air to a greater velocity is different than moving a lower vis to a greater velocity. Viscosity to me means = boost+ volumne. Otherword how much air do we have Jethro.

I really need the flow map for my unit--i guess?
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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 12:36 PM
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You do - or you can look at MAF, IAT and Pressure to help you visualize it.
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Old Feb 4, 2010 | 09:22 PM
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looks like i have a job to do.
That new jack is sweet
https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1265339997

Oh,,,,,,,,.... hit 326/g/sec at 7.5K today--just another day on the way to work!
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Old Feb 5, 2010 | 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by olddragger
looks like i have a job to do.
That new jack is sweet
https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1265339997

Oh,,,,,,,,.... hit 326/g/sec at 7.5K today--just another day on the way to work!
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What kind of jack is that? I need to get a new one. My craftsman one is all lopsided.
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Old Feb 5, 2010 | 08:55 AM
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best deal i have found on a jack. Its a 2 ton jack with double pumps and almost 19" lift. Low profile to 3 inches i think.
Its from Harbor Freight.
It is aluminum and wgt is about 35lbs
Got it for $159.oo +tax
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 08:32 AM
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ok --getting my kw's on and its my 1st experience with adjustable coilovers on my own car.
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in adjusting ride height--tires always has to come off and car has to be jacked up---right?
do you measure from fender lip to the center of the wheel?
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 08:35 AM
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Yep - I count threads on the Coilover, then remount the tire and drop it back down to get the height you want.

So once you get one wheel height right, set the other three to the same thread number and remeasure all of them on the ground.

It's kinda a pain but it works and it only normally takes me 20-30 minutes.
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 09:04 AM
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Thanks Kane.
Glad I have the new jack. Now if I only had a lortab or 2 for the old bones.

with the heavier springs (i had the TEIN H's) i can already tell traction is going to be more on an issue. Trade offs I guess.
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 09:10 AM
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Traction bars.... lol oh wait wrong generation.
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 10:15 AM
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now there you go --bringing back memories of bent leaf springs and broken u joints and Roadrunners fading behind me!
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 10:17 AM
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And a 13 second street car was hella fast!!!!
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 11:39 AM
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Lol--cept i was in the 11's with stock drum brakes! Couldnt stop the dang thing.
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by olddragger
10psi "boost" means the air is compressed to a different viscosity than a 5lbpsi boost. Right?
Velocity is still important, as is flow. Makes me think of my large intestine
Just helps me to think that moving a higher viscosity air to a greater velocity is different than moving a lower vis to a greater velocity. Viscosity to me means = boost+ volumne. Otherword how much air do we have Jethro.

I really need the flow map for my unit--i guess?
OD
Replace "viscosity" with "density" regarding air masses and you are on the right path.
Velocity isn't nearly the issue with F/I engines as much as density is. Velocity is a concept more applied to N/A engines in an effort to develop inertia in the air-mass. This is what Mazda calls their "Supercharger Effect" and it has been utilized with piston engines for the same purpose.
The idea is that with an N/A engine we are limited to the air-density that Mother Nature gives us. F/I engines can get around this a bit and I don't feel like arguing wastegates versus belt-drives, thank you.
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 12:03 PM
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Lol --i am with you Ray. Its just a personal word that helps my particular gray matter visualized a density that is flowing. When I think of density, for some reason I think of something just sitting there.
With my brain now a days I have to use whatever works to help what does not..
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 12:09 PM
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I am hip, Denny, but we gotta get you into the current nomenclature/vocabulary or the yungins/noobs who look up to you will become confused.

BTW, intake air velocity and density comprise the elements of harmonic resonance that engine designers use to achieve given torque curves in the engines they design. What Mazda did with the Renesis is pretty damned impressive.

With F/I engines we are somewhat replacing the concern for velocity with the element of density. Brute force to stuff air in the engine, so to speak.
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 12:18 PM
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Yeah...... finesse is for pussies!


Oooorah!


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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 01:15 PM
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Yeah...... finesse is for pussies!


Oooorah!


I once had a girlfriend who would argue that one...
She enjoyed the brute force method...
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Old Feb 8, 2010 | 07:07 PM
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lol
oooorah indeed:0.
For the sake of all those young impressionable minds i concur.
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