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Old 11-21-2008, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Just for your edification, this is what the MAF/Load values are for my turbo car at 9 PSI:



This is just a casual rip through second and third on my street. Didn't even take it to redline.

As you can see, the MAF is pegged at its maximum value (369 g/sec) so, who knows what its actual flow is.
ABSLoad hits 2 in some spots (also pegged) - all at considerably fewer RPM than the S/C.
Fortunately, the fuel calculations continue to stretch until the end of the available injector flow or this would all end very badly.

So, take your understanding of power and how it relates to MAF flow with a grain of salt.

Data is below.
Why would the MAF be pegged?? I thought you could just change the voltage and g/s on the MAF scale with the AP?
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Originally Posted by morkusyambo
Why would the MAF be pegged?? I thought you could just change the voltage and g/s on the MAF scale with the AP?
I can. And I probably should.
However, this will change the scaling of the load value and, to be perfectly honest, the car is running like a raped-ape right now and I don't feel compelled to play with it until the race season is over.

My reason for posting that was to point out that the MAF reading, while interesting, is not particularly useful for computing net power output.

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Wouldn't that take the value of the house into the negative given all the housing market crash :0 j/k
Somewhere else it might.
Around here, prices have only dropped a few percent.

Originally Posted by olddragger
get readings in 6th gear over approx 12 second pull --mine was at approx 132.3 mph
you should have felt the G's as my carbotec xp8's clamped down( on 275 nittos)!!
You can see God sometimes in a braking zone.
OD
I'm not sure what you are asking for. You want MAF readings in 6th at 130 MPH?
Why?
I don't spend too much time in 6th, other than on the highway.
Old 11-21-2008, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Somewhere else it might.
Around here, prices have only dropped a few percent.
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hmmmm was listening to a property guru who lives in Phoenix just yesterday - he claims Phoenix is one of the hardest hit cities with prices down from their peak as much as 100% in bad areas and 30-40% in good areas .
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Originally Posted by Brettus
hmmmm was listening to a property guru who lives in Phoenix just yesterday - he claims Phoenix is one of the hardest hit cities with prices down from their peak as much as 100% in bad areas and 30-40% in good areas .
Not here in Ahwatukee. (Also known as All-White-Tookey).
Its just slow, but people here can afford to wait on the market, so the prices are stable.
Not a whole lot of people bought over their heads, either, so there are no forclosures or short-sales.
Old 11-21-2008, 03:30 PM
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id say it fits, a little snug, but it fits.
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Old 11-21-2008, 03:36 PM
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Sorry Denny you were right,,, Moon was adapting it to the Rene...
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Gonna run a Mopar-style shaker scoop with that?
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Dont know yet, im just going with the flow. It still all fits under the hood, thats a plus but a set of bird catchers would look sick id say.
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lookin good Moon....
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Are the scissors optional?

Looks good.
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Originally Posted by Moon Assad
id say it fits, a little snug, but it fits.
are you serious Moon ?
What happens when you try and take it to 'teh twisties' with that big *** weight up there ?
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
As you can see, the MAF is pegged at its maximum value (369 g/sec) so, who knows what its actual flow is.
ABSLoad hits 2 in some spots (also pegged) - all at considerably fewer RPM than the S/C.
Fortunately, the fuel calculations continue to stretch until the end of the available injector flow or this would all end very badly.
Not to derail this thread, but are you saying that rather than have a MAF that is giving you a proper reading that you tuned your car by manually adding more fuel in situations where the MAF is pegged in order to hit your target AFR? Isn't that a giant PITA, or am I totally confused about something here?
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Originally Posted by rotary.enthusiast
Not to derail this thread, but are you saying that rather than have a MAF that is giving you a proper reading that you tuned your car by manually adding more fuel in situations where the MAF is pegged in order to hit your target AFR? Isn't that a giant PITA, or am I totally confused about something here?
The car was tuned for less maximum airflow than this. As the ambient temps when down, the density went up and exceeded the MAF top end.
I would much rather tune for what it is seeing (and I will).
However, because of the way the fuel tables are set up, I get the proper AFR without doing anything (because of the LOAD balance provided by the other sensors), so I don't have to worry about it at the moment.
When I have more time, I'll extend the MAF range because its the right thing to do.
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Originally Posted by Kane
Are the scissors optional?

Looks good.
That costs extra
I couldnt wait to see how it would fit, made the drive that much longer.
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Originally Posted by Brettus
are you serious Moon ?
What happens when you try and take it to 'teh twisties' with that big *** weight up there ?
Well, lets just say it offsets the driver. Its about the same weight as the 1.7s, havent scaled it yet but im sure its within 10 pounds, atleast my back says so. With a little more relocation I bet I can get a 2.6 in there, its only fatter.
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Just changed/added a pair a AT secondary injectors to my car last night. I don't have a log yet but after taking the car for a short spin (12:15 AM) I noticed that my AF reading was @ 11.5 per my AEM gauge on a couple of 1, 2 and 3 gear runs.
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Originally Posted by Kane
Are the scissors optional?

Looks good.
Never run with the scissors....
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Heads up to Snow Performance injection users:
The Snow plastic nozzle holders will burst under boost pressure.
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Gonna run a Mopar-style shaker scoop with that?
What you should do Moon is, do it up Mad Max style have the blower pulley on a clutch so you can have a big JC Whitney button on your shift ****,,, hell yeah that would be the ****....
Old 11-21-2008, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Moon Assad
That costs extra
Left handed scissors available for RHD??

It doesn't look that much higher than he normal pettit setup, looks like about an inch spacer is needed on the intake. People don't realise how low this motor actual sits. I showed my setup as SSX and someone thought it would need a scoop on the hood. Until I told them it all fits under the engine cover

Cheers,
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Originally Posted by Moon Assad
Well, lets just say it offsets the driver.
It won't offset me.
I could lose that much twice.
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That was the plan but theres no way it would fit. Im gona give it a week before I start mounting it, Try maybe a couple of different settups. The thing is it needs the output at that point to give you un restricted output. I see no reason that I cant locate the throttlebody as close to the intake as I can, and its big, I can stick my fist in it. The output is bigger also.
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poor, poor exhaust ports!?
I knew ole Moon had to try on the rene--i would like to see the eye ball scoop on the hood! I will bet that a cog drive will have to be fitted on that dang thing. It will sound like the ole cruising days in the 60's! will need a bigger fuel line--dont we have the 5/16th
MM because you will not peg the maf in 6th gear
Rote call snow they upgraded the nozzle holders to all metal -they are free for you
Juan you always beat me too it! Fuel pressure ok? at what duty cycle are we at with the flash?
stay tuned for some fuel system/pressure work--soon as i get my yukons on--they will be here next week.
Anyone tried BK syncroshift?
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Originally Posted by olddragger
MM because you will not peg the maf in 6th gear
I peg it in 6th easily. I can peg it in all gears.
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/\ you dirty peg


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