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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 93silverFD
A search on an e-manage forum turned up some information about having to call the support number that came with the kit and requesting a form to wave liability in order to get the password.

Not sure if thats true but its worth a try.
Thank you sir! I'll try to find out more info on that tomorrow.
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 10:21 PM
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in greddy's finite wisdom, im sure the password is the same for all the kits they ship for all cars...might be time to register on some 'enemy' boards and do a little recon
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by philodox
Crap. Now isn't that some crap... I wish they would have included that information along with the kit.. Oh well.. Jeff, looks like I may use your base map as a reference after all.
So do we have any HACKERS reading this thread? :D
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul
Hey Jon, It's omecron's birthday today, why not take him for a helo ride as a present. I'll pay the rental. :D :D :D
Hey, I was Airborn and AirAssault in the Army. I have no problems with any kinda flying machine. If you pick me up, I'm there baby! :D
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 10:33 PM
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Hey, I was Airborn (paratrooper) and AirAssault (helicopter rapelling) in the Army. I have no problems with any kinda flying machine. If you pick me up, I'm there baby! :D
Really, what unit were you in? I was in the 82nd Airborne.. to be specific, 1/505 Parachue Infantry Regiment, Scout Platoon. My MOS was 11B3VB4
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 10:37 PM
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I found this little blurb out there.... maybe it will help, but I doubt it:

no, as far as I know. greddy emailed a stock map for 96-2000 19t
kit and the hooked the stock e-manage to the laptop using the
support tool and then they loaded the map. Im not sure of this but I
was told that when you connect the e-manage to the support tool and
put any random number, the e-manage zeroizes itself and then you can
do whatever to it. it basically unlocks itself. <
> Like I said, im not 100% sure cause my tuner did it but that is
what he said he did.


Found it here.. but I'm sure it has already been checked out:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/...e/message/8738

We'll get it eventually...
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 10:40 PM
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Damn it Jon, there goes your good idea

Omicron, maybe you should move those last two posts to the lounge.
Maybe I'll let up on you in a couple of years. :D
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ranger4277
I found this little blurb out there.... maybe it will help, but I doubt it:

no, as far as I know. greddy emailed a stock map for 96-2000 19t
kit and the hooked the stock e-manage to the laptop using the
support tool and then they loaded the map. Im not sure of this but I
was told that when you connect the e-manage to the support tool and
put any random number, the e-manage zeroizes itself and then you can
do whatever to it. it basically unlocks itself. <
> Like I said, im not 100% sure cause my tuner did it but that is
what he said he did.


Found it here.. but I'm sure it has already been checked out:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/...e/message/8738

We'll get it eventually...
Jeff and I tried that already and it didn't work. I just sent an email to GReddy USA to ask about signing this waiver of liability so I can get the password. I am also going to call them tomorrow and inquire about it over the phone.

-Jon
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 11:45 PM
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That would be really great if you could tune it yourself, but if you intend to, BE SURE TO BUY A WBO2 GAUGE FIRST, and an EGT couldn't hurt either.

Congrats on the kit, hopefully you can get to Atco this spring and run 13s.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by philodox
Really, what unit were you in? I was in the 82nd Airborne.. to be specific, 1/505 Parachue Infantry Regiment, Scout Platoon. My MOS was 11B3VB4
Never had a chance to do anything with the classes, which I attended in 1980 and 1981. Tried to get into Ranger school (was headed for SF) and actually had a slot in '82, then lost it due to the military cutbacks of the time. Wound up becoming a Chemical Decontamination officer.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul
Damn it Jon, there goes your good idea

Omicron, maybe you should move those last two posts to the lounge.
Maybe I'll let up on you in a couple of years. :D
Yeah yeah... :D
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Kooldino
That would be really great if you could tune it yourself, but if you intend to, BE SURE TO BUY A WBO2 GAUGE FIRST, and an EGT couldn't hurt either.

Congrats on the kit, hopefully you can get to Atco this spring and run 13s.
13s are good. :p
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Mazdaspeedgirl
13s are good. :p
Hey, what's up, sugar? Forgot you had an 8 as well.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Kooldino
That would be really great if you could tune it yourself, but if you intend to, BE SURE TO BUY A WBO2 GAUGE FIRST, and an EGT couldn't hurt either.
Though I agree that you should have a WBO2S (I have the LM-1 installed in my RX-8), the factory WBO2S as read through the CAN bus is adequate for tuning (this is not the same as the narrow-band O2 sensor in other cars).

For tuning purposes, an EGT gauge is pretty useless.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 12:26 AM
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So is the EGT good for anything?
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Silverarrow
So is the EGT good for anything?
Yes.
Once you have tuned for maximum torque at the proper A/F, you can take an EGT reading.
That temperature will be the correct temperature for your particular motor and setup. (It has no correlation to anyone else's numbers, regardless of how high or low it is. For most rotary engines, it is not unusual to see EGTs as high as 1800°F. Even higher is possible. Don't forget, this is the temperature of the gas, not the metal.)

You can then look at that number under different conditions to determine if the engine is optimally tuned for maximum torque.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 12:32 AM
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Anyone notice that this thread has been viewed almost 46,000 times?
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Though I agree that you should have a WBO2S (I have the LM-1 installed in my RX-8), the factory WBO2S as read through the CAN bus is adequate for tuning (this is not the same as the narrow-band O2 sensor in other cars).
It comes with a WBO2??? Wow. It's a full wideband? 5v sensor??

I'm afraid to ask what the CAN bus is because I fear I'll hear "search, n00b".


For tuning purposes, an EGT gauge is pretty useless.
That's not true. I don't care how rich your A:F ratio is, if you're hitting 1500F, you may want to lay off the throttle and figure out why you're running so hot.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Yes.
For most rotary engines, it is not unusual to see EGTs as high as 1800°F. Even higher is possible. Don't forget, this is the temperature of the gas, not the metal.)
1800F? HOLY SH@#.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Kooldino
1800F? HOLY SH@#.
Like I said, EGTs (on their own) are useless.
My MX-3 was happy at 1600°F at the torque peak.
My Miata sits around 1100°F.
At some point I'll probably probe my RX-8, but I've seen EGTs reported by the ECU via CAN in the 1500°F range, so it has probably been higher.

If EGTs really were an indicator of doom for your engine, 1275°F would be the magic number as your rotor housings melted.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 01:19 AM
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Assuming it is 5 letters and from what I remember the password is case sensitive.
That leaves 52^5 possibilities. Assuming that the com port locks out for 1 second after 3 tries we end up with roughly ~2 years (since we normally find the correct code after trying 50% of the possiblities) to crack the code. We better get on it!

If 1000 people buy the kit then we could do some distributed form of brute force crack.

Find a way to prevent the com port from disabling and we are on a roll..
I'm doing a little more analysis: It take about 80 bytes per transaction to unlock the emanage communicate over a 9600 baud speed. This mean we can request 15 tries per seconds. I've have tried using my own written code and haven't experience the port shutdown from eManage yet after so many tries. So assuming no downtime with your 52^5 possiblity, it would take roughly 10.5 months to be exact Either we got the password or the eManage would be fried by then :D So my best bet would be open the EPROM and read the data/password from there.

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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Like I said, EGTs (on their own) are useless.
Not if you know the maximum safe EGT on a given motor. But regardless, there's no reason NOT to have an EGT on a boosted RX-8.

My MX-3 was happy at 1600°F at the torque peak.
My Miata sits around 1100°F.
1100 @ WOT and 90mph?

At some point I'll probably probe my RX-8, but I've seen EGTs reported by the ECU via CAN in the 1500°F range, so it has probably been higher.
Wow, the RX-8 has sensors galore from the factory...

If EGTs really were an indicator of doom for your engine, 1275°F would be the magic number as your rotor housings melted.
Why would your rotor housings melt at 1275°F ?
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 01:23 AM
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Anyone peel of the sticker and tell me the rotary switch setting that Greddy is using on the Turbo E-manage??
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 01:28 AM
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@ MazdaManiac - Have we met before? Did you have a black MX-3 with two blue(?) racing stripes? If so, we met at Import Wars in 03 (in PA)...and I've seen videos of your boosted MX-3.
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Old Jan 20, 2005 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by seikx8
I'm doing a little more analysis: It take about 80 bytes per transaction to unlock the emanage communicate over a 9600 baud speed. This mean we can request 15 tries per seconds. I've have tried using my own written code and haven't experience the port shutdown from eManage yet after so many tries. So assuming no downtime with your 52^5 possiblity, it would take roughly 10.5 months to be exact Either we got the password or the eManage would be fried by then :D So my best bet would be open the EPROM and read the data/password from there.
The problem is that the com port locks out after 3 tries. This sounds very easy
to hack though.
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