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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 02:57 PM
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........ Injector Dynamics 700cc injectors in the.....secondary.....
So Since we are talking about ID injectors, they have a 1000cc and a 2000cc.
I have been told I'm 400cc short of 300hp and i have upcapped Secondaries flowing 880cc's. If I swap in the 1000cc's that gets me 40cc shy of the desired fueling.

I'm guessing i need to swap in the ID2000 's in the future.

(remember I'm a Four Port kinda guy )

I wonder how the Elliot and Jeff are doing today. Hmmmm
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 04:41 PM
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Aux ports open first graph

And open vs closed

10 PSI, NO AI, Stock Block
Attached Thumbnails Another Top Mount Setup-auxportsopen.jpg   Another Top Mount Setup-auxportsopenclosed.jpg  
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Revvin7
Aux ports open first graph

And open vs closed

10 PSI, NO AI, Stock Block
DAAAAAAAAAAAM!

Stock Block...OMFG!
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 05:08 PM
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HOLY CRAP!

I can't believe my eyes!
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 05:28 PM
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 05:34 PM
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BAM! Do you have the boost and afr graphs?
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 06:08 PM
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/\ +1 Awesome numbers .

Corrected or uncorrected ?
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 07:19 PM
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Omfg!
Congrats guys, that's awesome!
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 08:28 PM
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Thanks guys. Sae corrected.

09factor is next, dave get some bigger injectors and let's do 15psi I want to see 350 ft lbs of torque . Now that would be quick..
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 08:38 PM
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wow big things! you guys just raised the bar dramatically! any videos?
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 08:57 PM
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wow 426 out of 10psi, holy ****

what are your egt's like?

when is full boost hitting?
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by FazdaRX_8
wow 426 out of 10psi, holy ****
Personally, I think the 360 HP dyno looks like more fun, but that is just my opinion.

Originally Posted by FazdaRX_8
what are your egt's like?
We didn't have any telemetry for the EGTs, but I suspect they were pretty low.
When we first started tuning, we had a pretty good misfire going on up top which would cause a pretty significant boost surge from the elevated EGTs. Once we got the fueling under control, that went away.

Originally Posted by FazdaRX_8
when is full boost hitting?
We loaded the dyno at 3000 RPM before starting the run. The turbo would start at 3 PSI or so at that point. It hits the full pressure at 4200 or so, but, as you can see, it is making pretty good torque by then.
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Personally, I think the 360 HP dyno looks like more fun, but that is just my opinion.
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I'm guessing you didn't want the lean spike from the ports opening ?


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac

We loaded the dyno at 3000 RPM before starting the run. The turbo would start at 3 PSI or so at that point. It hits the full pressure at 4200 or so, but, as you can see, it is making pretty good torque by then.
That is the really surprising thing (to me)- low down torque looks to be excellent .
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Brettus
I'm guessing you didn't want the lean spike from the ports opening ?




That is the really surprising thing (to me)- low down torque looks to be excellent .

Keeping the ports closed to 6700rpms~ish yields a lot more torque down low( just look at the graph). Having a functioning SSV would really make this powerband incredible.
All the kits from now on will have enough space to allow ECU operation of the SSV valve. I was under the impression that the SSV was basically useless on the turbo cars, so I didn't accommodate it for this build. I preferred the extra downpipe space as I originally didn't build this turbo & downpipe on this car.

Vidoes are coming! We are also re-upping our vendor status...
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Personally, I think the 360 HP dyno looks like more fun, but that is just my opinion.
was this "360hp" done Before the final run?

looking at the dyno thread brettus made your car's 307s still makes more power lower then the top mounts


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
We didn't have any telemetry for the EGTs, but I suspect they were pretty low.
When we first started tuning, we had a pretty good misfire going on up top which would cause a pretty significant boost surge from the elevated EGTs. Once we got the fueling under control, that went away.
thats neat, I would think with the smaller T3 flange that EGT and Pressure would be higher, I really don't know the size difference perhaps the t3 divided is only lightly smaller.
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Revvin7
Keeping the ports closed to 6700rpms~ish yields a lot more torque down low( just look at the graph). Having a functioning SSV would really make this powerband incredible.
All the kits from now on will have enough space to allow ECU operation of the SSV valve. I was under the impression that the SSV was basically useless on the turbo cars, so I didn't accommodate it for this build. I preferred the extra downpipe space as I originally didn't build this turbo & downpipe on this car.

Vidoes are coming! We are also re-upping our vendor status...
SSV or Aux ports ?
Yes , having fully functional aux ports will indeed give you an awesome powerband . Some tuners leave them open all the time to prevent a lean spike but that does leave some on the table down low .
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by FazdaRX_8
looking at the dyno thread brettus made your car's 307s still makes more power lower then the top mounts

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With the aux ports operating normally the curve will actually be above the 3071 all the way pretty much . That I find staggering for a large turbo .
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Brettus
With the aux ports operating normally the curve will actually be above the 3071 all the way pretty much . That I find staggering for a large turbo .
He meant AUX, not SSV.

The 30rxx still beats it in torque before 5000 RPM, but total power isn't as high.
Different animal.
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
The 30rxx still beats it in torque before 5000 RPM, but total power isn't as high.
Different animal.
Yes only by a whisker though . Are you surprised how good it is low down ?
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
He meant AUX, not SSV.

The 30rxx still beats it in torque before 5000 RPM, but total power isn't as high.
Different animal.
but its not about max power, its about how it feels


so am I incorrect about excessive pressure and heat on a smaller size exhaust housing and flange?
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 10:41 PM
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So, can we now agree that most were under estimating how much this motor can flow w/ the restricted exhaust ports. Nice Work fellas.

Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Personally, I think the 360 HP dyno looks like more fun, but that is just my opinion.
I can understand why you might think this for the street, but the later is the better.
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 10:44 PM
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w/ the restricted exhaust ports

I did't see a port on this block in the mod list, what are you referring to?
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Revvin7
Keeping the ports closed to 6700rpms~ish yields a lot more torque down low( just look at the graph). Having a functioning APV would really make this powerband incredible.
All the kits from now on will have enough space to allow ECU operation of the APV valve. I was under the impression that the APV was basically useless on the turbo cars, so I didn't accommodate it for this build. I preferred the extra downpipe space as I originally didn't build this turbo & downpipe on this car.

Vidoes are coming! We are also re-upping our vendor status...
So the SSV was permanently wired open for both dyno graphs obviously?

I'm still blown away that this was achieved with an un-modified motor...the results are just all the more respectable...
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 10:59 PM
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read again, one was tied open, yielded good top-end power
other run was tied close yielded higher low rpm power but top-end suffered

hence leave it closed till 5300rpms then open it = best turbo rx-8 dyno yet

but it sounds like how this kit was built, the AUX will no longer work with out a different down pipe
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FazdaRX_8
read again, one was tied open, yielded good top-end power
other run was tied close yielded higher low rpm power but top-end suffered

hence leave it closed till 5300rpms then open it = best turbo rx-8 dyno yet

but it sounds like how this kit was built, the AUX will no longer work with out a different down pipe
No, actually I understood it pretty clear the first time...the AUX ports are open on the first graph and closed on the second comparison graph, E mixed up AUX and SSV, nothing was mentioned about whether the SSV was open on both graphs but they obviously look like they are, I just wanted clarification. Right, the AUX port actuator won't work with the dp in the way, which is fine for my setup and I'm sure Jamaal will leave his open too with this setup...

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