Notices
Series I Major Horsepower Upgrades This is the place to discuss Super Chargers and Turbos, Nitrous, Porting, etc

9krpmrx8's Boost Build Thread

Old Jul 3, 2012 | 09:19 AM
  #2701  
9krpmrx8's Avatar
Thread Starter
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 33,788
Likes: 462
From: San Antonio, Texas
Right now my setup is working fine as far as coolant goes. I have to really push hard to get it above 200F and even in a stock RX-8 that is not hard to do this time of year.

My IAT's are a direct result of the fans pumping hot air onto the MAF. So as soon as I block off some air from hitting the MAF I am sure my IAT's will drop.
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2012 | 10:29 AM
  #2702  
9krpmrx8's Avatar
Thread Starter
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 33,788
Likes: 462
From: San Antonio, Texas
Oh, and I went over 130,000 miles this AM and my car is officially 8 years old
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2012 | 10:55 AM
  #2703  
hoss -05's Avatar
Lucky #33
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 2,851
Likes: 5
From: San Antonio, SARX Garage
I do not believe your IAT temp readings are very accurate. I think the fans blowing the hot air directing on the maf is giving you false readings.

It would be interesting to pull IAT's from next the the throttle body.
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2012 | 10:58 AM
  #2704  
Chris's Avatar
Turbo Member
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 2,496
Likes: 29
From: Tampa, FL
if the maf is getting super heated, so is the air around it. even if it drops beyond that section it will only be by a degree or so. You need a shroud to prevent the fans from blowing air onto the above intake pipes.
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2012 | 11:09 AM
  #2705  
9krpmrx8's Avatar
Thread Starter
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 33,788
Likes: 462
From: San Antonio, Texas
TX

Originally Posted by hoss -05
I do not believe your IAT temp readings are very accurate. I think the fans blowing the hot air directing on the maf is giving you false readings.

It would be interesting to pull IAT's from next the the throttle body.

They are accurate I am sure. As soon as the fans were fixed (it was the fan on that side that was dead) the IAT's shot up. The hot air from the fan under the MAF pipe is heating up the piping and the MAF, thus increasing the temps. The IAT's at the TB don't really matter much right now since the ECU is reading whatever temps the actual MAF is seeing and making adjustments based on that. If the ECU sees high IAT's it can cause all kinds of weird issues.

Last edited by 9krpmrx8; Jul 3, 2012 at 11:12 AM.
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2012 | 11:11 AM
  #2706  
houstonrx8er's Avatar
what was I thinking
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 2,408
Likes: 0
From: Converse, TX
^ we will fix that
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2012 | 11:13 AM
  #2707  
9krpmrx8's Avatar
Thread Starter
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 33,788
Likes: 462
From: San Antonio, Texas
TX

Originally Posted by Chris
if the maf is getting super heated, so is the air around it. even if it drops beyond that section it will only be by a degree or so. You need a shroud to prevent the fans from blowing air onto the above intake pipes.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by houstonrx8er
^ we will fix that
And we can use your fancy thermometer to verify.
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2012 | 01:38 PM
  #2708  
olddragger's Avatar
Registered
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 10,828
Likes: 40
From: macon, georgia
true. How high are you seeing?
I have thought at times to actually move the maf section of the pipe outside the engine bay,
but then I open up the throttle and all that cool air comes in, temps go down and the smile on my face gets bigger.
If it gets too hot--watch your a/f's--make sure they dont get lean.
The maf is after the intercooler--right?
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2012 | 01:46 PM
  #2709  
9krpmrx8's Avatar
Thread Starter
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 33,788
Likes: 462
From: San Antonio, Texas
No the MAF is pre turbo. I have thought about moving it outside of the engine bay, I just don't know about extending the MAF wires even more.

The highest IAT's I am seeing is 137F or so. But I still need to drop the temps of the actual pipes in the engine bay and I think that will take a combination of coating, wrapping, and shrouding the intake piping.
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2012 | 02:19 PM
  #2710  
Chris's Avatar
Turbo Member
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 2,496
Likes: 29
From: Tampa, FL
Originally Posted by olddragger
true. How high are you seeing?
I have thought at times to actually move the maf section of the pipe outside the engine bay,
but then I open up the throttle and all that cool air comes in, temps go down and the smile on my face gets bigger.
If it gets too hot--watch your a/f's--make sure they dont get lean.
The maf is after the intercooler--right?
moving the maf outside of the engine bay wont really be any better, the pipes post maf inside the engine bay will still get heat soak which will heat the air. Need to correct the issue at hand not bandage it
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2012 | 02:24 PM
  #2711  
9krpmrx8's Avatar
Thread Starter
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 33,788
Likes: 462
From: San Antonio, Texas
TX

Originally Posted by Chris
moving the maf outside of the engine bay wont really be any better, the pipes post maf inside the engine bay will still get heat soak which will heat the air. Need to correct the issue at hand not bandage it

Yep.
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2012 | 03:31 PM
  #2712  
Kane's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 6,364
Likes: 44
From: PCB
I'm back in the US fools!

Ok, what dates exactly do we want so I can put in for leave.
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2012 | 03:35 PM
  #2713  
9krpmrx8's Avatar
Thread Starter
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 33,788
Likes: 462
From: San Antonio, Texas
TX

Originally Posted by Kane
I'm back in the US fools!

Ok, what dates exactly do we want so I can put in for leave.

Sweet! Weekend of the 21st works for me but let me make sure everyone else is okay with that. I'll email you.
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2012 | 03:36 PM
  #2714  
Kane's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 6,364
Likes: 44
From: PCB
Ok cool, try to let me know by Friday.
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2012 | 03:37 PM
  #2715  
9krpmrx8's Avatar
Thread Starter
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 33,788
Likes: 462
From: San Antonio, Texas
Will do.
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2012 | 08:48 PM
  #2716  
olddragger's Avatar
Registered
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 10,828
Likes: 40
From: macon, georgia
The best place for the iat to be is post cooler--not pre turbo. But--you have to do what you have to do With a blow through system it does get tricky. Over my head really.
What I am thinking is his iat is getting heat soaked from the pipe--not the air within the pipe?.
Very true that hot radiator air from those hurricane Irene fans does need a shield though. Absolutely.
if the intake pipe is that hot then everything else is too.
Could some of the maf pipe heat be coming from the turbo? It is hot and they are connected....?
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2012 | 11:06 PM
  #2717  
9krpmrx8's Avatar
Thread Starter
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 33,788
Likes: 462
From: San Antonio, Texas
Nah it's connected to the cold side of the turbo and there is a lot of pipe length and a couple of couplers between the MAF housings and the turbo.
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2012 | 11:15 PM
  #2718  
Nemesis8's Avatar
Bigus Rotus
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 8,573
Likes: 1
From: Missouri
Originally Posted by Kane
I'm back in the US fools!
congrats man - now get that rum iced down and relax
Reply
Old Jul 4, 2012 | 03:28 AM
  #2719  
TeamRX8's Avatar
Registered
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 26,936
Likes: 2,140
Yeah, nobody ever picked up on the obvious ...

Reply
Old Jul 4, 2012 | 08:52 AM
  #2720  
olddragger's Avatar
Registered
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 10,828
Likes: 40
From: macon, georgia
I have seen a picture of that mailbox before and considered that design on my own car. I just didnt have the room. True a different 'box" could be done--but what I REALLY need to do is to move the iat post blower. Tuning can compensate for the air temp difference--but that is not the ideal.
I do wonder what type of insulation you have in it?
Reply
Old Jul 4, 2012 | 10:06 PM
  #2721  
9krpmrx8's Avatar
Thread Starter
SARX Legend
iTrader: (46)
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 33,788
Likes: 462
From: San Antonio, Texas
That is awesome Team. Any more pics of that bad boy?
Reply
Old Jul 4, 2012 | 10:14 PM
  #2722  
Brettus's Avatar
Boosted Kiwi
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 20,845
Likes: 1,799
From: Y-cat-o NZ
Originally Posted by olddragger
I have seen a picture of that mailbox before
He should put an address on it for all the hate mail
Reply
Old Jul 4, 2012 | 10:20 PM
  #2723  
houstonrx8er's Avatar
what was I thinking
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 2,408
Likes: 0
From: Converse, TX
just convert all your piping to double walled heater exhaust pipe (like hot water heater )
Reply
Old Jul 4, 2012 | 10:43 PM
  #2724  
shadycrew31's Avatar
WENTGERMAN
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 5,806
Likes: 31
From: Burbs,PA
I don't understand the point of all this.... By the time it hits the intake manifold its hot as ****, I suppose the colder air going in the better but is it really worth it?
Reply
Old Jul 4, 2012 | 11:02 PM
  #2725  
Brettus's Avatar
Boosted Kiwi
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 20,845
Likes: 1,799
From: Y-cat-o NZ
Probably not.
Time/money would be better spent in relocating the IAT sensor to pre throttle body IMO .
Reply

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:
You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:26 PM.