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2010 Turbo Build: a.k.a. "Project JETS3T 8"

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Old Dec 26, 2010 | 02:27 PM
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You going to have this beast at Seven Stock?
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Old Dec 26, 2010 | 03:43 PM
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I dont like it, The car is to blue....



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You going to have this beast at Seven Stock?
Sometime next September? It better be.
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Old Dec 26, 2010 | 07:03 PM
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errr- my bad---i hit the 3 instead of the 4.
auto rear ratio is 4.3. Didnt mean to get you all excited........
Still the S2 trans will give you more strength and a little taller gear. It with the 4.7 rear knocks about 3-400 rpm off the final drive ratio Compared to the S1. And you will love the closer ratios in 3-4-5th MUCH better.
I dont know if it can handle 500hp.
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Old Dec 26, 2010 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by olddragger
errr- my bad---i hit the 3 instead of the 4.
auto rear ratio is 4.3. Didnt mean to get you all excited........
Still the S2 trans will give you more strength and a little taller gear. It with the 4.7 rear knocks about 3-400 rpm off the final drive ratio Compared to the S1. And you will love the closer ratios in 3-4-5th MUCH better.
I dont know if it can handle 500hp.
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Ahhhh I see, no prob OD.
The S2 trans looks like a nice, affordable option. Gotta keep that in mind. Thx.
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Old Dec 26, 2010 | 09:03 PM
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Where is all the smoke coming from? Is it burning off something?

Looks mean Can't wait till it's tuned
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Old Dec 26, 2010 | 09:08 PM
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Where is all the smoke coming from? Is it burning off something?

Looks mean Can't wait till it's tuned
There's an O2 bung near the bottom of the DP that isn't plugged, plus who knows what v-bands I forgot to tighten.
Yeah, I can't wait either, been a looooong time already.
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Old Dec 31, 2010 | 03:37 PM
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car look mean *** hell....look like it has fangs with the front bumper on.
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Old Dec 31, 2010 | 03:40 PM
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w/ Bumper installed



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Old Dec 31, 2010 | 05:46 PM
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Hey m an, Sorry I havent sent you any pics yet. Been busy busy with Work.
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Old Dec 31, 2010 | 07:19 PM
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car look mean *** hell....look like it has fangs with the front bumper on.
I've got an idea in mind for those fangs...
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Old Dec 31, 2010 | 07:24 PM
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what ever u have in mind im sure its gonna be sweet....care to tell or is it a surprise?
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Old Dec 31, 2010 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by angeljoelv
Hey m an, Sorry I havent sent you any pics yet. Been busy busy with Work.
No sweat angel, it won't be anytime soon that I'd start on the conversion anyways. What's up with your 8? Anything new?
Anyways, Happy New Year bro!
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Old Jan 1, 2011 | 12:38 AM
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the car even sounds mean. haha
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Old Jan 1, 2011 | 09:17 PM
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I love the sound! any info on what the porting was?
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Old Jan 2, 2011 | 02:31 PM
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I love the sound! any info on what the porting was?
It does sound a little grumpy with the e-cutout open, the PCM was really trying to keep the motor at somewhat of an idle.

The intake porting on the primaries was your typical street port I guess, I tried to open the port as much as possible and then radiused the port pretty good.
I ported the aux ports rather large, as far as I could go and again radiused those as well, I'm not running the sleeves. I didn't touch the secondaries at all.

The exhaust ports were another story, I removed the exhaust inserts on the front and rear housings (port matched/radiused the exhaust manifold) and then ported as much as possible to where there almost wasn't a "cliff" or edge anymore, needless to say I ported into the water jacket. I filled the almost 1/2" wide hole with stainless wire and then filled with JB Weld, then I had my welder have at it to fill the rest with some high nickel content rod to seal it tight. I then ported down the excess weld and polished it. Quite a lengthy and involved process I must say.

Front Housing (Pre-Cleanup/Lapping):


Removed Exhaust Inserts:




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Old Jan 2, 2011 | 02:40 PM
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Has anyone run it with the exhaust inserts gone?

I thought that they were there to handle the heat??
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Old Jan 2, 2011 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dannobre
Has anyone run it with the exhaust inserts gone?

I thought that they were there to handle the heat??

Rx-7 engines have them, and you can run without them. It will be interesting to see what happens. I had no idea you weren't running the aux port sleeves...
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Old Jan 2, 2011 | 02:47 PM
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can you weld up the iron when you cut into the water jacket?
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Old Jan 2, 2011 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by pdxhak
can you weld up the iron when you cut into the water jacket?

I would be careful in the exhaust port

I can't see the JB weld working too well in the exhaust....works well in intake ports
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Old Jan 2, 2011 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by dannobre
I would be careful in the exhaust port

I can't see the JB weld working too well in the exhaust....works well in intake ports
I agree, but it's not technically in the exhaust port, it's in the actual water jacket where it's surrounded by coolant. The weld itself is what's exposed to the exhaust gases.

Btw - This is taken from SAE Paper 2004-01-1790 about the exhaust inserts:

4.2. Retaining Heat of the Exhaust Gas
In order to retain heat of the exhaust gas from the
combustion chamber to the catalyst, two measures were
taken: The exhaust port has a stainless thin-walled
insert (made of heat resisting stainless alloy) and the
exhaust manifold has two layers of air layer for heat
insulation and small volume thin-wall inner tube. This
allows for the retention of exhaust gas heat from
combustion chamber to the catalyst. Because of the
heat retention, gas temperature at a catalyst upstream
could increase about 140 degree C in the USA LA-4
mode drive, improving catalyst’s conversion capability.
Fig. 24 shows structure of the exhaust port insert and
exhaust manifold.
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Old Jan 2, 2011 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Revvin7
Rx-7 engines have them, and you can run without them. It will be interesting to see what happens. I had no idea you weren't running the aux port sleeves...
Yeah, the primaries and aux ports are open full-time, but the secondaries are closed until I tell them to open.
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Old Jan 2, 2011 | 03:11 PM
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Did you fill in the end of the AUX runner with JB weld to get the flow going in the right direction?

? If they are like RX-7 engines...they flowed better with the sleeves in them and ported than they did with them out.
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Old Jan 2, 2011 | 03:20 PM
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That's a big intake porting. Too big actually.

The risk of losing a seal in there is high and huge intake ports coupled with a turbo don't really like tiny exhaust ports.
I'm sure your car will produce a nice amount of power but i don't know what kind of curve you'll see.
It's still an amazing build though!
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Old Jan 2, 2011 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dannobre
Did you fill in the end of the AUX runner with JB weld to get the flow going in the right direction?

? If they are like RX-7 engines...they flowed better with the sleeves in them and ported than they did with them out.
No, but now that you mention it, doesn't sound like a bad idea to do.
I did port so far up that there's no overhang where the flow would be impeded, it obviously still has the wall at the end though, I'm not worried about it too much. It flows nicely into the chamber, to me at least.
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Old Jan 2, 2011 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bse50
That's a big intake porting. Too big actually.

The risk of losing a seal in there is high and huge intake ports coupled with a turbo don't really like tiny exhaust ports.
I'm sure your car will produce a nice amount of power but i don't know what kind of curve you'll see.
It's still an amazing build though!
Thx!
C'mon BSE, too big? nahhh. It's perfect for some nice top-end results.
None of the seals, or especially seal tips/edges come close enough to the port for me to be worried about. And yes, you're right, the exhaust port size is my main concern/issue. If this setup doesn't net me good results, I'll be going with a setup like Mazdatrix with the peripheral rotor housing + side port side housings and custom manifold...
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