Interest in US-made Burnout KD-IV kit?
12-29-2006, 11:04 PM
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It's photo time! Who's ready?
The front piece is done, fits perfect, so Ken will be able to ship those just as soon as people pay him some money. I'm having the sides and rears changed to add an upper flange so that double-sided tape can be used. This, as we found out, is critically important on the side-skirts, which on the original pieces, only mount from underneath with two brackets, or from either end. With Shine Auto's ability to make a flexible piece (with a ridgid upper edge) we decided to add the flange, improve stiffness where it mounts to the body, and allow the bottom to remain flexible (although it still could be attached to the lower body rail with simple brackets). On the rear pieces, they're adding an upper flange to each of those too, for double-sided tape, rather than be forced to drill two holes in the bumper cover. We thought we needed upper and lower edges, but it turned out that the lower edge wasn't necessary. This means another week or two of waiting while the molds are changed and we test the parts again.
HOWEVER, here are photos of the Shine Auto Project pieces on the car. Please forgive the packaging tape in the photos. Note that the Type II rear pieces fit perfectly flush against the rear lower valence (the tailpipe surrounds).
Pictures to follow...
The front piece is done, fits perfect, so Ken will be able to ship those just as soon as people pay him some money. I'm having the sides and rears changed to add an upper flange so that double-sided tape can be used. This, as we found out, is critically important on the side-skirts, which on the original pieces, only mount from underneath with two brackets, or from either end. With Shine Auto's ability to make a flexible piece (with a ridgid upper edge) we decided to add the flange, improve stiffness where it mounts to the body, and allow the bottom to remain flexible (although it still could be attached to the lower body rail with simple brackets). On the rear pieces, they're adding an upper flange to each of those too, for double-sided tape, rather than be forced to drill two holes in the bumper cover. We thought we needed upper and lower edges, but it turned out that the lower edge wasn't necessary. This means another week or two of waiting while the molds are changed and we test the parts again.
HOWEVER, here are photos of the Shine Auto Project pieces on the car. Please forgive the packaging tape in the photos. Note that the Type II rear pieces fit perfectly flush against the rear lower valence (the tailpipe surrounds).
Pictures to follow...
12-30-2006, 09:32 AM
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looks very good! i'm not exactly sure what flange you speak of though for the side skirts
i do have one question/suggestion though. on some kits like the INGS+1 and Vertex, the side skirt goes up into the door jam, where as this one ends just below it. would it be possible to extend these skirts up into the door? i guess this is done for a cleaner look (less lines).
i do have one question/suggestion though. on some kits like the INGS+1 and Vertex, the side skirt goes up into the door jam, where as this one ends just below it. would it be possible to extend these skirts up into the door? i guess this is done for a cleaner look (less lines).
12-30-2006, 06:55 PM
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It probably would be possible, but I don't think that they will. Perhaps they'll do the Ings or Vertex side skirts later, but honestly, between these side skirts and the Autobahn skirts we also test-fitted on my car, they'll soon be overloaded with sides.
That "flange" is where the upper edge of the side skirts meet the body. The Burnout pieces have no method for attachment at the upper edge, but again, they make a very rigid skirt, so perhaps they feel that's okay.
That "flange" is where the upper edge of the side skirts meet the body. The Burnout pieces have no method for attachment at the upper edge, but again, they make a very rigid skirt, so perhaps they feel that's okay.
12-31-2006, 12:34 PM
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They're pretty light. Comparable to rigid fiberglass pieces, only flexible where it counts. Shine Auto can make the pieces thicker (heavier) or thinner (lighter), but the pieces I held on Friday really felt like they were the same weight as the originals, or just slightly lighter because it wasn't necessary to make the fiberglass as thick (since it flexes).
Team RX8-think any racers would be interested in a full CF nose with the lower Burnout spoiler molded on to it? This is an idea of mine, although it's not really necessary because Shine Auto already as the AutoExe nose and the Autobahn nose (going into molding now). I just thought the original nose, replicated in flexible fiberglass or CF would be lighter than stock, even with the addition, simply because the bits of add-on black plastic could be molded right into the bumper. Could be grill, or no-grill. This is, I must admit, just a thought at this point... Again, if demand from SCCA racers suggested a market, Shine would take a look at it.
Team RX8-think any racers would be interested in a full CF nose with the lower Burnout spoiler molded on to it? This is an idea of mine, although it's not really necessary because Shine Auto already as the AutoExe nose and the Autobahn nose (going into molding now). I just thought the original nose, replicated in flexible fiberglass or CF would be lighter than stock, even with the addition, simply because the bits of add-on black plastic could be molded right into the bumper. Could be grill, or no-grill. This is, I must admit, just a thought at this point... Again, if demand from SCCA racers suggested a market, Shine would take a look at it.
12-31-2006, 12:38 PM
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TeamRX8-If SCCA allows the nose to be changed, I think the AutoExe Spec A nose would be the lightest and most aerodynamic (although speeds aren't such that aero plays a huge part). Just my thought...
12-31-2006, 02:33 PM
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If you do make the CF parts...are they carbon cloth woven into the flexible FG material......I think you will have a better than JDM product if you can do both...esp with the flanged parts for the tape. I have the funds sitting here waiting for it.........
Hopefully soon!
12-31-2006, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dannobre
If you do make the CF parts...are they carbon cloth woven into the flexible FG material......I think you will have a better than JDM product if you can do both...esp with the flanged parts for the tape. I have the funds sitting here waiting for it.........
Shine Auto will make CF parts for people interested, once they agree that the molds are perfect (or reasonably so). Shine Auto Project has a reputation they want to uphold concerning making excellent products. With the fiberglass and CF parts roughly weighing the same, I see (personal opinion here) little need for CF for a street/track car.
12-31-2006, 03:53 PM
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Bashing the Burnout kit through cones sideways would crack the hell out of it. The Shine Auto Project pieces won't break. I'll post some photos during the next fitting of just how far these parts will flex!
12-31-2006, 09:29 PM
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dannobre- Not to be rude, but do you think I'm stupid? Do you think Shine Auto is stupid too? Please re-read post #69 in this thread. It's on this page. The flexible resin is black. They have both white and black gel coat. As I said before, CF and flexible resin can be used together, but you won't see the CF. Period. At all. End of topic.
Flexible resin (black) and rigid resin (clear) can be used together to create single pieces with both properties, as in a nose where the mounting points must be firm. Leaving off the black gel coat would be decidedly unattractive.
BTW- I went down this road with Ken on the phone... It can't be done at this time. If someone on here is a chemist specializing in resins, feel free to contribute your expertise. Until that time, this "flexible CF" topic is dead. There's no significant weight savings vs fiberglass (perhaps a shade, because CF strands are stronger than fiberglass, so the material can be made thinner), it would look the same (black gel coat) but it would cost more, as CF weave is more expensive.
If you want them in CF, they'll be available, with the improvements in mounting we've made on all of the pieces. The front lip will mount from the top and sides. The sides will mount from the top and sides. The rears will mount along their upper edge and the wheel arch edge. They'll be beautiful CF pieces, in clear gel coat, made here in the US, not in China, Korea, or Taiwan. If they don't have it in stock, the wait time will be just a couple days, not several months. But don't expect the CF pieces to be cheap. Anyone who thinks that probably has isn't firing on all cylinders (technically none at all, since we're talking rotary power here).
If you are interested in CF pieces, send a PM to ShineAutoProject on this forum.
Flexible resin (black) and rigid resin (clear) can be used together to create single pieces with both properties, as in a nose where the mounting points must be firm. Leaving off the black gel coat would be decidedly unattractive.
BTW- I went down this road with Ken on the phone... It can't be done at this time. If someone on here is a chemist specializing in resins, feel free to contribute your expertise. Until that time, this "flexible CF" topic is dead. There's no significant weight savings vs fiberglass (perhaps a shade, because CF strands are stronger than fiberglass, so the material can be made thinner), it would look the same (black gel coat) but it would cost more, as CF weave is more expensive.
If you want them in CF, they'll be available, with the improvements in mounting we've made on all of the pieces. The front lip will mount from the top and sides. The sides will mount from the top and sides. The rears will mount along their upper edge and the wheel arch edge. They'll be beautiful CF pieces, in clear gel coat, made here in the US, not in China, Korea, or Taiwan. If they don't have it in stock, the wait time will be just a couple days, not several months. But don't expect the CF pieces to be cheap. Anyone who thinks that probably has isn't firing on all cylinders (technically none at all, since we're talking rotary power here).
If you are interested in CF pieces, send a PM to ShineAutoProject on this forum.