What are the reasons that Racing Beat is so respected?
02-11-2005, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Reactionary
Reading websites is not the same as examining each of their products and comparing them to the competition.
I do have to ask how one would know if a product was designed good even if they were holding it? Let's compare Racing Beat to others. Racing Beat uses thick wall mild stell for their exhausts. No it isn't stainless and no it isn't light. It is very durable and the welds are good. No they don't shine up all their stuff to make it all pretty but some of it they do. Their products were designed to do a certain job well and that they do. They don't necessarily look as pretty as some of the competition. Now lets look at company X. Their product appears to be stainless steel. It is all polished up and shiny. It weighs less and is cheaper. By looks alone it appears that this is a better product. However, what was the design history behind it. Say we are comparing 2 different exhaust companies. Racing Beat has a 2.5" pipe because it was found to be the best on the dyno while the prettier piece from company X is a 3" pipe. Logically it was built this way because 3" is mroe than 2.5" and can therefore flow more air. This would be an example of guessing and not testing. What if Racing Beat found that a 3" pipe actually was too big and you lost horsepower. Could you tell this by just looking at the differences? Nope. If you ask company X about it what do you think they'll say? It'll probably be something along the lines of "it flows more". Um, duh? That doesn't mean it needed it though. Racing Beat is a very honest and very well respected company. They have a reputation that goes back over 30 years now and a history for doing things right. I guess some upstart internet based company that welds pipes and flanges into exhaust systems by using other products as a visual template should garnish more respect and trust? But it's pretty! eBay is full of this trash. It is a very unfortunate fact that there are more untrustworthy companies out there than there are good ones. This is true by a long shot. There are only a few rotary shops and products that I am willing to endorse. The rest are crap. You'd probably be very surprised to know that many of the crap ones in my eyes are very well respected rotary performance companies. I won't name them but Racing Beat isn't on that list.
Please stop this thread now. It's going nowhere. This is like Jerry Springer. No matter what the response, you constantly look to discredit them or doubt them. ?Fine. Go ahead. That's your right but your questions have ALL been answered many many times over. Which part of them isn't clear yet?
02-11-2005, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by yanksfan1_67
I've tried to avoid posting on this subject because I think that it's worn out its usefulness, but I had an itch that I just had to scratch.
Reactionary....you come across as an intellectual, or as I perceive you.....more of a pseudo-intellectual trying to pose philosophical questions so that members of this forum can be impressed by your quest for critical analysis and information.
Is my perception correct?....I don't know because I don't claim to know you. You seem to have the perception that everyone has a vested interest in Racing Beat or is eager to jump on the bandwagon and kiss their ***.
It's really not that complicated or philosophical (i.e. if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around does it make any noise?)
I work in the healthcare industry (specifically the dialysis industry). We use 100's of products manufactured by different companies on our patients. Although our choice of products is based on different factors, I can tell you that we only use products that are safe and reliable and give us the outcome that we are expecting every time.
My point being that people support Racing Beat because they have used their products and are satisfied with the results. That would be like me asking a physician...why do you use brand A catheter over brand B catheter? They would turn around and say because I've gotten good results with catheter A. Does that mean that catheter A is necessarily better than catheter B......no, just that that particular physician has had good success with catheter A and is going to trust it when it comes to the life of his/her patient.
People make choices on products and then are either satisfied or not satisfied. You use the products that satisfy you and disregard the others.
Why do we have to make a "Consumer Reports detailed critical side by side indepth product analysis" every time we buy a modification part for our car? Not saying that you can't or shouldn't, but it always comes down to actually making a choice and seeing if you are going to be satisfied with that choice. If you are satisfied, you keep buying the product, if not you buy something else.
It's that simple.......no philosophy 101 needed here
Reactionary....you come across as an intellectual, or as I perceive you.....more of a pseudo-intellectual trying to pose philosophical questions so that members of this forum can be impressed by your quest for critical analysis and information.
Is my perception correct?....I don't know because I don't claim to know you. You seem to have the perception that everyone has a vested interest in Racing Beat or is eager to jump on the bandwagon and kiss their ***.
It's really not that complicated or philosophical (i.e. if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around does it make any noise?)
I work in the healthcare industry (specifically the dialysis industry). We use 100's of products manufactured by different companies on our patients. Although our choice of products is based on different factors, I can tell you that we only use products that are safe and reliable and give us the outcome that we are expecting every time.
My point being that people support Racing Beat because they have used their products and are satisfied with the results. That would be like me asking a physician...why do you use brand A catheter over brand B catheter? They would turn around and say because I've gotten good results with catheter A. Does that mean that catheter A is necessarily better than catheter B......no, just that that particular physician has had good success with catheter A and is going to trust it when it comes to the life of his/her patient.
People make choices on products and then are either satisfied or not satisfied. You use the products that satisfy you and disregard the others.
Why do we have to make a "Consumer Reports detailed critical side by side indepth product analysis" every time we buy a modification part for our car? Not saying that you can't or shouldn't, but it always comes down to actually making a choice and seeing if you are going to be satisfied with that choice. If you are satisfied, you keep buying the product, if not you buy something else.
It's that simple.......no philosophy 101 needed here
02-11-2005, 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
The first thing you should do is compare the company history to the competition. By sheer virtue of who's been around the longest and is most well known, you will get a very good idea of how good they are.
I do have to ask how one would know if a product was designed good even if they were holding it? Let's compare Racing Beat to others. Racing Beat uses thick wall mild stell for their exhausts. No it isn't stainless and no it isn't light. It is very durable and the welds are good. No they don't shine up all their stuff to make it all pretty but some of it they do. Their products were designed to do a certain job well and that they do. They don't necessarily look as pretty as some of the competition. Now lets look at company X. Their product appears to be stainless steel. It is all polished up and shiny. It weighs less and is cheaper. By looks alone it appears that this is a better product. However, what was the design history behind it. Say we are comparing 2 different exhaust companies. Racing Beat has a 2.5" pipe because it was found to be the best on the dyno while the prettier piece from company X is a 3" pipe. Logically it was built this way because 3" is mroe than 2.5" and can therefore flow more air. This would be an example of guessing and not testing. What if Racing Beat found that a 3" pipe actually was too big and you lost horsepower. Could you tell this by just looking at the differences? Nope. If you ask company X about it what do you think they'll say? It'll probably be something along the lines of "it flows more". Um, duh? That doesn't mean it needed it though. Racing Beat is a very honest and very well respected company. They have a reputation that goes back over 30 years now and a history for doing things right. I guess some upstart internet based company that welds pipes and flanges into exhaust systems by using other products as a visual template should garnish more respect and trust? But it's pretty! eBay is full of this trash. It is a very unfortunate fact that there are more untrustworthy companies out there than there are good ones. This is true by a long shot. There are only a few rotary shops and products that I am willing to endorse. The rest are crap. You'd probably be very surprised to know that many of the crap ones in my eyes are very well respected rotary performance companies. I won't name them but Racing Beat isn't on that list.
Please stop this thread now. It's going nowhere. This is like Jerry Springer. No matter what the response, you constantly look to discredit them or doubt them. ?Fine. Go ahead. That's your right but your questions have ALL been answered many many times over. Which part of them isn't clear yet?
I do have to ask how one would know if a product was designed good even if they were holding it? Let's compare Racing Beat to others. Racing Beat uses thick wall mild stell for their exhausts. No it isn't stainless and no it isn't light. It is very durable and the welds are good. No they don't shine up all their stuff to make it all pretty but some of it they do. Their products were designed to do a certain job well and that they do. They don't necessarily look as pretty as some of the competition. Now lets look at company X. Their product appears to be stainless steel. It is all polished up and shiny. It weighs less and is cheaper. By looks alone it appears that this is a better product. However, what was the design history behind it. Say we are comparing 2 different exhaust companies. Racing Beat has a 2.5" pipe because it was found to be the best on the dyno while the prettier piece from company X is a 3" pipe. Logically it was built this way because 3" is mroe than 2.5" and can therefore flow more air. This would be an example of guessing and not testing. What if Racing Beat found that a 3" pipe actually was too big and you lost horsepower. Could you tell this by just looking at the differences? Nope. If you ask company X about it what do you think they'll say? It'll probably be something along the lines of "it flows more". Um, duh? That doesn't mean it needed it though. Racing Beat is a very honest and very well respected company. They have a reputation that goes back over 30 years now and a history for doing things right. I guess some upstart internet based company that welds pipes and flanges into exhaust systems by using other products as a visual template should garnish more respect and trust? But it's pretty! eBay is full of this trash. It is a very unfortunate fact that there are more untrustworthy companies out there than there are good ones. This is true by a long shot. There are only a few rotary shops and products that I am willing to endorse. The rest are crap. You'd probably be very surprised to know that many of the crap ones in my eyes are very well respected rotary performance companies. I won't name them but Racing Beat isn't on that list.
Please stop this thread now. It's going nowhere. This is like Jerry Springer. No matter what the response, you constantly look to discredit them or doubt them. ?Fine. Go ahead. That's your right but your questions have ALL been answered many many times over. Which part of them isn't clear yet?
The question is so simple and reasonable, yet a ton of people feel the need to give their 2 cents and turn it into their own contentious personal cause or a battle of wits, totally railroading the real topic. The original comment or question I posed didn't require a deep philosophy of human behavior because it was so simple and sound. The many personal attacks I got here provided a window into some of the people and that's where the philosophical crap got its relevance. Lack of understanding of the true topic of this thread is one thing but turning that into misguided arguing that is on a personal level is...well, unacceptable. The personal attacks need to stop.
02-11-2005, 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Reactionary
The many personal attacks I got here provided a window into some of the people and that's where the philosophical crap got its relevance. Lack of understanding of the true topic of this thread is one thing but turning that into misguided arguing that is on a personal level is...well, unacceptable. The personal attacks need to stop.
I'm amazed this thread is still going on. Now you're bleating about being "attacked" even though you know why. You just like hearing the sound of your own voice. I'm not about to attack you. I haven't before, and I won't now. I will say this though for the sake of other forum members (you are going on my newly discovered ignore list) .....
Let the thread die.
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02-11-2005, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Gomez
Look, I keep stumbling over this thread when I do a new post search. I search for new posts 'cos I like to learn stuff. I have posted here in this thread and pointed out why you got grief. You agreed you understood why people hooked in. They, like me, thought you were attacking RB. They thought this 'cos you stuffed up and mis-titled the thread and then messed up in your original post.
I'm amazed this thread is still going on. Now you're bleating about being "attacked" even though you know why. You just like hearing the sound of your own voice. I'm not about to attack you. I haven't before, and I won't now. I will say this though for the sake of other forum members (you are going on my newly discovered ignore list) .....
SHUT THE HELL UP!
I'm amazed this thread is still going on. Now you're bleating about being "attacked" even though you know why. You just like hearing the sound of your own voice. I'm not about to attack you. I haven't before, and I won't now. I will say this though for the sake of other forum members (you are going on my newly discovered ignore list) .....
SHUT THE HELL UP!
02-11-2005, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Fanman
I think you are confused. Racing Beat is not to Mazda what AMG is to Mercedes or Saleen is to Ford. That is Mazdaspeed. That is the in house tuner for Mazda. If you look at their product line it is similar to RB's (exhaust, intake, bodykit, etc.). I'm not sure who/where you got that information in regards to their flywheel being questionable. The few people that I know that have it like the way it functions. I personally would have gotten it but I thought I was getting a good deal on another vendor's unit, but after having to buy the couterweight & hardware kit sepearatly it wound up costing me about the same. In having seen the flywheel, I'm not sure what you are talking about as from a visual perspective it seemed like a quality piece. I have the Racing Beat exhaust & I love it. From having seen & heard the Greddy & Borla units I liked the RB unit the best.
As some will remember, we had a nice go-around about RB products before and their publically made statements (which have since become very well done!). So I'm definitely not a bandwagon person, but I see products like their springs and I think that is something more inline with what I like. I'm not into dropped to the ground... just a mild change. To sum it up... I'm RB neutral.
That being said... Saleen and Ford are NOT the same as Mazdaspeed and Mazda. You would be thinking of Special Vehicles Team (SVT) or Ford Motorsport. To say more... Saleen builds and sells their supercar... the S7 in addition to a various products. They offer bodykits, suspenion, interior and all kinds of engine mods. From s/c the V6 engine to dropping in a 351 Windsor into the Mustang and bolting on a s/c they offer a full line of parts to complete cars sold at Ford dealers. Talk about power! The mags couldn't the get the rear end to hook up until like 4th gear in the 351 s/c car?!
The reason why I like Racing Beat products is because there isn't hype behind it's products. In hype I am saying they make outrageous claims behind their products that later turn around to be unsubstantiated. The support that you see for their products here is from people that have/use their products and because of their positive experiences recommend them to other RX8 drivers. That to me is not hype, it's good word of mouth. I have products from another vendor, & I would say they make very good products, but I also would say they have "hype" behind their products because they are claiming 40 hp from a few bolt on parts, that in my dyno & others on this board have proven to be false.
02-11-2005, 03:39 PM
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I don't know...my RB cat-back is pretty damned shiny and looks like stainless to me (and in fact their website claims that it is). I think its just the mufflers that are heavy...the connecting pipe was quite light.
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
The first thing you should do is compare the company history to the competition. By sheer virtue of who's been around the longest and is most well known, you will get a very good idea of how good they are.
I do have to ask how one would know if a product was designed good even if they were holding it? Let's compare Racing Beat to others. Racing Beat uses thick wall mild stell for their exhausts. No it isn't stainless and no it isn't light. It is very durable and the welds are good. No they don't shine up all their stuff to make it all pretty but some of it they do. ...
I do have to ask how one would know if a product was designed good even if they were holding it? Let's compare Racing Beat to others. Racing Beat uses thick wall mild stell for their exhausts. No it isn't stainless and no it isn't light. It is very durable and the welds are good. No they don't shine up all their stuff to make it all pretty but some of it they do. ...
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Gomez and Reactionary, stop the flame war. Agree to disagree. Your back-and-forths are cluttering the board because they aren't offering anything useful to the discussion (i.e. Why RB is respected) any more. It ends at #130 for good.
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02-11-2005, 05:59 PM
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I tend to trust RB because they don't try to bullsh*t anyone. Perhaps that's a big reason they are so respected.
Other than that, it seems folks are beating a patch of grass where long ago there used to be a horse.
Other than that, it seems folks are beating a patch of grass where long ago there used to be a horse.
02-11-2005, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by robertdot
Gomez and Reactionary, stop the flame war. Agree to disagree. Your back-and-forths are cluttering the board because they aren't offering anything useful to the discussion (i.e. Why RB is respected) any more. It ends at #130 for good.
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