Our position is legit and makes good common sense. This is why I rallied the troops grass roots style, because that is what you needed to see. Otherwise jack is done. And after all this, which puts the situation plainly in front of you, you decide to play reverse psychology? RX8 owners aren't going to tolerate that attitude.

You said it yourself. The US bumper sticks out more. This is info that most of us probably didn't even know and now makes your stubborn position even more unacceptable.

 

This is more like it but at the end, you go backwards again. Shouldn't a no-BS product be a finished product? It's got to LOOK finished and your tips are just about the crappiest among all the RX8 exhausts out there.

I think most people want 4" diameter tips that stick out exactly as far as Racing Beat's. Slanted cut (like RB's), straight cut- it doesn't matter. Sorry for being so adamant.

I don't think most people value show over go. I think most people value both. This is the same argument with dating. Guys go in actively searching for a thin, pretty girl with a great personality. Didn't you ever go into a dating situation saying "Aw schucks, she's got great character but she's overweight or ugly in the face!"? Or even worse, did a woman ever say that about you? Guys know personality alone ain't gonna cut it most of the time. That's why dating sucks for many people. On the other hand, how many guys will continue to date a pretty girl who has serious personality flaws? Just watch Blind Date and MTV Next and Elimidate. Jerry Seinfeld even had an episode on this.

 

It's not reverse psychology. It's a fact of life. I am giving you an opportunity to make this a constructive post by making a suggestion to me as for how you would like the tips to look. If we can reach a solution that satisfy the bling bling crowd and the performance crowd then we will. If we can’t reach a compromise, then we will likely sell the exhaust systems we have as is and how those sell clearly has an impact on how we peruse the RX8 market in the future. There are only so many resources to go around…

 

Ok. 4" tips extending out exactly like Racing Beat's. Slanted or straight cut, doesn't matter.

 

Then I suggest you remove the equivalent weight. Do one of the following:

1. wear one shoe
2. don't wear belt
3. remove change in your pocket
4. don't wear a jacket
5. remove one floormat
6. shave your head

That's the kind of weight you're talking about.

 

Ok lets try to make this a constructive thread. As we all want to see more aftermarket parts for the car. I agree that if you are performance oriented then the bling factor does not really matter. I personally think if the tips of the exhaust were similair to the stock exhaust but 1/2" to 1" bigger. We do welcome all parts for the 8 and there are lots of people who will say things reguardless of what you make. As of right now your exhaust is great but if you were to make it both performance and "show" oriented you would just have a larger market of buyers. I currently have the greddy and mainly bought it because the tips fil the holes in the bumper and I like the look of it. But I can always change if something better comes along.

 

Nathan man, your jproduct definitely has my attention. I currently have the Borla (already on the car when I bought it). Can't complain; sounds nice and looks good. As far as performance goes; don't really feel any.

Now your exhaust setup looks good from a performance standpoint. To tell you the truth I haven't seen your setup in person, just pics. But I've read about the gains from your product posted on this board. No one hear can argue ... your system is the best out right now for the 8. As far as the tips go, think of the redesign everyone is "inquireing" about as picking up the change. People want bling, SELL it to them. Dats MONEY IN YOUR POCKET.

Truth be known though, most RX-8 owners want more REALIBLE POWER. Especially after Car and Driver just ran a 14 flat in the 1/4 with the MS6 stock.

 

If I could afford one right now I would definatly pick one up, I wouldn't care what tips are on it. I have only seen it in photo's but it looks fine to me.

 

The low sales vs. the high number of views probably isn't because of the tips, which I don't see a problem with to begin with. The real problem is, most of the people who are really hungry for performance gains have already purchased their exhaust a good while ago. They aren't looking forward to spending another few hundred bucks and then selling the old exhaust. If this had come out a year and a half ago when Greddy, RB, and Borla released their exhausts, you probably would have nearly cornered the market.

How many exhausts would you have to rework? I wouldn't bother modifying a bunch of existing ones, but maybe you could sell the existing stock in australia and then start building a slightly different US version?

Or, people could just go to their local muffler shop. :D Which is easier--welding on a couple of tips, or trying to rework a bling exhaust to have TurboXS levels of power?

 

keep in mind also that we are just on the horizon of making real power. up until now, there was no real way of tunning the 8 in the US to make full use of modifications suck as this. this impacted the FI market greatly too. but now its a different story. with more and more FI options comming, the 8 will be recognized as a tuner car.

as i see it. if you go FI, your exhaust is the only way to go.

denward

 

i agree with the tips issue. if the exhaust could not be seen it would not matter. i think that the problem is depth.... increase the length of the tips and pattern them after , after borla, rb, corksport, greedy, hks, bb, and any other that are out there. or morf those into something you like..

also more important would to move the connect from back pipe to muffler and tuck up the exhaust some.... is the fact that it is so low a right hand drive vs left thing?????

now when you make you ems it can be butt ugggggggllly.

beers

 

i have the turboxs exhaust i love it the pipe is badass and i like the tips more sleeper look. the sound is loud but very deep for a rotary as performance goes i feel a good power dif going to dyno next week but can tell u how it feels like. first thing i dont have to down shift anymore on the freeway to pass and it has nice power from 5500 all the way to 9700 where limiter kicks in. so i givve this exhaust a 10 out of 10 getting feed header here in a few weeks cant wait to see how it feels with even more flow

 

yes turboxs u must make more parts for r car u guys know what u guys r doing. i love your parts i ill buy more of them as u release them. as far as the tips i love them im a guy that doesnt want a cop to see my tips from mile away funtion over looks anyday please keep up the good work

 

Anyone have just the catback system? I read that it has a 13 HP gain but there is no increase in torque, how would this change the performance in everyday driving?? Thanks.

 

i thougtht the midpipe is where the power was? but anywho oh and i must restate

FUNCTION OVER FORM

 

I would buy this system in a heartbeat if it had slightly larger and extruding tips. I err more towards the performance side of mods. I am very impressed by the gains that TurboXS has achieved. If your able to get a decent looking tips to go with this awesome system you would so have this market cornered.

 

Well I thought I'd chime in after reading this thread.

Manufacturers of Exhausts for cars these days definately need to start realizing that yes... Exhaust is becoming all about the Bling Bling, and less about the performance gains. Fortunately, and unfortunately... stock exhausts have become sooooo efficient its hard to squeeze any extra power from them. They are quiet, efficient, and subtle. So really, people nowadays really get exhausts to SOUND mean, and LOOK mean. Any performance gains or whatnot are very very neglible and other factors such as looks and sound make much more of an impression.

What really gets me going are those people who are soooo concerned about weight savings. Really now... if you were so concerned, maybe you shouldn't have gotten those heated seats, moonroof, leatherseats, and other heavy options. Heck, just cleaning out your car will net you a few pounds or so.

Realistically, I can't see myself dropping $600 or so dollars for a "performance" exhaust for the RX-8. That money is MUCH better spent as part of FI. I don't know. Perhaps i'm just not that fanatical about squeezing every last drop of HP out of the engine as some of you guys.... thus i've opted for the RB exhaust as it has the aesthetic appeal that i want... plus the subtle exhaust note that i like.

 

How'd you get a 9700 rpm fuel cut limiter?

 

this thread shows all that is wrong with this forum

 

dont know it just dont cut till 9700

 

more likely your tach is off

 

Anyone care to decribe the sound of this exhaust with a turbo installed? Is it close to being as loud as the NA application?

 

Hey Maddog, Adrian posted some vids in the Mazsport section. Check them out. As far as I can tell, it sounds similar to what my RB exhaust and RP supercat sounded like before the turbo. Not horribly loud, but fairly aggressive. I'll be receiving this exhaust in a short while, so I'll confirm the sound soon.

 

Definitely not as loud as NA. The turbo quiets it down considerably.

 

Anyone that is NA care to post a better vid of the exhaust? I'm very picky about sound but I'm also a student so I dont have money to waste. PM me and and tell you what I'd like a vid of...