wushunut

For those of you with the TurboXS exhaust.

It's been awhile now. Any further comments? Feedback? Would love to hear a review. I'm seriously considering picking one up since they're local.

Thanks!

Sportura_Collection

I'm just disappointed that every company has a compromise. I think Racing Beat's tips look the best and have the best looking extension but the exhaust weighs too much. BB has that single pipe into the muffler compromise. GReddy is all rice and tips are too big. From all the reviews, really seems like TurboXS would have been the best BUT now we find that it goes a bit low to the ground (not a huge deal for me) and the tips are borderline small (bigger deal for me) and the tips do not extend out far enough (biggest deal for me). People have mentioned this to that TurboXS guy and he seems to just rationalize it away. Instead of doing crap like that, why not just redo the tips? Hell, you could even copy the RB tips. Why would it be a cost issue or a hassle not worth doing? Does TurboXS truly understand that they could easily offer the FIRST NO COMPROMISE fricking exhaust for RX8 owners? Do they understand what the payoff could be?

TurboXS needs to understand that when there are not huge differences among products, that cosmetics and the appearance of the tips can be the deciding factor for most people who are not die-hard performance enthusiasts. In addition, TurboXS needs to understand that the appearance and extension of the tips on their exhaust is pretty terrible looking. That's the easiest part to do right and it's completely non-technical and non-engineering related.

wushunut

Any TurboXS exhaust owners want to chime in. I'm not too concerned with appearance. The way the tips look isn't a big deal to me. I'm more concerned with performance and sound (in my case..I can tolerate louder than stock, but not too loud).

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Sportura_Collection

But have you seen how bad looking their tips are? They look pretty bad. Several people have mentioned this. I think it's a huge factor for most people and any smart company would be concerned about what the majority (most people) are concerned about. They didn't seem to care.

Do they realize how willing people who have already bought an aftermarket exhaust are to change it again? They could own the market for the next year as if the market had just started. They get the engineering, the difficult part, right but they get the easy part wrong. That's a bonehead, short-sighted, arrogant miscalculation. Reminds me of Racing Beat's bonehead and arrogant/complacent decision to increase the weight versus stock exhaust.

kwescott

you may want to pm Toca...you'll find him in the San Bernardino thread in the Western Region.

He just had it installed along with a midpipe and intake. I think he even has before and after dynos.

I would agree with the issues brought up earlier by sportora....the exhaust sits REALLY low. I followed him on a cruise and just kept wondering why they ran the pipes that way. The tips are small, just a tad bit bigger than stock, and they are set way in...significantly more in than stock.

Sound was nice...but it got really louud with the midpipe....I mean, really loud.

Digital_Damage

Ok, I'm getting really tired of all this "the tips need to be extended, it is usless with out huge tips sticking out".

The answer is simple, because some people like the way they are. If I can save 2-3 lbs without having ghetto tips then why add a few pounds of useless weight?

If you are all about the tips walmart sells a few enlarged ones, go waste money there.

Sportura_Collection

Ridiculous. Did you buy the RX8 at least partly because you liked the way it looks? Did you not buy other cars at least partly because of the way they look? Was looks one of the key factors? Was looks not a factor for even a single RX8 owner? I rest my case.

Digital_Damage

You rest your case? So you are going to walmart, so you can leave the performance parts to the rest of us?

kwescott

back to the subject at hand.

Digital_Damage

It is a great performer, the size is true all the way through. The only substantial draw back from a legal point is the sound, but the package does include silencers. I think it is the best exhaust on the market right now.

kwescott

It definately has large piping throughout. I'll pm Toca to see if he has the dyno results...maybe he can post them here.

Sportura_Collection

I shop at Walmart all the time. I'll tell you, RX8 owners are more discerning than most car owners and are long tired of BS, whether it's the HP and mileage from Mazda or uncertainty of how long the damn engine will last without compression going to hell (a relatively recent concern). We took a calculated risk on an engine that people don't know a lot about but we did our calculations/homework before making the purchase; otherwise, we would not have bought the damn car. We're extra meticulous with researching everything (significantly more than the average piston-car buyer) and checking up and verifying statements and we get pissed when we reveal BS.

TurboXS seems to have passed the the BS test, the most important. But they seem to be unaware that many RX8 owners are by necessity super discerning, obsessive compulsive, and meticulous in their attention to detail. And those tips look like an unfinished project.

Let's look at Racing Beat just for comparison. RB was dominating the exhaust market based on their god-like reputation and unquestionable word and printed statements. People were buying the damn RB exhaust because the tips look damn good and RB made statements about the limits of HP gain from an exhaust and other companies' dishonesty even though their damn exhaust weighs more than stock. Now with TurboXS's recent research, we find that RB may have spruced up those comments like professional marketing would assume (yet so many RB fans deny) in a misleading, manipulative (YES they did, absolutely), and purposefully dishonest way. Now combine RB's heavier weight with a newly-found dishonesty/manipulation and let's see what it does to their exhaust sales. I don't care what RB's reputation is, you think RX8 owners are going to let yet another instance of BS pass through?

Do the engineering right (TurboXS has), make honest statements (TurboXS has), and make it look good (TurboXS hasn't) and everyone will go to them, especially at this time when an unmistakable and dishonest ***** (not meant toward our asian friends) has been found in RB's armor. I'm making a plea for doing business and doing it the right way. I'm trying to rally the troops here and get these damn dumbed down businesses run by dummies who happen to be dishonest by nature to help benefit themselves by doing business the right way. I'm trying to make a compelling argument for once that to listen to the RX8 owners, at least in this case, would make smart business sense. And I assure you I and other RX8 owners will not buy a dishonestly marketed RB exhaust from this point on and will be extra cautious with all aspects of RB from now on.

TurboXS now has a huge opening. Why compromise that? Doesn't make business sense.

Sportura_Collection

Exactly right. So why compromise that? That's been my whole point all along.

slalom29

I kind of understand what you mean about the compromises. I had the BB midpipe and catback first, but it was just to loud. I switched to the racing beat catback with the bb midpipe, which sounds looks and performs great, but is very heavy.
Unfortunatley I recently somehow blew a hole in my BB midpipe, so I'm using it as an excuse to get a new full exhaust. The turbo xs exhaust sounds like a great option, except im used to the bigger tips that I have on the racing beat. I was thinking about getting the racing beat race exhaust, since it I'm more worried about performance than looks, but it doesnt fit with the turbo xs 3" midpipe. I will probably end up waiting for the agency power exhaust since is solves all the problems, and is not so expensive. But if The turbo xs is still a very good option from what iv'e seen about its performance gains.

RX4life

agency power all the way...

RB exhaust is for pussies..

Digital_Damage

BECAUSE IT ADDS WEIGHT! It would not be taking a step forward it would be a step back...

BaronVonBigmeat

Is getting a muffler shop to put on different tips really that big of a deal?

It would be better if they came from the factory with good tips though. I have a wacky idea for them--silver color ceramic coated tips. (I've seen replica Cobra pipes done this way and it's very sharp, like almost chrome, but more like...satin chrome.) RB tips look good, but don't they oxidize pretty fast too?

Moostafa29

Yes. Although this is obviously the best performing exhaust, especially for us with turbo's, why would I want to go to an exhaust that looks worse than stock? I want my performance, but at the same time, if you have highly modified the looks of your 8, why short change yourself with an exhaust that you can barely see. I'd like to change the tips if I do end up getting this system, but I think it should have been like that to begin with.

turboxs_nathan

The exhaust fits differently with the Australian/JDM rear bumper which doesn’t quite stick out as far as the US bumper. See the attached picture for more information. We designed this exhaust in Australia on our RX8. The US bumper is slightly different. So what do you guys want the tips to look like? It’s such a simple change that I have a hard time believing that this is going to be the main issue in the RX8 world. Actually it’s a little discouraging to a performance minded shop like ours. It appears that no one really cares about performance, only about bling bling. It honestly has us reconsidering how much further we wish to push RX8 development since we typically don’t do things for Bling Bling sake, we do them for how well they work. Our turbo RX8 should be up and running sometime this month, but we are strongly considering not going into production as it seems most RX8 owners care very little about HP.

Discouraged…

-Nathan

Former A4'er

You get discouraged very easily if your upset by this one thread, maybe you have been hearing it elsewhere though.

On the other hand I think that there is definetly a market for your exhaust. Personally I prefer function to form.

turboxs_nathan

Actually, it's not just this thread; it’s the conversations we've had with several vendors in this market who have shared similar feelings.

So you guys want new tips? What do you want? At least let’s make this constructive. I can re-weld the tips pretty easily or we can move on to pour resources into other projects. While we like making power where no one else has we are a for-profit company and there is only so much manpower to go around. So if there is a market for our products, how do we make them sellable to the vast majority of RX8 owners who value show over go?

Look at our other thread… the amount of views on it is insane compare to the actual sales volumes of the exhaust system. We try to offer a no-BS product with a no-BS attitude and it clearly isn’t working.

kwescott

I would suggest looking at all the other exhausts that are out and take something from their design with regards to tips. You make that the same, then your proved power will be the issue, and not the tips. Get on it.

Moonrover333

i would love the exhaust and honestly think it looks great but sadly we have a buttload of crying people who just care about looks. IMHO i think they should just stick to the looks sections of the forum and stay out of the oerformance area and quit gripping if they want looks buy another zaust if they want power and weight savings than buy this. and if you want both buy this one and put your own damn tips on and don;t forget to get a set of curb feelers...

kwescott

so who on this thread actually owns this exhaust?

QBallz

I'm sorry to hear that Nathan I'm sad to hear that the people are so hungup on the "bling bling" factor. I personally like the way your tips look and hate the 4" one's that stick out. My only problem is my wife spends all of my money

I'm really hoping to purchase the RX8 version of the UTEC though!