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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by brillo
Fastsvtss,

would we use a computer program to dial in the maps and other settings we wish to change on the ECU, then upload those settings from our computer to the handheld unit, then flash the stock ECU?

Is that process correct?
Sounds too expensive.


Make two units, when that is cheaper and non-programmable, because the last thing I want it to pay extra $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ just so I can tinker with something I know nothing about.

Please make a cheap one that just allows me to flash your preprogrammed flash and more importantly flash back to normal if neccessary.
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by cleoent
Sounds too expensive.


Make two units, when that is cheaper and non-programmable, because the last thing I want it to pay extra $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ just so I can tinker with something I know nothing about.

Please make a cheap one that just allows me to flash your preprogrammed flash and more importantly flash back to normal if neccessary.
Not critical of your want, but just can't grasp why would you pay $300, or $400, or whatever for a tool that lets you install just one single change, then throw the tool away basically.

When alternatively, for some small additional sum, $100, or $200, or whatever you could have a tool that allows you to do that (buy preloaded tunes) plus any number of additional flashes to any additional items in the ECU, for evermore on into the future to tune the car as you like it?

Even if you know nuthin now, you could soak up some knowledge along the way... I mean learning is fun, isn't it? I always want to know more.
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Spin9k
Not critical of your want, but just can't grasp why would you pay $300, or $400, or whatever for a tool that lets you install just one single change, then throw the tool away basically.

When alternatively, for some small additional sum, $100, or $200, or whatever you could have a tool that allows you to do that (buy preloaded tunes) plus any number of additional flashes to any additional items in the ECU, for evermore on into the future to tune the car as you like it?

Even if you know nuthin now, you could soak up some knowledge along the way... I mean learning is fun, isn't it? I always want to know more.

just something like this:

https://www.rx8club.com/general-automotive-49/making-horsepower-easy-way-20hp-5-minutes-78953/

Twood be just about PERFECT.
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Spin9k
Not critical of your want, but just can't grasp why would you pay $300, or $400, or whatever for a tool that lets you install just one single change, then throw the tool away basically.

When alternatively, for some small additional sum, $100, or $200, or whatever you could have a tool that allows you to do that (buy preloaded tunes) plus any number of additional flashes to any additional items in the ECU, for evermore on into the future to tune the car as you like it?

Even if you know nuthin now, you could soak up some knowledge along the way... I mean learning is fun, isn't it? I always want to know more.
You dont throw it away. Have you never had a car that used a flash before?
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
well the tune should be basically done by the vendor then just tweaked for you. 2-3 times at most. thats if there is the option of tunign yourself. there might be a package difference- straight flashable tune x dollars , software allowing you to make your own maps x more dollars

at least thats how'd id do it.
it wouldnt be different units- just different packages like i said above.

for price a you get the flash tuner with a map or 2 included. with pckage b at extra cost youd still get teh oen unit but also software to allow you to make your own map. package c would be for a vendor- lots of units to load your own map into( and the software to make that map) to include in your FI kit
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 11:45 AM
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Yes, but as engine speed increase by the same 20-25%, fuel economy remain almost identical. You guys should think before making such statement of improved fuel economy.

Fabrice
Since when is 150 RPM 25% of 850 RPM?
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 12:35 PM
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its 18% i think
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 12:38 PM
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or thereabouts like 17.6
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 12:38 PM
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 12:39 PM
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 12:55 PM
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Even if you know nuthin now, you could soak up some knowledge along the way... I mean learning is fun, isn't it? I always want to know more.
True, I love to learn...but not on a 25K car...lol, I guess you could always go back to factory mode. Is there a car tuning for dummies?

lol
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 01:06 PM
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More than likely it will be like ZOOM44 stated. There should be different "stages" (pretuned & user adjustable).
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 01:13 PM
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rx8wannahave
True, I love to learn...but not on a 25K car...lol, I guess you could always go back to factory mode. Is there a car tuning for dummies?

lol

a man who knows his limitations is a wise man indeed, tuneable has it's inherent risks
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Old Jan 11, 2006 | 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Since when is 150 RPM 25% of 850 RPM?
My RX8 idles at 800 rpm. Verified on my sCANalyser. It is, probably, a Ford corporate idle speed. It was 860 rpm when I was at Ford.
And an increase of 200 rpm over 800 rpm represents a 25% increase.

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Old Jan 11, 2006 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Rasputin
My RX8 idles at 800 rpm. Verified on my sCANalyser. It is, probably, a Ford corporate idle speed. It was 860 rpm when I was at Ford.
And an increase of 200 rpm over 800 rpm represents a 25% increase.

Fabrice
Nice number-fudge.

As I stated, my idle is 850 and increasing it to 1k uses less fuel because it runs leaner (and smoother) there.
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Old Jan 13, 2006 | 09:53 AM
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so did the test vehicles show up?
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Old Jan 13, 2006 | 01:59 PM
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One showed up but the second did not. The one that showed up worked out awesome (very nice guy). We were able to do our testing for about 4-6 hours (not sure, it was a pretty hectic day...lots of other stuff going on at the same time). We learned more than we expected and we're feeling confident that this project can actually become a reality. It may be another week until we're ready for further testing.
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Old Jan 13, 2006 | 02:10 PM
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Very good to hear. Keep up the good work!!!
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Old Jan 13, 2006 | 02:21 PM
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Righteous indeed - I wonder what "more than we expected" means?
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Old Jan 13, 2006 | 03:28 PM
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Encouraging, thanks for posting fastsvtss, good luck!
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Old Jan 13, 2006 | 07:29 PM
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I did not here back from you to bring my car down. I am available from Monday to Thursday next week. Let me know if you need my car. It is a showroom stock car with 31k miles on it.

John
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Old Jan 13, 2006 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Nemesis8
Righteous indeed - I wonder what "more than we expected" means?
Me too. Right now anything would just be speculation, but I figure one of two things... easily able to read/modify more parameters than expected -OR- there looks like there's something to open up some better performance (not necessarily hp).

Looking forward to future developments!
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Old Jan 14, 2006 | 10:53 PM
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i would also like a device that would allow me to lazily re-program my ecu. push a button and BAM! more power!

i DO know my limitations and tuning ecu's is not in my range!

$400-500 would be great for something of this nature!

keep up the good work!!!!!
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Old Jan 20, 2006 | 01:46 PM
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fastsvtss: It's been a week....anything new? 5 days without a post gets a little scary around here.
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