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03-12-2008, 11:58 PM
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03-13-2008, 12:09 AM
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Of course, my opinion on what a "nice" flywheel/clutch combo is may seem biased. The truth is, the reason I now offer the one I do is because I believe it to be one of the finest units built and that's why I offer it.
One key thing to keep in mind is that flywheels actually deal with time and not power or torque. Another key is that flywheels are for people and not engines. These might seem like cryptic statements but they are not. Think about it a bit and get back to me.
One key thing to keep in mind is that flywheels actually deal with time and not power or torque. Another key is that flywheels are for people and not engines. These might seem like cryptic statements but they are not. Think about it a bit and get back to me.
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03-13-2008, 12:24 AM
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I would have to check to see what BHR has to offer now.
I got my Centerforce clutch from the vendor they recomended.
The fly well lets just say I saved 200 bucks and got one with only 2k on it.
I would have to check to see what BHR has to offer now.
I got my Centerforce clutch from the vendor they recomended.
The fly well lets just say I saved 200 bucks and got one with only 2k on it.
03-13-2008, 11:02 AM
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^ Yeah you did. 
that bad boy looked new huh?
I personally would go with the ACT stage 1 and the ACT pro lite. its a great steet setup. not to agressive but makes your car more "sporty". for a NA car there is no reason to go with a stronger clutch then the stage one. it would just be a pain to drive and no real benefit.
that bad boy looked new huh?I personally would go with the ACT stage 1 and the ACT pro lite. its a great steet setup. not to agressive but makes your car more "sporty". for a NA car there is no reason to go with a stronger clutch then the stage one. it would just be a pain to drive and no real benefit.
03-13-2008, 11:18 AM
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1) Did you do the install by yourself and were there any curve ***** you didn't think about?
2) How long did the entire process take you minus the misshap with the 2 1/8" nut?
3) If you had to do it over, what would you do differently to make the install go easier if doing it by yourself?
4) Outside of the cost of the Flywheel, was there any additional expenses you didn't think of at first? (minus the Impact, LOL) Such as; bolts, grease etc. Not really sure what they'd be because I've never done this before. Don't worry though I'm very mechanically inclined. I can handle this install. I'm not sure what to expect and I want to do it right with no major malfunctions.
Thank you and I appreciate your answers and any bit of advise as well. Thanks
2) How long did the entire process take you minus the misshap with the 2 1/8" nut?
3) If you had to do it over, what would you do differently to make the install go easier if doing it by yourself?
4) Outside of the cost of the Flywheel, was there any additional expenses you didn't think of at first? (minus the Impact, LOL) Such as; bolts, grease etc. Not really sure what they'd be because I've never done this before. Don't worry though I'm very mechanically inclined. I can handle this install. I'm not sure what to expect and I want to do it right with no major malfunctions.
Thank you and I appreciate your answers and any bit of advise as well. Thanks
1) I did it with my friends. The curve ball was underestimating how much the tranny weighted. I would have attached it better to the jack if I had known that it would have been that cumbersome
2) 8 hours the first time
3) Use impact tools and buy the flywheel stopper from mazdatrix
4) 1 tube of thread locker is like $8 or something.
03-15-2008, 02:47 PM
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1) I did it with my friends. The curve ball was underestimating how much the tranny weighted. I would have attached it better to the jack if I had known that it would have been that cumbersome
2) 8 hours the first time
3) Use impact tools and buy the flywheel stopper from mazdatrix
4) 1 tube of thread locker is like $8 or something.
2) 8 hours the first time
3) Use impact tools and buy the flywheel stopper from mazdatrix
4) 1 tube of thread locker is like $8 or something.
Cool Thx man. Last Friday & Saturday we got pounded with 20.6" of snow. I had to work on that Saturday. Ended up getting stuck in our Court a little. I was rocking my car back & forth using the clutch. When I'd change grears from either 1 or 2 then to rev, I made sure the brake & clutch pedal were fully depressed making sure not to grind any gears. However I think this took a toll on the clutch.
That's why I was wanting to know some of the info I asked because it feels like my clutch system has lost a little grab. Thought I'd replace the fly while torn apart. I'm sure this is nothing I'd want to do twice.
03-15-2008, 02:55 PM
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Of course, my opinion on what a "nice" flywheel/clutch combo is may seem biased. The truth is, the reason I now offer the one I do is because I believe it to be one of the finest units built and that's why I offer it.
One key thing to keep in mind is that flywheels actually deal with time and not power or torque. Another key is that flywheels are for people and not engines. These might seem like cryptic statements but they are not. Think about it a bit and get back to me.
One key thing to keep in mind is that flywheels actually deal with time and not power or torque. Another key is that flywheels are for people and not engines. These might seem like cryptic statements but they are not. Think about it a bit and get back to me.
Yep. For some odd reason I understand that. Since I probably won't be doing a lot of really rad mods just some tune ups here & there to gain hp, mpg, torque etc. No turbos though. I really enjoy the 8 is set up and looks. I'm really pleased. I won't be taking my 8 to the track or anything like that so I won't need anything beefy and difficult but if a 350 wants to duel again, the next time I'd like to not just win but toast the f er.
03-15-2008, 03:07 PM
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^ Yeah you did. that bad boy looked new huh?
I personally would go with the ACT stage 1 and the ACT pro lite. its a great steet setup. not to agressive but makes your car more "sporty". for a NA car there is no reason to go with a stronger clutch then the stage one. it would just be a pain to drive and no real benefit.
that bad boy looked new huh?I personally would go with the ACT stage 1 and the ACT pro lite. its a great steet setup. not to agressive but makes your car more "sporty". for a NA car there is no reason to go with a stronger clutch then the stage one. it would just be a pain to drive and no real benefit.
03-15-2008, 03:15 PM
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Thats cool. I have time. When I'm ready, I'll defininately check your company out before making any decisions. I've checked out some of your products and BHR is reasonably priced and I'm sure you guys have good products and stand by them. My clutch is still grabbing ok. It feels like all of a sudden after the 20.6" snowfall last weekend It's not grabbing like it was.
Would really like a flywheel that doesn't need a counterbalance. Preferrably somewhat most of the weight in the center instead of near the edges. Less parts to mess with and hopefully less cost as well.
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03-15-2008, 03:22 PM
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Thats cool. I have time. When I'm ready, I'll defininately check your company out before making any decisions. I've checked out some of your products and BHR is reasonably priced and I'm sure you guys have good products and stand by them. My clutch is still grabbing ok. It feels like all of a sudden after the 20.6" snowfall last weekend It's not grabbing like it was.
03-15-2008, 10:50 PM
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The benefit of fulcrum only change (use stock diaphragm spring) is that it is easy to do and the pedal pressure is stock, but the tradeoff is that for every % increase you get in clamp load, you lose in working range (affecting clutch life) and additional travel to operate. It is simple leverage principles.
The benefit of changing to a stronger spring is that the geometry isn't changed and clutch life is actually increased rather than decreased. The tradeoff is pedal effort.
You may not agree with the method, but don't pretend it is "simple". If we feel there is a good market for a simple, less expensive, less performance pressure plate, we are happy to go that route as well. We call it our "Sport" line and have introduced it to several applications. I haven't heard much interest from the RX8 world yet though. I will leave the friction material discussion alone for now.
Please understand, I am not trying to flame you Charles. We have had many great discussions before and I have a lot of respect for you and feel your active participation on the board has been very valuable to the readers. I also realize you are businessman. It is just that I would just love for you to come out to our plant and see what you are describing as "simple". If you every come out to Cali, look us up. I would be more than happy to give you a tour. Cheers!
03-15-2008, 11:01 PM
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LOL, That was fast! Do you live on your computer or something? I am only on here on a Sat night because my wife is out of town. Hey, what is the status of your pedal assembly mods? It sounds like it will be a great improvement. Keep me posted, OK? Once available, if I can steer some business your direction, I will do so.
03-15-2008, 11:15 PM
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I have actually been scarce, comparitively, these past few days because I am in Florida doing a Renesis rebuild with another forum member. Since I left Ford to do the aftermarket gig by starting BHR I need to spend all my time on the computer to try and pay my bills. Maybe soon.......
I am working on a possibly better solution than I had in mind previously for that clutch pedal improvement.
I'll tell ya one thing, Dirk; although my family has had a few businesses in my life and I know the stuff we have to go through to bring products to market, developing new and exciting ideas and technologies is no easy task. That's why I am so public about my exploits(aside from the PR angle, that is). I would like our customers to appreciate the efforts that companies with good reputations must exercise in order to develop and maintain those reps.
I am working on a possibly better solution than I had in mind previously for that clutch pedal improvement.
I'll tell ya one thing, Dirk; although my family has had a few businesses in my life and I know the stuff we have to go through to bring products to market, developing new and exciting ideas and technologies is no easy task. That's why I am so public about my exploits(aside from the PR angle, that is). I would like our customers to appreciate the efforts that companies with good reputations must exercise in order to develop and maintain those reps.
03-17-2008, 05:56 PM
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wow... some good information. i was worried i would lose top end rev being a lighter flywheel, but i guess you guys are happy about it. im going to look into ordering one. now i have 15,000 miles on my car about 13,000 of that is on highway. should i get a clutch to? or just get the flywheel and be done... ACT PRO LITE? any other you guys would prefer?
04-09-2008, 07:51 AM
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People who had install an aftermarket flywheel.
I want to ask you please what is the possitive and the negative to install an aftermarket flywheel on my car? i should install and an aftermarket clucth?
IS it value for money? there is any extra horsepower? it makes my car more flexuosity? thnk you alot!!!!
I want to ask you please what is the possitive and the negative to install an aftermarket flywheel on my car? i should install and an aftermarket clucth?
IS it value for money? there is any extra horsepower? it makes my car more flexuosity? thnk you alot!!!!
04-09-2008, 09:24 AM
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People who had install an aftermarket flywheel.
I want to ask you please what is the possitive and the negative to install an aftermarket flywheel on my car? i should install and an aftermarket clucth?
IS it value for money? there is any extra horsepower? it makes my car more flexuosity? thnk you alot!!!!
I want to ask you please what is the possitive and the negative to install an aftermarket flywheel on my car? i should install and an aftermarket clucth?
IS it value for money? there is any extra horsepower? it makes my car more flexuosity? thnk you alot!!!!
04-11-2008, 02:05 AM
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Charles, I am very interested in seeing how your clutch and flywheel setups work. And if they perform as well as you are saying... well you get the idea
I jumped over to your "Major Product Release" page and didn't see any info for the weight of your "new flywheel is priced at 370"
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I have had my 8 for about 2 weeks now and it has around 12k in miles. Would it really be worth doing the clutch assy when I do the flywheel? I don't plan on doing any drag or autocross. I want to get more out of the buttdyno but not lighten my wallet that much.
I jumped over to your "Major Product Release" page and didn't see any info for the weight of your "new flywheel is priced at 370"
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I have had my 8 for about 2 weeks now and it has around 12k in miles. Would it really be worth doing the clutch assy when I do the flywheel? I don't plan on doing any drag or autocross. I want to get more out of the buttdyno but not lighten my wallet that much.
04-11-2008, 04:34 AM
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Perfect! Thanks Charles!
As a side question - Out of all the mods you guys have done.... where does the lighter flywheel mod rank compared to the others? Is this one of the first things you would have done if you had your car back to completely stock?
As a side question - Out of all the mods you guys have done.... where does the lighter flywheel mod rank compared to the others? Is this one of the first things you would have done if you had your car back to completely stock?
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forgve me because my english are not so good so its difficult for me to study the whole thread. i would like to know what are the possitive and negatives of changing my flywheel any horsepower? is a modofication that i would see differece? betrter acceleration? thnx a lot!!!
06-02-2008, 05:40 PM
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^^^ what he said.
I know it sucks because for the RX-8 there is no exact answer. there is no doubt that it makes an improvement. but weather or not that small improvement is worth the money or the labor..... well, that’s up to you.
I can tell you from my personal experience, that it does not do much at all. is it worth getting a lighter flywheel if you are already doing a clutch... yes. is it worth it to remove the tranny for the sol purpose of changing the flywheel on a daily street driven RX-8.... well thats up to you. just dont expect it to make a HUGE difference, because its not THAT much help on the RX-8.
I know it sucks because for the RX-8 there is no exact answer. there is no doubt that it makes an improvement. but weather or not that small improvement is worth the money or the labor..... well, that’s up to you.
I can tell you from my personal experience, that it does not do much at all. is it worth getting a lighter flywheel if you are already doing a clutch... yes. is it worth it to remove the tranny for the sol purpose of changing the flywheel on a daily street driven RX-8.... well thats up to you. just dont expect it to make a HUGE difference, because its not THAT much help on the RX-8.
06-05-2008, 06:18 PM
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Charlies as you know I just ordered a stage 2 set up with you but I'm interestend in your last post? mine failed for no reason at about 48K! I know how much i beat on it and i was very suprised! This reinforcement has to be done, even after I install your kit?