Ophitoxaemia

>I find it hard to believe someone with ANY kind of Auto-X skill
>couldn't outrun the RX8 in an Evo8. Hell if you could just find 2
>straights it wouldn't matter what you do in a turn.

evo is AWD, which is never going to beat a good RWD car in autox.

bring your evo to any SFR-SCCA autox event, and ill put down money on beating every evo there (prep and tires being comparable).

james

Ike

The problem is those aren't very good WRX launches and times, and comparing a bunch of numbers like that without knowing temperature/humidity doesn't really make an effective point. I see what you're getting at though, and the launch on an AWD car or low torque car really does make or break the run. While cars such as the 350Z where there is a lot of torque there is much more room for error.

I agree with your last statement, and I think the mid 14 runs will be few and far between. You're not going to see many people getting 1.9 60' with the RX-8 and I still believe Judge Ito was helped in those runs by the race gas. I think he would agree, why else would he chose to use the race gas.

Ike

Chuck Clifford

NO RX8-TX, the statement was not made WHP versus trap speed. Here is what blu350z said.

"The think you need to know is traps vs 1/4 ET. 90-93mph traps are not going to get you much better then low 15's, at least consistantly."

Then O.R.A showed past results completely disproving this supposed (according to blu350z) fact.

Blu350z always says, I just give you the facts, and you call me a troll.

Sneakyracer

HE shoulnd have used the word always. In AWD cars or RWD cars with a good 60ft time in the 1.8-2.1 sec range you will get 14.4-14.7 sec 1/4 mile time with a 91-94mph trap speed. I have seen a 13.9 with a 95mph trap speed in a wrx. On my jetta i got a best of 14.90 at 92.9 mph with a 2.19 60ft.

It seems the RX8 is very capable of getting very good 60 ft times. But that is only good for standing starts. On the highway, good launches are taken out of the equation. Power takes over. And MPH in the 1/4 is the clasic tale tale of power (with good shifting ability of course)

Regardless of how fast/slow the rx8 is I think its a nice alternative to the G35 coupe (both seat 4 persons). Even if the RX8 is slower its MUCH more distinctive and unique. I got to closely examine and sit in a gorgeous silver ext. black int. RX8 this weekend and really liked the comfort of the seats in front, the controls and the space inside. And im 6-3. The interior is much much nicer than the one in a 350z.

I compared them side by side since the two cars were at my friends performance shop. Next to them was an M3 and an EVO. The EVO is pure function and utilitarian. Its meant to go fast, stop fast and handle great. It has boy racer looks and econo interior. Similar to a subaru (EVO exterior is nicer than the wrx imho).

The M3 well what can i say, its expensive.

So if i was between the RX8 and the 350z i would take the RX8 for daily use no doubt. Both at the same price. If I wanted a car for racing mostly well the 350z is better for that purpose. It is faster. But the RX8 looks a lot better inside. Is more comfy and more practical but it is slower. WIth a well rounded package like the one in the rx8 maybe slow or not so fast isnt such a bad thing as long as one recognizes its limitations.

turbo8765

350z go seems to know what he's saying in general, but you cannot provide a rule of thumb for correlating changes in 60' times to either ET or trap speed. (also, you said that evo's and STi average 1.8-1.9, how did you obtain data to produce such an average. This sounds high to me. My lightly modded awd talon runs consistent 1.7's on extremely poor tires, with a best of 1.61).

If you read books by those who have truly been in the buisness for a long time, and are very experienced, they will never quote a number such as you did, becuase it can't be done. I definitely see more of a benefit in my et than .11-.12 for every tenth decrease in 60' time. There are far to many variables from one car to another to make this generalization. Furthermore, I'm suprised that you see only .11 gain for a .1 decrease in a 350z's 60'. Thinking in terms of kinematics, whatever additional speed enables you to reach the 60' mark .1 seconds quicker, you are traveling that additional speed (although rather small) for the entire length of the track. Anyway...

The bottom line is, you can't make such a generaliztion for all cars.

turbo8765

BTW

I happen to think both the mazdaspeed protege and the RX8 are pretty sweet. I can't believe people get caught up in piston vs rotor... zoom zoom

Turbo Matty P

Just a heads up 8 owners.....the MSP guys are dipping into the 13's right now with the stock turbos. Look out!