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10-21-2003, 03:31 PM
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No blue. Your baiting a very small group with trollish crap and making an *** of yourself to the other few thousand members.
Keep it up. I am glad your so easy to amuse. Must be nice being that simple.
Keep it up. I am glad your so easy to amuse. Must be nice being that simple.
10-21-2003, 04:14 PM
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there have been posts on here showing mid 14 quarter mile times. Why such a huge desire to bash?
I feel sorry for you if you have nothing better to do than post on a forum where you don't own the car, and apparently have no interest in. I imagine though if you keep it up it won't last for long.
Look on the Tech forum I think??
Member showed runs of 14.1-14.6? I think I am close
best 0-60 was 6.01?
He posted his graphs
Goodbye poor soul
I feel sorry for you if you have nothing better to do than post on a forum where you don't own the car, and apparently have no interest in. I imagine though if you keep it up it won't last for long.
Look on the Tech forum I think??
Member showed runs of 14.1-14.6? I think I am close
best 0-60 was 6.01?
He posted his graphs
Goodbye poor soul
10-21-2003, 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by Broker73
there have been posts on here showing mid 14 quarter mile times. Why such a huge desire to bash?
I feel sorry for you if you have nothing better to do than post on a forum where you don't own the car, and apparently have no interest in. I imagine though if you keep it up it won't last for long.
Look on the Tech forum I think??
Member showed runs of 14.1-14.6? I think I am close
best 0-60 was 6.01?
He posted his graphs
Goodbye poor soul
there have been posts on here showing mid 14 quarter mile times. Why such a huge desire to bash?
I feel sorry for you if you have nothing better to do than post on a forum where you don't own the car, and apparently have no interest in. I imagine though if you keep it up it won't last for long.
Look on the Tech forum I think??
Member showed runs of 14.1-14.6? I think I am close
best 0-60 was 6.01?
He posted his graphs
Goodbye poor soul
10-21-2003, 05:26 PM
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My intention was not to bash the RX-8 in any way. I am a HUGE Mazda fan and have owned and currently own nothing but Mazdas. My 30 minutes or so in the eight were absolutely amazing. I don't own the car, but I have followed it since it's RX Evolve concept days and feel somewhat connected to it. Nobody brings emotion to a car like Mazda.
However, this is the Racing forum, and from all the posts and articles I have read across the internet, the RX-8 would lose without question to an SRT-4 in the 1/4 mile with equal matched drivers. It's unfortunate but a straight up fact that a sub 20k Neon is faster in a straight line than Mazda's flagship.
Autocross of course is a different story.
However, this is the Racing forum, and from all the posts and articles I have read across the internet, the RX-8 would lose without question to an SRT-4 in the 1/4 mile with equal matched drivers. It's unfortunate but a straight up fact that a sub 20k Neon is faster in a straight line than Mazda's flagship.
Autocross of course is a different story.
10-21-2003, 05:31 PM
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So what an SRT would lose to a corvette which would lose to a viper. Theres always faster cars. What about all the cars an 8 can beat? Audi TT, S2K, Z4 (except M series), 325 and maybe 330.
10-21-2003, 06:45 PM
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yes, the lastest car and driver had the Neon from 0-60 in 5.6sec, and the 1/4mile in 14.2
RX8 0-60 in 5.9, and 1/4mile in mid 14's
so ok, has the edge there, but those numbers for the neon are the same as the 350Z almost to a tee. Maybe I should go the a 350Z forum and bug them about how the 20K Neon has the same numbers. HAHA
And I think the 350 is a few thousand more than the 8? :p
What is funny is how the car mag times for the 350, S2K or whatever, are talked about so frequently, yet the same people won't accept the 8 does 0-60 in about 6sec, and the 1/4 in mid 14's. I don't care what a few posts say about 15+ sec runs. Do you think every Joe Blow runs a 350 in low 14's??
All great cars, but come on guys.
RX8 0-60 in 5.9, and 1/4mile in mid 14's
so ok, has the edge there, but those numbers for the neon are the same as the 350Z almost to a tee. Maybe I should go the a 350Z forum and bug them about how the 20K Neon has the same numbers. HAHA
And I think the 350 is a few thousand more than the 8? :p
What is funny is how the car mag times for the 350, S2K or whatever, are talked about so frequently, yet the same people won't accept the 8 does 0-60 in about 6sec, and the 1/4 in mid 14's. I don't care what a few posts say about 15+ sec runs. Do you think every Joe Blow runs a 350 in low 14's??
All great cars, but come on guys.
10-21-2003, 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by RussellP
lets see how a neon hangs on the twisties and lets see how many chicks one can pick up in a neon.
lets see how a neon hangs on the twisties and lets see how many chicks one can pick up in a neon.
10-21-2003, 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by jdwk
My intention was not to bash the RX-8 in any way. I am a HUGE Mazda fan and have owned and currently own nothing but Mazdas. My 30 minutes or so in the eight were absolutely amazing. I don't own the car, but I have followed it since it's RX Evolve concept days and feel somewhat connected to it. Nobody brings emotion to a car like Mazda.
However, this is the Racing forum, and from all the posts and articles I have read across the internet, the RX-8 would lose without question to an SRT-4 in the 1/4 mile with equal matched drivers. It's unfortunate but a straight up fact that a sub 20k Neon is faster in a straight line than Mazda's flagship.
Autocross of course is a different story.
My intention was not to bash the RX-8 in any way. I am a HUGE Mazda fan and have owned and currently own nothing but Mazdas. My 30 minutes or so in the eight were absolutely amazing. I don't own the car, but I have followed it since it's RX Evolve concept days and feel somewhat connected to it. Nobody brings emotion to a car like Mazda.
However, this is the Racing forum, and from all the posts and articles I have read across the internet, the RX-8 would lose without question to an SRT-4 in the 1/4 mile with equal matched drivers. It's unfortunate but a straight up fact that a sub 20k Neon is faster in a straight line than Mazda's flagship.
Autocross of course is a different story.
A K car (thanks Ike) is (can be made) fast. NEON SRT4 can be fast like heck, the Subi & Mitsu variants are out of discussion & Nissan 350Z is fast. So what?? a f'g TANK runs to 80mph pretty darn quick...
Stop this stupid argument. Does anyone have any doubt the 8 can attain Mag. numbers in stock form? It will not improve over them (without tuning) SO WHAT!
Cut the crap. Congratulate Jude Ito for punishing his 8 (you gotta have gutts!) and GO TAKE A HIKE (whoever feels like it)
Whats the point in discussing something with this guy?? replying?? for what?? hes just having fun with all of you. Leave him (and others) alone, and they'll either go away or civilize themselves.
I'll respond if I'm not out hiking :p
10-22-2003, 03:13 PM
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Road and Track has the car listed at 14.5 in the 1/4 at 350ft, 69 deg, and 50% humidity.
Environmental factors do play a role. However, most of the time, owners are able to achieve faster than R&T times because of break in and ample experience with tthe car. In some cases much faster. I think R&T has the Z06 at 13.0 and there are guys (Z06vette.com) with timeslips under 12 bone stock.
I am happy that Judge Ito was able to get the claimed 14.5, although unhappy that he did it on high octane. Regardless of whether it made the car faster or slower, R&T did there run on pump gas.
It's just a simple matter of more guys getting their eights to the track. The more timeslips we see, the better judgement can be made as to it's true potential.
Although I will get reemed for this, I think the whole ECU remapping theory is true. I think that is why Road and Track had no problem with a 14.5 and observed 19mpg (R&T usually gets under the city driving rating). Their car was pre-production.
Environmental factors do play a role. However, most of the time, owners are able to achieve faster than R&T times because of break in and ample experience with tthe car. In some cases much faster. I think R&T has the Z06 at 13.0 and there are guys (Z06vette.com) with timeslips under 12 bone stock.
I am happy that Judge Ito was able to get the claimed 14.5, although unhappy that he did it on high octane. Regardless of whether it made the car faster or slower, R&T did there run on pump gas.
It's just a simple matter of more guys getting their eights to the track. The more timeslips we see, the better judgement can be made as to it's true potential.
Although I will get reemed for this, I think the whole ECU remapping theory is true. I think that is why Road and Track had no problem with a 14.5 and observed 19mpg (R&T usually gets under the city driving rating). Their car was pre-production.
10-23-2003, 11:10 AM
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Well...so much for the RX8 being a mid 14 sec car.
I was at Moroso last night and there was a RX-8 there. A girl was driving it and her husband had a badass low 12 sec RX-7. She couldn't break out of the 16s...16.7, 16.5, etc. Well her and her husband switch cars..he nets a 15.7, 15.5...weak. She drove the RX-7 to a 12.7, not too shabby.
I asked her how she liked the car, said she loved it and that it handled amazing, but definately wasn't as fast as Mazda claimed. She said she likes her 3 other RX-7s much more. She did have some nice looking wheels on it though.
So, the RX-8 definately isnt a mid 14sec car...maybe of you use a GTech it is..but in the real world the only way to get a 14sec pass is to beat the hell out of it and run race gas...sounds like a load of fun.....not.:p
I was at Moroso last night and there was a RX-8 there. A girl was driving it and her husband had a badass low 12 sec RX-7. She couldn't break out of the 16s...16.7, 16.5, etc. Well her and her husband switch cars..he nets a 15.7, 15.5...weak. She drove the RX-7 to a 12.7, not too shabby.
I asked her how she liked the car, said she loved it and that it handled amazing, but definately wasn't as fast as Mazda claimed. She said she likes her 3 other RX-7s much more. She did have some nice looking wheels on it though.
So, the RX-8 definately isnt a mid 14sec car...maybe of you use a GTech it is..but in the real world the only way to get a 14sec pass is to beat the hell out of it and run race gas...sounds like a load of fun.....not.:p
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10-23-2003, 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by Chuck Clifford
Yep, 19PSI, your post proves it. Not.
Yep, 19PSI, your post proves it. Not.
10-23-2003, 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by RX8-TX
I respect your opinion...now, respect mine: ********. :p
I respect your opinion...now, respect mine: ********. :p
10-23-2003, 02:02 PM
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Okay 19PSI, here my take on your little track story. You have friends with an 11 second badass RX-7 that they consistently run low to high 12s in. They now have a mid 14 RX-8 that they now run 15's and 16's in. Whats your point.
There has already been a first time 1/4 miler in an RX-8 run 15.2 with many admitted mistakes, on pump gas, who is already a half a second better than your RX-7 friend, who appears to be wasting a lot of time and money at the drag strip.
Strip times are as much a part of the technique and driver as autox is. I'm seeing RX-8's beat experienced evo's, WRX's, and Z06's on their first time running their 8 at an autox. Its all very ambiguous and relative to nothing but that day and time.
You have no proof except a story of a man running an RX-8 very slow, and his wife running it even slower.
There has already been a first time 1/4 miler in an RX-8 run 15.2 with many admitted mistakes, on pump gas, who is already a half a second better than your RX-7 friend, who appears to be wasting a lot of time and money at the drag strip.
Strip times are as much a part of the technique and driver as autox is. I'm seeing RX-8's beat experienced evo's, WRX's, and Z06's on their first time running their 8 at an autox. Its all very ambiguous and relative to nothing but that day and time.
You have no proof except a story of a man running an RX-8 very slow, and his wife running it even slower.
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10-23-2003, 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by 19psi_GTI
I have no problem respecting someones opinion...what i dont respect is people spouting off their opinion as if it is a fact. Ie: the RSX-S comment.:p
I have no problem respecting someones opinion...what i dont respect is people spouting off their opinion as if it is a fact. Ie: the RSX-S comment.:p
If you have difficulties with someONE making a comment, direct you comment to that person, don't mess around with the car (I don't appreciate it, and many more do not as well)
If you have any first hand experience, then feel free to comment about it.
10-23-2003, 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by 19psi_GTI
My post might not prove it, but the TRAP TIMES do. Show me one RX-8 that is trapping anywhere near 97+mph...which is what a mid 14sec car trap at...Go ahead, prove me wrong...and dont show me someones Gtech time or a time running race gas, lol.
My post might not prove it, but the TRAP TIMES do. Show me one RX-8 that is trapping anywhere near 97+mph...which is what a mid 14sec car trap at...Go ahead, prove me wrong...and dont show me someones Gtech time or a time running race gas, lol.
Look at all these 1/4 mile times. Only 2 of these times are from an RX-8, but as you can see, whichever they are do not stand out abnormally from the rest. Seems like a lot of examples of runs that don't conform to your rule. They all also have in common that they have great traction (all are on street tires too).
The fastest trap speed on the list is a 95.92 and the ET for that one is a 14.33
14.521@92.83 1.978 60ft
14.533@93.99 1.971 60ft
14.568@91.316 1.989 60ft
14.679@91.52 1.958 60ft
14.49@96 1.965 60ft
14.57@94.07 2.17 60ft
14.66@93.33 1.98 60ft
14.408@92.99 2.019 60ft
14.48@91.12 2.03 60ft
14.492@93.60 2.016 60ft
14.75@91.49 2.045 60ft
14.802@92.51 2.199 60ft
14.840@90.26 2.107 60ft
14.492@93.60 2.016 60ft
14.379@94.07 1.998 60ft
14.334@95.92 2.041 60ft
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Originally posted by Chuck Clifford
Okay 19PSI, here my take on your little track story. You have friends with an 11 second badass RX-7 that they consistently run low to high 12s in. They now have a mid 14 RX-8 that they now run 15's and 16's in. Whats your point.
There has already been a first time 1/4 miler in an RX-8 run 15.2 with many admitted mistakes, on pump gas, who is already a half a second better than your RX-7 friend, who appears to be wasting a lot of time and money at the drag strip.
Strip times are as much a part of the technique and driver as autox is. I'm seeing RX-8's beat experienced evo's, WRX's, and Z06's on their first time running their 8 at an autox. Its all very ambiguous and relative to nothing but that day and time.
You have no proof except a story of a man running an RX-8 very slow, and his wife running it even slower.
Okay 19PSI, here my take on your little track story. You have friends with an 11 second badass RX-7 that they consistently run low to high 12s in. They now have a mid 14 RX-8 that they now run 15's and 16's in. Whats your point.
There has already been a first time 1/4 miler in an RX-8 run 15.2 with many admitted mistakes, on pump gas, who is already a half a second better than your RX-7 friend, who appears to be wasting a lot of time and money at the drag strip.
Strip times are as much a part of the technique and driver as autox is. I'm seeing RX-8's beat experienced evo's, WRX's, and Z06's on their first time running their 8 at an autox. Its all very ambiguous and relative to nothing but that day and time.
You have no proof except a story of a man running an RX-8 very slow, and his wife running it even slower.
The EVO has done very well so far as indicated by the following example:
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...ight=autocross
10-23-2003, 03:39 PM
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Read what you quoted:
"Strip times are as much a part of the technique and driver as autox is. I'm seeing RX-8's beat experienced evo's, WRX's, and Z06's on their first time running their 8 at an autox. Its all very ambiguous and relative to nothing but that day and time."
As much a part of the technique and driver...
...It's all very ambiguous and relative to nothing but that day and time."
It's pretty obvious that he is not saying that one car is better than the other at anything. He is saying that a car can perform better than another one at any given moment due to variables like the driver.
By the way, your link doesn't do anything to disprove that the RX-8 might be a better autocross car than the EVO.
"Strip times are as much a part of the technique and driver as autox is. I'm seeing RX-8's beat experienced evo's, WRX's, and Z06's on their first time running their 8 at an autox. Its all very ambiguous and relative to nothing but that day and time."
As much a part of the technique and driver...
...It's all very ambiguous and relative to nothing but that day and time."
It's pretty obvious that he is not saying that one car is better than the other at anything. He is saying that a car can perform better than another one at any given moment due to variables like the driver.
By the way, your link doesn't do anything to disprove that the RX-8 might be a better autocross car than the EVO.
10-23-2003, 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by O.R.A.
Read what you quoted:
"Strip times are as much a part of the technique and driver as autox is. I'm seeing RX-8's beat experienced evo's, WRX's, and Z06's on their first time running their 8 at an autox. Its all very ambiguous and relative to nothing but that day and time."
As much a part of the technique and driver...
...It's all very ambiguous and relative to nothing but that day and time."
It's pretty obvious that he is not saying that one car is better than the other at anything. He is saying that a car can perform better than another one at any given moment due to variables like the driver.
By the way, your link doesn't do anything to disprove that the RX-8 might be a better autocross car than the EVO.
Read what you quoted:
"Strip times are as much a part of the technique and driver as autox is. I'm seeing RX-8's beat experienced evo's, WRX's, and Z06's on their first time running their 8 at an autox. Its all very ambiguous and relative to nothing but that day and time."
As much a part of the technique and driver...
...It's all very ambiguous and relative to nothing but that day and time."
It's pretty obvious that he is not saying that one car is better than the other at anything. He is saying that a car can perform better than another one at any given moment due to variables like the driver.
By the way, your link doesn't do anything to disprove that the RX-8 might be a better autocross car than the EVO.
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...ght=solo+class
Isn't the EVO in a higher class?
10-23-2003, 04:02 PM
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Were there any RX-8 competing in Street Prepared?
I'm not saying that the EVO is or isn't a good autocross car or that it is better or not than the RX-8. I'm just saying that what he said is that a good driver makes much more of a difference, and I also say that there is no proof either way...yet.
SCCA initial classing is based on their perception based on the specs of the car. The EVO *should* be better "all else being equal".
I'm not saying that the EVO is or isn't a good autocross car or that it is better or not than the RX-8. I'm just saying that what he said is that a good driver makes much more of a difference, and I also say that there is no proof either way...yet.
SCCA initial classing is based on their perception based on the specs of the car. The EVO *should* be better "all else being equal".
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The RX-8 who's autox results are posted on this forum, beat all cars in all stock classes on one day. And all but one on a second day. There was a very large field of cars. That was my point. 1/4 mile, like autox is very ambiguous at best. I can post just as many slow Evo autox results as you can post fast. Does that mean the fast evo times are freak cars, and the slows times are lemons? No, it means some people couldn't get an airplane off the ground, others could.
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Originally posted by O.R.A.
Were there any RX-8 competing in Street Prepared?
I'm not saying that the EVO is or isn't a good autocross car or that it is better or not than the RX-8. I'm just saying that what he said is that a good driver makes much more of a difference, and I also say that there is no proof either way...yet.
SCCA initial classing is based on their perception based on the specs of the car. The EVO *should* be better "all else being equal".
Were there any RX-8 competing in Street Prepared?
I'm not saying that the EVO is or isn't a good autocross car or that it is better or not than the RX-8. I'm just saying that what he said is that a good driver makes much more of a difference, and I also say that there is no proof either way...yet.
SCCA initial classing is based on their perception based on the specs of the car. The EVO *should* be better "all else being equal".
I totally agree with you on the driver ability part.