zoom44

not one flash adressed this issue previously- the S flash was not the fix for this issue like we on this forum believed. we were wrong- we sometimes are. the warranty extension is a "piece of mind" "good will" gesture that has no relation to the techs belief they have this isssue resolved. its just PR

mark205

Yep ... that's what this is all about isn't it? Low power, stalling, flooded twice ..yada, yada, yada.

mark205

Yep ... it is painfully obvious none of the previous flashes addressed it. As for "piece of mind" ...I gave them a "piece" of mine already. As for good will and PR ... nothing placates like a well solved engineering problem.

Nubo

A couple of items are missing on these official documents, compared to the news as reported by various automotive publications last week.

- no mention of battery or starter testing or replacement
- no mention or recommendations against synthetic oil (let the debates continue! )

And, the assertion that cat failures are due to "an oil leak" seem questionable as well.

Don't believe everything you read. (Unless it's from Zoom)

swoope

iTrader: (5)

the s flash addressed the problem, but on some cars the damage was done... the damage can not be undone by a flash.

as premixing covers the problem for me. but does not fix it.

beers

olddragger

iTrader: (3)

By the way Zoom---THANK YOU! After all this i have failed to mention that to you. Good job handling all this stuff.

I wonder what the fix is? More oil injected? Better AF's? Probably not timing. Probably no more power either.I wonder if it will turn the fans on sooner? I guess we will see soon enough.
olddragger

zojas

so how long is the normal factory warranty anyway? 4 years, 50,000 miles?

mine won't need a new engine (no symptoms). I live in phoenix, commute 26 miles each way in rush hour traffic (although usually I'm able to maintain at least 30mph, with only short dips below that), and have seen my ambient temperature hit 120 before, and routinely in the 110--119 range this summer. I have about 45,000 miles (it's a 2004). I've made sure to hit redline several times this week to make sure my engine is still good.

I shouldn't even need new plugs: I replaced all 4 myself 4 months ago. (the repair procedure explicitly mentions 12 months for the plugs)

so I should expect to take it in, have them not test drive it, but check the cat (via computer), re-flash the pcm, wash it, fill it up with gas, and provide me with a loaner car for the day (best case cx-7, but at least some sort of rental car). sound right?

not bad.

Shaida

First of all, thank you for all the responses. I have decided to go for it and buy it anyway!! My next question is, does anyone know what the incentives are for September? They currently have a $2,000 rebate til August 31st. I'll just kick myself if I go out and buy it in the next day or two and then they come up with something better.

SethSpeed

LOL...that is because as part of the recall they need to run the engine for a while before they do the vacuum check. I talked to my service manager ealier this week while I was there for an oil change. Everything is going to be fine folks. This needs to be addressed, tests done, and ECUs flashed, but all is well.

Have a great weekend.

jeffe19007

Swoope,

When I do go in for this test, should I do it without premix? If premix disguses the symptoms...

I know I am jumping the gun here, but I keep turning this problem over in my mind.

swoope

iTrader: (5)

YES!!!!!!

if you have had the problems you wll have to go back to normal... to reproduce them...... i have stopped premixing, have run a half a tank so far...

i figure it will take at least a tank to get it all out of the system...

the advantage i have is i have driven with the tech and made it happen... but i want to have it back to normal if they test further..

beers

mysql101

So now we know exactly what Mazda will be looking for when looking for symptoms. Is it valid to say that the CAUSE of the issue is the lack of oil being injected to the engine - and is typically seen during highway driving? We also know climate plays a role in this too....

I don't have any current issues, just curious since I never did any highway driving in my rx-8 for more than 10 - 20 minutes till I had to drive to west palm beach - and at that point I had S flash.

swoope

iTrader: (5)

yes this is correct, but it is a bit more complicated that that.

beers

mysql101

Right - but I'm trying to judge the amount of exposure my car has had to this issue.

The only complaint I have about the car at this point is that 4th feels a bit notchy at higher rpms.

swoope

iTrader: (5)

how many miles and what year?

beers

RX8PDX

Well, when I bought my '04 in '05, I got $8000 off :D

mysql101

swoop,

33,000 miles.

2004, built in Dec 2003.

Two diff and transmission fluid changes in that time, oil change every 3,000 miles on the dot.

All miles were city, with one or two trips where I had 20 mins or so on highway, but I am always jetting in and out of the lanes, so rpms were constantly changing.

AC is usually off.

swoope

iTrader: (5)

you are in the zone, but it is a highway cruising thing... my guess is if you had the problem you would have felt it by now..

but testing it would not hurt.

beers

MazdaManiac

iTrader: (3)

I'll state it again for those that might have missed it -
You can be WAY down on compression and the car will start and run fine.
You can be exhibiting idle vacuum as low as 30 kPa and still think the performance is OK.

I think it will be suprising to some that their car is "damaged" when it seems OK.
It will also be equally suprising to some that their engines are "OK" yet feel like crap.

swoope

iTrader: (5)

that really does sum it up....

beers

LionZoo

So using fully synthetic oil helps cause the marbles in a can sound because of deposits? If so, how do you explain that raptor runs Castrol GTX, seems to exercise his engine fairly hard, yet still gets the sound? Or how about Mike, who uses only Mazda oil in his RX-8 and yet still gets the sound? Finally, what about the brand new 2006 GT that Browning Mazda let me drive that had the same sound. I'm quite sure that engine wasn't running synthetic. Does the rotors come from the factory with a coat of carbon already on them?

mysql101

Looking at: https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...chmentid=84051

It looks like if you don't complain about lack of power, they will:

1. check cat
2. maybe replace leading spark plugs
3. reflash PCM.

So by your logic, Mazda would be ignoring any cars that have the issue when the owner doesn't complain about the lack of power.

RX8PDX

Just like to say too, after blowing of the steam from this and the video issue........

I still love this car. And I really hope I dont have to deal with any severe issues like some have.

I think thats the worst.... reading some of the issues people have had, and then thinking that I may have to go through the same thing.....

RotoRocket

iTrader: (1)

C'mon Mazda. Step up to the plate and extend the motor warranty to 100,000 miles.

That gesture would be the best thing in terms of customer satisfaction and goodwill.

It would pay Mazda back 10x dividends.

Design1stCode2nd

My 3 week old 06 has the "Marbles in a can" issue, and that is with only 1,300 miles on it. The MIAC issue doesn't seem to have anything to do with oil used. At least IMO.

I'll give it a while and see if I have to go in for the recall. If I do I'll have them look at the MIAC issue and if not I'll just take it when I get a chance.